Noah's Ark tops the "10 Stupidest Religious Beliefs"

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So, coming into this week, we had a couple of different articles nearly finished. Both were impeccably researched, finely nuanced stances on topics we knew would be of interest to the many cultured scholars in our audience.

But then we heard that a Dutch lunatic built a giant replica of Noah’s Ark, so we decided to just rip on stupid people again. If you would have preferred something a bit more elegant, please address your complaints to wild-eyed-loony-of-the-Lowland-Countries Johan Huibers.

Huibers, a Biblical Literalist, says that, based on his faith in the Covenant of the Rainbow signed, sealed, and delivered by God after the “last” Flood, he isn’t concerned about Holland being flooded again—which is ironic, considering that, at the rate the polar icecaps are melting, Holland is in fact actually going to be flooded in like… we don’t know, three weeks or something—but instead built the Ark to renew waning Dutch interest in Christianity.

Dutch interest in Christianity is waning? Hey, we wonder if that has anything to do with why Holland is really fun and people go there all the time. Well, regardless, this is a trend Huibers hopes to reverse. And what better way to renew people’s faith could there be than with a giant-ass reminder of the reason they figured out the whole thing was stupid in the first place? We are most definitely not on your side here, Johan, but if we were, we would suggest maybe, like, printing up some quality t-shirts with some really nice stuff that Jesus said on them. But hey, you chose to go with what is effectively a football-field-sized banner reading “CHRISTIANITY OFFICIALLY REQUIRES YOU TO BE MILDLY RETARDED,” and that’s cool too.

Actually, Huibers’s replica is slightly less than the length of a football field, and only half the length of the “real” Ark as described in the Book of Genesis. Hey… Hold on a second, we want to try something real quick.

1585: Man, there are a lot of numbers in this… Okay, it’s ringing.

Johan Huibers: Goeiedag.

1585: Goeiedag. Johan Huibers?

Johan Huibers: Ja, is hij.

1585: Ah, goed. Spreekt jij Engels, Johan?

Johan Huibers: Yes, actually, I do.

1585: Oh, good. Because we just wanted to ask you, did the fact that, even though you were using modern tools and shipbuilding techniques, you could still only get your Ark to be about half the size the Bible says the actual Ark was, if you wanted it to, you know, not fall the fuck apart or sink instantly, did that ever make you suspect even for a second that, you know, maybe the whole thing never really happened?

Johan Huibers: Oh, goodness no! In fact, the overwhelming evidence that the entire idea is blatantly impossible beyond the utmost straining of even a very young child’s credulity just made me all the more convinced that is it definitely what actually happened!

1585: Uh-huh… And why is that again?

Johan Huibers: Well, the fact of it is that I literally have shit for brains.

1585: You don’t say!

Johan Huibers: Indeed I do.

1585: Honestly, now, shit? If we were to open up your head this very day, we would actually find some sort of excrement inside, in lieu of a human brain?

Johan Huibers: Hand to God.

1585: Yes, of course it is, now that we think about it. Oh, well—we had to try. Doe voorzichtig, Johan.

Johan Huibers: Doe-diddly-voorzichtig te jou, gebuurino! (click)

1585: D’oh! Stupid Huibers!

Okay, evidently that was pointless. But the “banner” crack leading into it got us thinking, what if we were to rank various Western religious beliefs according to how stupid they are? In the past, we’ve had a lot of fun with religion in general, but never actually stopped to consider the fact that some religious things—Noah’s Ark, for example—are clearly way stupider than others. Exactly how retarded would someone have to be to put stock in one of them as opposed to another?

Fine, we didn’t just think of that—we wrote it first, which is why it’s the title of the essay. Anyway, here are our results:


THE 10 STUPIDEST RELIGIOUS BELIEFS


10. Intercession / Predestination (select events being caused by prayer, or all events being “God’s will&rdquoEye-wink

9. Manifestations (face of Jesus in grilled cheese, potato chip, etc.)

8. Creationism / Intelligent Design

7. “Young Earth” Hypothesis / Non-Existence of Dinosaurs / Coexistence of Dinosaurs with Man

6. Existence of the Devil at all

5. Demonic Possession / Exorcism

4. Rapture / Second-Coming / Apocalypse Scenarios / “The Antichrist”

3. Geocentrism

2. The Tower of Babel

1. Noah’s Ark / The Flood

Some Notes on the Selection Process:

This list was actually fairly difficult to construct—not due to lack of material, obviously, but rather due to the fact that many of these beliefs are so intertwined with one another that it’s hard to decide when to separate them into different entries. As you can see, we have three separate entries in a row that are all just varying degrees of believing in “the Devil,” and also granted autonomous status to #7 despite the fact that it’s just a side effect of believing in #1.

