One reason they are obsessed with the year 2012 is that the Mayan calendar was only made up until Dec 2012 (of course the Mayan culture ended in the 15th century - do we have any calendars made for, say, 2634?)

It really doesn't make much sense to make calendars for so far ahead - it would be easy with a computer, but imagine how hard it must've been to make one for so far in the future with basically stone age technology - though the Mayans were very advanced in mathematics and astronomy.

Even if the crackpots are right about the solar system somehow entering a gravitational superfield(cough), it wouldn't result in the earth spinning in a different direction. It would take an impact to do that. A gravitational pull strong enough to change the axis of the earth would rip the entire solar system apart, if gravity could even accomplish an axis change on it's own that is. And we're nowhere near the black hole either.

Geomagnetic reversals can be measured and dated easily in the deep sea. The do NOT match with mass extinctions.

Earths magnetic pole is instable over long time scales but stable for almost all of earths history. The north pole is moving and its recent movement has been measured. Earths magnetic pole is expected to swap in rougly 200 ears around 2200 CE wich is relatively soon measured on a time scale of 4.000.000.000 years.

Earths pole will NOT weverse 2012, that is just common "end of the world prophecy paranoya". What "end of the world predictions" miss is that there habe been thousands of them and none of them ever happened. Most "end of the world prophecies" are made up by poor authors to sell books and it is not a coincidence that everyone places the date of the end of the world far bast his own life expectancy to avoid any responsibility and loss of credibility in chase of being wrong, wich of course was allways the case.

arths magnetic pole has swapped a few times in earth history. this is bad for more complex life forms because while it swaps and weakens over a few years the surface is hit by more gamma rays causing more mutations, usually infertility and cancer

However this this will only affect polar regions where the magnetic field is weakest all the time, causing polar lights. Earths atmosphere itself shields enough from radiation near the aequato, it wont make much of a difference there if the magnetic pole would swap or reduced drastically.

i hate this forum type. it is unnecessarily complex and makes spell checking hard so fuck it. 

The reason for this shift is this:

Every moon and planet has an orbit, and so does every star system, just like our Solar System, which is just another name for Star System. Our sun (the star of our solar system) orbits what is known as the central sun called Alcyone. This central sun is the central star of the Milky Way Galaxy and is located directly in the center of our galaxy in between what is known as the Photon Belt, which was discovered back in 1961. This Photon Belt which is made up of tiny energy particles extremely capable of realigning our atomic structures. Anyway, there are a total of eight suns in the Milky Way Galaxy, ours being the youngest and Alcyone being the oldest. Our sun and six others (Teygela, Maya, Marope, Atlas, Cosieno, and Electra) orbit around Alcyone, Marope being the sun that orbits the closest to Alcyone. The length of time it takes for a Star System to orbit through the Northern or Southern segment of the Photon Belt is 2000 years. Currently, our Solar System is approximately 4-6 years apart from the southern segment of this photonic energy field. Once completely through the southern part of the Photon Belt, (which will take 2000 years to complete) our Solar System will have finished a cycle that it takes 26 thousand years to complete, 22,000 years outside of the Photon Belt, (Eastern and Western orbit centers) and 4,000 years inside of the Photon Belt. (Northern and Southern segments of the Photon Belt-2,000 years North and 2,000 years South) Extreme weather and changes in human behavior have been a result of the increase in Earth’s frequency, because of this photonic energy. This increase in Earth’s frequency will cause a flip in the Magnetic Field of the Earth. It is said that this flip will also cause us to open up to a higher consciousness, because of a growth in our pineal gland.

Every age has a peak before achieving greatness, and the signs of that peak would be for example, war, poverty, famine, and human suffering, meaning when life grows to a certain peak of negativity, it abruptly changes for the better. Because of this discovered cycle of Star Systems, it is believed that Earth along with our Solar System and the other six suns along with their Star Systems, have gone through the Photon Belt many times in the past. The trajectory through this energy field is also believed by the Mayan Indians that an extraordinary change for humanity will occur.

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Does your handle refer to a terminal brain-eating disease that is destroying your ability to process information? Because my six year-old daughter knows more about the solar system and the galaxy than you apparently do.

Here's a few quick facts:

1. There are a few more than eight stars in the Milky Way. For starters, every single star that you see when you look up at night is in the Milky Way. And that is a tiny percentage of the total, which is approximately 100 billion.

2. There is no central sun at the centre of the galaxy. There is a massive black hole there, but this is not a sun by any stretch of the definition of the word. It maybe USED to be a sun, but it has long since collapsed into something quite different.

3. There is no galactic structure called a Photon Belt. This is a complete fabrication.

4. "Photonic energy" is light. Light does not create changes in human behaviour and consciousness, unless you count squinting and blinking. Light certainly cannot affect the earth's magnetic field.

5. The function of the pineal gland is to regulate circadian rhythms and sleep by secreting melatonin. So unless your "higher consciousness" simply means being awake or asleep all the time, the pineal gland can't have anything to do with it.

6. Light from the galaxy does not cause changes in human history because the light from the galaxy is the same all the time. Even if we did pass through some kind of brighter region of the galaxy, the effect would be slightly less dark nights. If we got a sudden spike in cosmic radiation, the effect would be cancer, blindness, mutation and death. Luckily our sun and our atmosphere protects us from most of that. 

7. Human history gets better after it is bad for a while because people get sick of the bad condition and work to change it. Then, after it is good for a while people stop paying attention and allow things to slip until they are bad again. And around we go. No Photon Belt required. 

