The New Atheist Crusaders and their quest for the Unholy Grail
Hey all. It's been a while since I've been on. I appologise, I've been busy.
The title of this forum is the title of a book I just finished reading. It's a catchy title, so I figured it'd be a good way to grab someone's attention on here. The book is written by Becky Garrison.
If her name doesn't sound familiar, that's fine, it shouldn't. So why am I wasting your time telling you about this book? Well, I'm glad you asked. This is a book written by a True Christian. HUH? For all of you who have discussed with me in the past, you understand what I'm talking about and for those of you who haven't you can research my blogs. Caposkia is my name.
Anyway, It's written from the viewpoint of how a true Christian feels about of course the atheists in the world today, but more importantly for you, how she feels about Christians in the world.
This is for all of you arguing with me about how Christians have to be black and white. How you have to follow a religion and there's nothing outside of religion etc. She touches on all of this. I truly think you'll enjoy reading this book and I would like to hear from those of you who have read it if anyone. If not, I"ll wait till someone finishes it. It's not a very long book.
When I first came onto this site, I wanted to discuss directly with those who were involved in the infamous television debate that RRS was involved in about the existence of God with Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron. They didn't have time and the other non-believers I came across were too opinionated to involve themselves in a conversation that made any progress. Instead I got into other debates which for the most part were a lot of fun, but I digress.
Becky mentions this debate as well in her book at the end. This is for all of you on here I've talked to who would not believe me or had other personal issues with the fact that my opinion didn't flow with their idea of a Christian. I will breifly say that I hold her viewpoint when she says that if she was at that debate, she would have "crawled out of that church in shame. "
Simply put, we both agree that both sides put forth deplorable excuses for their side and did not defend their side succesfully. I know I know, many of you will disagree and say that RRS did disprove the existance of God in that debate, but enough with the opinions, I'm saying the other side did just as good of a job proving God. This debate is a poor excuse to not follow Christ and this book talks about those types of Christians.
This book should clarify many misunderstandings of how True Christians are and I hope bring light to a new understanding of our following.
It is written differently than most books, but is an informational peice and uses a lot of researched information. It does focus on the "New Atheists" and is not a book preaching to the masses. As said, it is from the point of view of a True Christian.
enjoy, let me know your thoughts. I would also request, please be respectful in your responses. I'm here to have mature discussions with people.
Cap, the point was that whenever we point out what we see as clear faults in your 'logic' and 'evidence' you just dance around it.
Funny that your comment then identifies the problem pretty well - we actually do go further and actually look at your presented 'evidence' more closely, and guess what, it doesn't stand up, at least as far as we can see, not without all kinds of preconceived assumptions and special pleading.
But don't feel too bad, you are a much more pleasant person to talk with about these things than Jean Chauvin, who has returned to do little more than ridicule and taunt us. You do at least try and respond to us as reasonably as you can.
Favorite oxymorons: Gospel Truth, Rational Supernaturalist, Business Ethics, Christian Morality
"Theology is now little more than a branch of human ignorance. Indeed, it is ignorance with wings." - Sam Harris
The path to Truth lies via careful study of reality, not the dreams of our fallible minds - me
From the sublime to the ridiculous: Science -> Philosophy -> Theology
Cap, get over it, this is a lousy argument and you know it.
yea, I know. it is completely irrational to think you can get DNA from a metaphysical being. I'm glad you finally see that.
It is not my job to do your homework for you. We both know that a god or your God does not have material. So my challenge to you to find God's DNA is SARCASTIC because I know you damned well cannot do it. You are the one who believes in a fictional non material god, not me.
Your case here isn't my God, it's the metaphysical existence altogether. So this would then be your homework. What reasoning do you have... (I ask this because you're the one who seems to be convinced beyond a doubt that there is no plane of existence other than the physical) that there is no metaphysical existence? Now try to keep your answer away from physical means of detecting it because as we both agreed above, it's irrational to look for physical means of a metaphysical existence.
I still feel like you have more going on than disbelief. You have a grudge. I've said that since day 1. With that I can't do anything, I could tell you a snowflake is frozen crystalized water and you'd still deny it. My point is you're not going to convince me with your rant. I know that same approach would not work for you... nor most of the non-believing world.
I challenge you to labs because I know damned well you cant do it. You know damned well you cant do it.
Of course I can't do it, because it's irrational and illogical, not because it's something you'd do in a lab. Quantum physics is done in a lab and has proven quantum leaps, which as far as our physical realm is concerned is absolutely impossible, but it opens that door to the metaphysical... or at least a plane of existence outside what we can see.
THAT SHOULD GIVE YOU A BIG CLUE that it is all in your head.
irrationality and sheer ignorance on the topic should be a big clue huh... no wonder we can't have a conversation. ...and this whole time I've been trying to keep it realistic.
Again, don't ask us for what we would accept as evidence if you are not going to put your claims to those rigors. You wont do it because you know damned well you dont have shit to bring to a lab in the first place.
well... I just had a black bean burrito... so give me about 20 minutes.
You'd have to put something out there... excuse me (something rational and logical out there) for me to put claims on... How am I supposed to make a claim or support an idea that doesn't make any sense? Take a 1 lb piece of marble and float it by itself. When it sinks, I'll tell you that nothing can float on the water. now tell me why you won't believe me when I tell you that.
There is no such thing as an invisible super brain with magical super powers. Your god is merely your own wishful thinking. The same wishful thinking that had the Egyptians believing that the sun was a god. You believe for the same delusional reasons Muslims believe in their fictional Allah.
The same wishful thinking that has you believing as you do.
I've been nothing but fair to you and would require the same standards of anyone else making a deity claim of any label. And I don't stop with god claims. If you claimed little green men planted us here, I would require the same universal method. If you claimed that Ouija Boards worked, I have the same attitude.
I like your attitude. What's lacking is reasoning and rationality. At least some out there have reasoning. TGBaker and JPTS have years of research backing their belief. What do you have other than an excuse?
You know it is bullshit that you merely want to believe so badly so the only thing you can do is dodge the very universal method that has established things like entropy and miotosis, and evolution.
interesting you mention entropy... what do you know about it?
You have nothing but a claim, big whoopty doo. Give it up. I really hope someday you get it instead of wasting your entire life defending bullshit. It is all in your head, and no matter how real it may seem to you or how badly you want this fictional super hero to be real, it is all just in your head.
I'm glad you're convinced of this... now convince me... I've been waiting for years with you... still waiting...