We should also mention that, when it came to simple Biblical literalism in general—which obviously yields thousands of individual preposterous beliefs—we narrowed it down by considering only those events that are supposed by believers to have caused something to happen, as in the cases of #s 8, 2, and 1. So, while it may be just as crazy to believe that, say, Sodom and Gomorrah really happened, this belief was not considered for the list, because it doesn’t provide the basis for an antiscientific alternate explanation of any specific phenomenon.

We would also like to point out that we only considered beliefs that originated with religion, and not beliefs that originated elsewhere but which are sometimes justified with religious rhetoric. Thus, for example, a Southern racist’s belief that God is “against” interracial dating—while phenomenally stupid—was inadmissible, since it is simply a case of an extrareligious belief’s being tacked on to religion.

Additionally, we weren’t sure how to treat beliefs that are logically implied (in terms of internal logic, obviously) by other beliefs. We ranked belief in the Devil as pretty stupid, and indeed there are lots of Christians who believe some pretty stupid shit and still don’t believe that there’s a fucking Devil—but, then again, many of those people do say they believe that there’s a Hell, so how do they explain…? We guess those are the people who pull some metaphor shit and say that Hell is “distance from God” or something. You know, the same people who say “I believe that God is Love, and Love exists, so therefore God exists,” which, of course, could just as easily be “I believe that God is That Pencil Over There, and That Pencil Over There exists, so…”

Finally, we would like to comment on the extent to which the concern of how many people still believe in any given thing was taken into account when determining the pecking order of craziness. Overall, this was not done with any consistency. We did take into account the fact that many people who are otherwise normal still pray in the decision to place Intercession at the bottom of the list—but, on the other hand, even though more people believe in Noah’s Ark than in Geocentrism, Noah’s Ark is just SO batshit insane that we could not justify putting it anywhere other than the top.

Oh, and for all you trivia buffs, be aware that this list technically isn’t even the real ten. That list appears elsewhere on the site, but it was just a bunch of shit about not cooking a calf in its mother’s milk, and assorted nitpickings about what is or is not supposed to be leavened, so everyone forgot about it.*

(*This is a joke about how the list of rules commonly referred to as the 10 Commandments aren’t actually the 10 Commandments, but just some stuff that Moses says God said. The phrase “10 Commandments,” and the fact of their being on tablets that Moses schleps down Mt. Sinai, actually appear only in conjunction with another list of 10 things that no-one’s ever heard of. If you don’t believe us, read the Book of Exodus. This just goes to show you how few people have actually fucking read the Bible.)


Now, people often don’t understand why it is that we, or other atheists, have such a problem with the concept of God. After all, belief in any of the crazy shit listed above isn’t the same thing as believing in God itself, right? If someone believes in some version of the God-concept, but no further crazy stuff that conflicts directly with science and so forth, then what’s the harm in that?

Our answer is as simple as it is shocking: There are hardly any of those people.

This may sound alarmist or paranoid—like we are making an assertion that can’t possibly be true. We have all been taught to believe that the vast majority of theists are simply theists, and that’s it. But the statistics belie this. Take the stats on evolution, for example: all polls on the subject indicate that around 51% of the U.S. population are Creationists, and 15% believe firmly in evolution. The third group waxes and wanes in size based on whether the third option is given as “Not Sure,” “Evolution Happened, but Was Guided by God,” or what-have-you—but virtually all of the give-and-take there is with the Evolution group; we have never seen a poll where the Creationist numbers dipped below 50%. Now, when you factor in the fact that somewhere around 10% of the population are atheists (all of whom, obviously, believe in evolution), this means that the statement “the majority of Americans who believe in God at all are Creationists” is a true statement. Factor the “Not Sure”/“God Guided Evolution” group in, and you end up with the even more alarming fact that “only 5% of Americans who believe in God also believe firmly in evolution.”

Okay, whatever, you might say. Evolution is complicated and hard to understand, and there’s a psychological imperative to disbelieve it, because believing that they were created special by God makes people feel good about themselves. Someone who doesn’t believe in evolution isn’t necessarily insane, right? It’s not like that Noah’s Ark bullshit, right?

