The New Atheist Crusaders and their quest for the Unholy Grail
Offline Hey all. It's been a while since I've been on. I appologise, I've been busy.
The title of this forum is the title of a book I just finished reading. It's a catchy title, so I figured it'd be a good way to grab someone's attention on here. The book is written by Becky Garrison.
If her name doesn't sound familiar, that's fine, it shouldn't. So why am I wasting your time telling you about this book? Well, I'm glad you asked. This is a book written by a True Christian. HUH? For all of you who have discussed with me in the past, you understand what I'm talking about and for those of you who haven't you can research my blogs. Caposkia is my name.
Anyway, It's written from the viewpoint of how a true Christian feels about of course the atheists in the world today, but more importantly for you, how she feels about Christians in the world.
This is for all of you arguing with me about how Christians have to be black and white. How you have to follow a religion and there's nothing outside of religion etc. She touches on all of this. I truly think you'll enjoy reading this book and I would like to hear from those of you who have read it if anyone. If not, I"ll wait till someone finishes it. It's not a very long book.
When I first came onto this site, I wanted to discuss directly with those who were involved in the infamous television debate that RRS was involved in about the existence of God with Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron. They didn't have time and the other non-believers I came across were too opinionated to involve themselves in a conversation that made any progress. Instead I got into other debates which for the most part were a lot of fun, but I digress.
Becky mentions this debate as well in her book at the end. This is for all of you on here I've talked to who would not believe me or had other personal issues with the fact that my opinion didn't flow with their idea of a Christian. I will breifly say that I hold her viewpoint when she says that if she was at that debate, she would have "crawled out of that church in shame. "
Simply put, we both agree that both sides put forth deplorable excuses for their side and did not defend their side succesfully. I know I know, many of you will disagree and say that RRS did disprove the existance of God in that debate, but enough with the opinions, I'm saying the other side did just as good of a job proving God. This debate is a poor excuse to not follow Christ and this book talks about those types of Christians.
This book should clarify many misunderstandings of how True Christians are and I hope bring light to a new understanding of our following.
It is written differently than most books, but is an informational peice and uses a lot of researched information. It does focus on the "New Atheists" and is not a book preaching to the masses. As said, it is from the point of view of a True Christian.
enjoy, let me know your thoughts. I would also request, please be respectful in your responses. I'm here to have mature discussions with people.
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Offline Quote:Again, source please..... if you say the Bible then I think you need to reread it.You already have the source. The bible is your comic book, not mine.
I'll just leave my previous quote in this post...
I have read it, you have read it too. The only difference is that I accept it as the comic book it is and you don't.
regardless of whether you think it's a comic book or not, right now you're telling me that tofu is Superman's weakness. I think you missed a few key aspects of the story
The head character "God" is a non material thinking entity despite the scientific fact that we know that thinking only happens in the context of biological evolution.
STRIKE ONE
You can prove that? despite the proof of signalless communication? Yes, there are lab tests, look it up. As far as you know the only way we can detect thought is thorough a biological process... this in no way proves that thought requires biology. It's like me telling you that your favorite radio station is actually just built into every radio and not actually picked up by waves in the air. You'd have no means of proving to me that these waves exist except by the means of an instrument that can pick those waves up and turn them into something I can physically experience.
Bowled a strike
And that is even before you get to page one.
Genesis is the mother load of bullshit, by itself. Adult women popping out of a man's rib. The sun and moon being created more than once and on top of that being treated as separate sources of light.
STRIKE TWO
What's the Hebrew word used in Genesis for "popping"? My Bible doesn't have that and I need to cross reference.
As far as the author was concerned, they were 2 separate sources of light... lemme give you any peice of information that's beyond your comprehension... and let's pretend for a moment you'd actually consider it important enough to write down, you're going to write it in a way that you can explain it and not the literal understanding of it. Same applies here.
Bowled 2 in a row, going for Turkey!
The only back peddle you have is metaphor "words don't mean what they mean", forgetting or willfully ignoring when that comic book was written by scientifically inept people.
STRIKE THREE,
Words don't mean what they mean? who said that... I'm telling you the English translation of the Hebrew words may not be the same, which loses contextual value at times depending...
In other words, for your second part.... the only way the bible can be fact is if it was written by scientifically inept people? Inept to what extent btw? To 20th/21 century standards? Who's living a fantasy world now?
TURKEY! brhm... that was a bowling reference... not actually calling you turkey... well... then again....
Then you try to use the claptrap of "metaphysics" as if it can be taught along side entropy and mitosis when you know damned well it is no where close.
so... only consider a narrow aspect of science to be fact... got it. Why discover truth... belief in your own understanding of life is much easier... I get it.