Yeah, great… Except that, according to a 2004 ABC News poll, the percentage of Americans who believe in Noah’s Ark—this is Noah’s Ark, now, so we are talking about people who believe that one guy built a 450-foot wooden boat and somehow put two of every animal (and seven of every "clean" animal) on it, including the animals living on continents that hadn’t been discovered yet (which means he also must have discovered and explored all of the Americas and Australia, not to mention climbed the Himalayas what for to fetch the yaks), and kept them all alive and fed and playing nicely with one another for forty days, and then got them back to where they all lived, and okay fuck this, because we refuse to be reduced to pointing out flaws in the story of Noah’s Ark (although here is a link to a piece by someone who was good enough to do this)—is… 60%.

That’s sixty percent. Even higher, somehow, than the number that believe in Creation. And, as we think we may already have said a couple of times, this is Noah’s Ark we’re talking about. This is not like saying a quick prayer that your favorite team will win, during the final minutes of the game when the score’s really close and you’re all excited. We are talking about something that is effectively equivalent to schizophrenia. Subtract the 10% who are atheists once again, and you are left with the completely incontrovertible statement that “two-thirds of the Americans who believe in God at all are literally insane.”

Oh, no, wait… Okay, sorry, we fucked up. That should have been: “AT LEAST two-thirds of the Americans who believe in God at all are literally insane.”  Our apologies once again. We do hate making errors in our calculations.

And if you think we’re being unfair, we would love to know why. We are not talking about people who have heard of Noah’s Ark, or who think it’s a pleasant story, or who are happy to sing songs about it when they are in church—we are talking about people who think that it literally happened; about people who actually believe that any day now someone is going to find fossilized wood from it on Mt. Ararat. If it is not fair to say that such a person is insane—not in a hyperbolic, sarcastic sense, where the word is used as a general put-down, but literally insane, in the technical sense of being unable to distinguish fantasy from reality—then who is insane? What does “insane” mean, if not this?

Sixty percent. A substantial majority of the people who currently reside in the United States.

At this point, many of you are probably about to ask, “But isn’t this all getting better? Surely, these numbers are lower than they used to be. Even if the numbers seem alarming in isolation, we would certainly see a general downward trend if we were to examine them over the years, right?”

Well, we’re sorry to tell you that this shirt is blacknot. The percentage of Americans who believe in evolution is lower now than it was thirty years ago, and recent years have seen a substantial spike in belief in the Devil, which rose from 63% in 1997 to 71% in 2004. Furthermore, though we tend to think of old farts as being the most crazily religious, only 67% of people over 70 believe in the Devil, while the number for 18-34-year-olds is 79%.

Okay, fine, we’re smart enough to know that this is being thrown off by the fact that rich people live longer, so a greater proportion of people over 70 who are still alive are educated than in the general population (which is just one more demonstration of the fact that statistics never prove anything, unless we’re the ones using them), but in any case this is still pretty fucked up right here. Seriously, four out of five 18-34-year-olds believe in the fucking Devil?! Hold on a second, we need to make another phone call.

1585: Okay, it’s ringing… still ringing…

Jerry Seinfeld: Hello?

1585: Hey, Jerry Seinfeld?

Jerry Seinfeld: This is he.

1585: Hey, what’s up, it’s 1585. We need you to come over here and say “Who are these people?”

Jerry Seinfeld: What? Fifteen-eighty… Huh? What is this?

1585: Oh, we’re just this totally awesome website. Anyway, we’re in the middle of this one essay, and we can’t really go into it, but trust us, it would be pretty funny if you said “Who are these people?” right now.

Jerry Seinfeld: What?

1585: You know, “Who aaaaaaaaare these people?”

Jerry Seinfeld: Oh, that. Well, you know, I never really said that much. That was more people doing impressions of me. Which I never minded, because, you see, there are four stages of comedy: the first is making your friends laugh, the second—

1585: Yeah, we know.

Jerry Seinfeld: So, anyway, what’s the essay about?

1585: Well, the part we needed you for was about the Devil, but—

Jerry Seinfeld: The Devil. What’s the deal with the Devil? Why does he carry that pitchfork? It’s like, is he baling some hay, is he chasing Frankenstein…? Because as far as I know, those are the only two things you can do with a pitchf—

1585: This has become more trouble than it’s worth.

So, why are we telling you all this? Just for a larf? Not exactly. While we have never denied the fact that mocking the stupid is objectively a good time, what needs to be uppermost in our minds here is the fact that ridiculous beliefs almost always yield empirically demonstrable terrible results. For example, 44% of Americans believe that the world will end sometime in the next 50 years—good luck convincing those people to recycle, or conserve energy… or rainforests or wetlands or anything. And this, as we’ve said elsewhere, may in fact be the point—among the skeptical minority, the tendency is still to assume that the crazy belief originates with religion; but the frequency with which ridiculous religious claims just so happen to provide believers with an excuse not to have to do what smart people tell them to do lends a good deal of credence to the hypothesis that being an asshole is the cause and religious beliefs the effect, rather than the other way around… All the more reason never to feel the least bit bad about openly and viciously excoriating them.

Religious types are always complaining about how fancy-book-learning types, effete corps of intellectual snobs, and the like, are encroaching on the private business of their faith (this is actually their second-favorite thing to complain about; their first-favorite thing to complain about, ironically, is people who complain about things). What they seem not to realize is that this is in fact impossible not to do for anyone who ever wants to have a conversation about anything.

Let’s examine the situation of the faithful’s Public Enemy Number One: college professors. Do religious people have any idea how impossible it is to be a teacher and never say anything that contradicts religion? We mean, the Bible clearly states that the value of pi is exactly 3, so right off the bat the math guy is fucked, as is the Art teacher if any art involving circles ever comes up (actually, the Bible doesn’t say that “pi is exactly three;” it says that a particular cauldron is 10 cubits across and 30 cubits around, which is clearly an approximation, and there’s no problem at all if you take into account the thickness of the rim, but the funny part about this is, many Christians refuse to accept this explanation and still insist that pi is exactly three just to be dicks, even though the flap over this “mistake” originated with people whose intent was to find something in the Bible that is clearly false).

But let’s say a discussion about, say, body image or people being too sexy or something (since these topics account for approximately 94% of all discussions that have taken place in college classrooms during the past fifteen years) breaks out in an English or Sociology or Psychology class. Religious types would be quick to object that it isn’t the place of an English or Sociology or Psychology professor to be “teaching evolution”—but how the fuck is someone supposed to lead a discussion about why human beings find certain things attractive and not bring up evolution?

Or suppose an interesting point about etymology comes up—is a professor to be expected not to make mention of the fact that languages evolve from and inform one another, because it contradicts the Tower-of-Babel explanation of where languages come from? It may seem like this example is a joke, but this shit comes up. And it has been coming up more and more and more since… since… oh, let’s just pick the arbitrary date of January 20th, 2001.

And in February of 2006, Republican Arizona state senator Thayer Verschoor introduced a bill that would have afforded college students the right to refuse to read any books or complete any assignments that they found morally objectionable—which, obviously, was code for making it out-and-out illegal for colleges in that state to contradict, or challenge, or even roughly jostle religion. And in case anyone is assuming that this initiative must have been prompted by some incident of an “extreme” nature, be advised that the movement started with a religious student’s refusal to read The Ice Storm, on the grounds that there is sex in it. (The bill, by the way, was passed by the Higher Education and Rules Committees but, mercifully, failed in the open senate… by three votes. And so no-one can accuse us of not giving credit where credit is due, we want to mention that the Arizona state senator who commendably led the fight against the bill was actually another Republican, Jim Waring of Phoenix.)

Now that we’ve gone ahead and consubstantiated these matters with party politics, however, we feel we should point out one other little thing that makes all this even more complicated in terms of Left vs. Right. Over most of the last two decades, the standard response of the Left to religious hogwash has been to take issue with it not on the grounds that it is false, but on the grounds that it is oppressive—this is why ostensibly anti-religious opinions expressed in academic circles are typically only anti-Christian opinions; Christianity is the powerful, dominant, majority religion, and so taking issue with it fits under the P.C. umbrella, whereas taking issue with theism in general would also require calling bullshit on various minority religions, which wouldn’t fly. And the standard left-wing critique of Christianity involves pointing out ad nauseam that it is patriarchal. Only… here’s that thing we feel like we should tell you: the thing is, one of the constants that held true across all the polls we consulted for this essay, in relation to every single one of the absurd beliefs mentioned here, is the fact that a markedly higher percentage of women believe in them than men. Noah’s Ark, the Devil, Creationism, you name it—more American women believe in those things than do American men.