And then you ignore that if another claimant of another pet god used the same arguments you are trying to make here, you would RIGHTFULLY reject their pet god.
LIGHTS OUT! GAME OVER!
I love how you seem to think these are such slam dunk arguements... as if they first of all are congruent with everything I said (which they're not) or actually hold up if researched... nice try... play again?
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is unworkable as no one can hit God's mark. Now if you looked at sin as "willfully breaking the known laws of God", the answer is more obvious. I wouldn't rob the bank because I wouldn't break the known laws of man for a less than noble purpose.
WRONG and just the opposite.
If Adam and Eve as the MYTH! goes, didn't know eating the fruit would cause them death, then it can only be called a trap by the standard you claim above because they did get punished in the MYTH, for something outside their knowledge and beyond their control.
It would have been more fair if before Adam and Even in the MYTH! God merely didn't make an arbitrary statement "just dont do that", and said, "Ok guys, what rules do you want to pound out for yourselves"?
God set up the game and the rules without their consent and gave them no opportunity to have a say before hand. I am reading the same words and same book you are and there is no logical consistency to the statement I quoted you above when faced with what plays out in that MYTH!
Otherwise they wouldn't have gotten kicked out of the garden.
It is a myth and a horrible myth that teaches blind obedience and ignorance as a virtue, which is what Adam and Eve had to do to stay in line and even knowing they didn't know better still punishes them.
The truth is that ignorance is exactly what that story teaches you to value. As soon as they got knowledge in that story they got punished for it. In reality knowledge is what helps humanity to move forward. That story and that horrible book teaches you to value ignorance and despise knowledge. FROM PAGE ONE
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There are all manner of verses concerning sins of ignorance. God doesn't let them off the hook.
What is it with Christians not reading their Bible?
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
Lets not accuse Caposkia of that, I am quite sure he has, although most don't.
I merely argue his interpretation bias and the logical inconsistencies it brings up when he makes claims about his interpretation.
It is illogical by the story both in motif and as written, to claim it was fair when it was clearly rigged. God did not in that MYTH give them a choice. He set up the garden and allowed the tree to be put in when he didn't have to and then punishes them for gaining knowledge above and beyond all else a sick thing for any society to value ignorance and mandate it as a litmus test to stay in the club. It would be a laughable joke if people didn't literally believe that it could be good morals to value ignorance.
It is both a scientific absurdity in which he can only cop out to metaphor, and a morally corrupt story that sells the idea of remaining stupid is a good thing.
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I will agree that Cap likely reads his Bible but I will say that he seems highly selective in his reading. Why else would he claim a God that holds people blameless for sins of ignorance when his words clearly state otherwise?
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
The reason is quite simple. He is in complete denial that holding his position is not based on being logically consistent, his position is based on purely his desire for this claimed god to be real. As soon as he faces that he will understand what we know he is doing.
This is what all believers of all labels inflict themselves with. As soon as he realizes why he rightfully rejects the claims of others the same way we reject his claims, he'll understand.
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Arguing scripture is a waste of time and bandwidth.
There are only two questions a theist needs to answer.
Can you give evidence for any invisible, intangible sentient beings with magical powers?
Can you give evidence that any part of the consciousness survives the physical death of the brain?
Scripture, revelation and opinion are just farts in a whirlwind... Unless they can answer EITHER of these questions, nothing they say has any validity or purpose.
LC >;-}>
Christianity: A disgusting middle eastern blood cult, based in human sacrifice, with sacraments of cannibalism and vampirism, whose highest icon is of a near naked man hanging in torment from a device of torture.
I am with you on that. It is pissing in the wind really because there are thousands of god/s and millions of "interpretations" even with the same holy books.
Until ANYONE CAN, which they cannot, but until anyone of any label can prove empirically that a thought can exist outside biological evolution, I'll default to the most likely probable answer that humans have always made up god/s/deities/ super natural as a mere reflection of their own human attributes and desires.
But if they do want to drag me into their comic book, I will rip it to shreds as the fraud it is.
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The Bible says you're not responsible for what you don't know... unlike the laws of the United States, where if you're in this country, you're expected to know and if you didn't... well... too bad. Same with most other countries. which one is really entrapment here?
resources please. I don't see the correlation with your example.
God's laws are by consent as well... you have the choice of being a part of it or not. Just like most laws, they're put in place to better life.
What choice did Adam and Eve have... hmm.. to eat or not to eat...
Lemme ask you this... If I told you that if you did X with something I created, you'll die and suffer a bit before you die... then someone else who did not create it came along and told you I was a liar, what would you do? Would you try X anyway, clearly knowing that avoiding X altogether would not have any negative consequences regardless of what you've been told?
I'll bet you would, then you'd be pissed at me despite the fact that I made the consequences clear to you from the start.