We don’t really have a particular agenda connected to this bit of information. We’re just tossing it out there, because it seems like something we should all be thinking about. For a good long while now, our strategy as American Liberals when it comes to criticizing religion has been to lead with a charge of sexism… So what do we do with the fact that American women are substantially more religious than American men? And if Western religion is so patriarchal and all, then why is this the case? It just seems like we’re not going to make any headway here unless we start taking this into consideration.

Oh, and speaking of gender issues, 24% of Americans believe in witches. Fucking witches.

But at least this last tidbit allows us to derive what is officially our favorite True Statement from this entire essay. Assuming that virtually all of the people who believe in witches are also Creationists—which they would pretty much have to be—it can accurately be said that “roughly half of all Creationists believe in witches.”

Seriously. Fucking witches.

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My stomach hurts now.  Very

My stomach hurts now.  Very funny piece Sexo. 

- Brian Sapient


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Couple of comments...

Great piece. A couple of comments though:

The fact that the survey you cited show more American's believe in Noah's Ark than the Creation myth doesn't make any sense... which leads me to wonder, how did they ask the question? Did they specify, "do you believe in the story of Noah's ark, exactly as it took place in the bible?" Even if they did specify that it must be a literal belief, who's to say they even know the story, so they might not know how ridiculous it is. Maybe a significant number of the YES answers are just people thinking: 

"hmm... I've never thought about that before... well the story probably came from something... yah, I could see there being a guy named Noah who built a boat one day for fishing or whatever and then used it to escape a run-of-the-mill flood... and maybe he put a few of his farm animals on there to save them... so I guess you could call the Noah's Ark."

My other comment is related to the list itself. Predestination should definitely NOT be top 10. There are WAY stupider things in every single religion that didn't make your list. You have defined predestination as "everything is God's will." Well, can we agree that Determinism is a pretty scientific belief... I'm not saying it's correct, just that it could be argued with science, and was a prominent philosophy during the Enlightenment and dawn of science. Ideas such as, everything that happens is just the universe playing out the laws of nature. Even our thoughts, decisions, actions are results of genes, chemical and electrical reactions in the brain, pre-programmed responses to external stimuli.

Now, if you have a more liberal definition of God, and don't anthropomorphize God, but rather think of God as the whole Universe (all the matter, energy, space-time itself), then Scientific Determinism and Predestination are eqivalent. What's the alternative to Determinism/Predestination? Does the Rational Response Squad prefer "human will," some ethereal quality of the human soul, somehow separate from the physical processes happening in our bodies, some mystical external force that influences our physical being. Is that a more rational alternative than believe everything that happens is out of our control, thus in God's control?

 

 

 

 

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Re: Predestination

BigJayMoney--

Your analysis of the nonstupidity of predestination would be sound if the religious people themselves were thinking it through as fully as you are...  But they're not.

The type of predestination/determinism I had in mind was when they casually refer to any random thing that happens as if God directly pointed Its finger and made a decision for it to happen--e.g., their cat dies, and they say "Why did God kill my cat?"  As if the cat would have been immortal if God hadn't chosen to  make it die at that exact second.  (And by extension, the idea that the cat was "meant to" die at that second).

The icing on the stupid cake is that someone who believes this logically shouldn't be mad at the drunk driver who ran over their cat.  After all, God made him do it, because the cat was meant to die.

And this is why predestination/determinism really is that stupid: Logically, you cannot believe in it and free will at the same time.  And yet Christianity is centrally based on a belief in free will--i.e., if it does not exist, then it is senseless for God to punish or reward people based on their actions.

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I think there was a comment

I think there was a comment in there which said most people who believe in god believe in all the other crap that goes with it, the general hate everyone else stuff I honestly don't think that is true.

 

In the UK and Europe in general most people believe that there is 'something' more than this world but that really is far as it goes. They may believe in karma but generally not miracles, they couldnt care less how the world was made (something about a big bang or something), they probably know the story of the nativity but don't really think god goes around shagging virigns.

Ideally people would be rational thinkers but I think thats a latter stage that comes after not being a completely bigot dedicated to utterly shit. I do think atheists should concentrate on converting christians and similar to decent human beings before actually turning into atheists (which would be nice but isnt needed to stop the world blowing itself up)