Actually, not everything you see when you look up into the sky at night is a star. Many of them are stars, that's true, but many of them are also galaxies that are so far away that their stars appear like single points to your eyes, even though they are actually made of billions of stars.

I have no idea if this is truth or bullshit, but someone once told me that when you look into the night sky and see the purplish, gaseous-looking belt of the milky way, then you are looking through the disc of the milky way. If you're looking anywhere other than through that belt, you are gazing above or below the disc of the milky way.

But my main point is that not all of those are stars and not all of them are in the milky way. 

This claim of a pole shift in 2012 seems to me yet another case of imagining that the Earth is like a spinning top on a flat surface, a spinning top that will someday tip over.

The Earth does not rest on any surface, so it cannot tip over in that fashion.

Instead, the Moon and the Sun continually pull on its equatorial bulge. That adds in vector fashion to the Earth's rotation, forcing the Earth's spin axis to go in a circle around its orbit axis. This precession has close to a constant rate with a period of about 25,700 years. The Earth's orbit suffers precession of its own, with periods somewhat greater than that, though only by a few degrees. These two effects combine to keep the Earth's spin precession from being an exact circle.

Also, the Earth's magnetic field has often reversed itself over geological time. But it does not suddenly tip over; instead it shrinks, acquires a relatively complicated shape, and then gets a stronger but simpler shape with its polarity reversed. In more technical terms, its dipole part goes from positive through zero to negative. And when it does, it is much like it is now, but in the opposite direction.

My dad is obsessed with this kind of shit.

"Hey son, you know about atlantis?"

"That's a myth, dad."

"No its not, Atlantis used to be in antarctica, but after the magnetic field shifted, antarctica moved to the south pole, so it got really cold."

 "First of all, dad, magnetic fields have nothing to do with plate tectonics, and second, if antartica ever moved from the tropics to the south pole it would have been hundreds of millions of years ago"

 "Wait, so you're saying magnetic fields don't make us stick to the world?"

 "Wha...?" *shakes head and walks away*

Oh, and here's another gem from yesterday.

Dad: "So if you were on the north pole, how many time zones would you be in?"

Me: "Geographic or magnetic?"

Dad:"The one in the north"

Me: "uh, well if you're on the geographic north pole, you'd be in all timezones at once."

Dad: "So time would stand still?"

Me *thinking he's joking*: "Yeah, if you're talking politics."

Dad *actually serious*: "So how has anyone come back? I mean, wouldn't they be stuck there forever?"

Me: "You can't be serious. Timezones are a human convention. They have nothing to do with actual time."

Dad *yelling*:"But Einstein said time was relative! He said if you flew around the Earth from west to east time would go backwards! That's why we have jet lag!"

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How did this man make it through high school? 

Glad to see there's other rational thinkers in this place!

Here's some good rational information on the subject:

http://www.2012explained.com

http://www.dailycommonsense.com/?p=13

Enjoy!

Ben.

And does an "enlightened spiritual master" sound like the sort of person who is "qualified in any way whatsoever" to speak about such occurances, or don't you think such information should be gleaned from a climatologist?

There is absolutely no way whatsoever that nearly 400 trillion tons of ice could disappear in four years. Perhaps, with the fastest climate change models, 30 years or 50 years. Not four. No way. As for the idea that "poisonous gases" will come out of the sea, that was simply made up. Which gas, precisely? Most gases do not dissolve in water. Why does this one, and which is it? What induced change by raising the temperature would cause its release (such can only be known by providing the precise name of the gas). Without giving the exact IUPAC name of the gas, all such statements are worthless, since without it, no claims like that can be evaluated? So which poisonous gas is it? Nearly all toxic gaseous compounds are organic, and none of those dissolve in water (they will dissolve in xylene or cyclohexane, or other organic compounds) Inorganic gaseous compounds tend to be single gaseous atoms or diatoms. Please provide the precise IUPAC nomenclature of the gas in question, so that this silly claim may be put to the test.

The Mayans never actually predicted gthe end of the world in 2012.   It just happened to be the end of the current 'Long count' of the Mayan calendar.   Once the date is reached, the cyclical calendar can be started again from zero

All navigation systems will need to be reset/reconfigured, but other than that I'm not too sure.  There's plenty of doomsayers talking about possible systems failing due to nobody knowing the true effects, but I can't imagine they'd be that much.

My dad was heavy into Deepak Chopra at one point. I feel your pain.

Also, and more on topic: everyone, it's okay; I've shifted my pole, and nothing bad happened. I know you were worried, what with all that magnetism and mass, but it turns out it only makes the earth shake locally.

(I couldn't resist.)

Oh, the usual. Birds will fly backwards, salmon will live in the rivers and swim out to the ocean to spawn (thereby killing off the bear populations in Alaska), moss will grow on the south side of trees, bees will build their honeycombs inside-out, termites will eat plastic, and Christian priests will stop molesting little boys.

We'll live in Bizzaro-world!

That is an interesting article! From the article:

Thanks to burgeoning technologies and collaborations of the global scientific community however, we can now see how our actions fit into the overall matrix of living systems. Empowered with this new perspective, we can work to conserve not just ocean life but also the links that comprise the ocean’s diverse ecosystems. As renowned naturalist John Muir mused at the turn of the century, “When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.” And we as citizens can “hitch” our efforts together to make a difference. Here’s how:

• Support policies for the protection of whole ocean regions through marine protected areas.
• Support fisheries measures that keep entire habitats, not just single species, in mind.
• Stay informed on ocean issues. Visit the World Ocean Observatory Forum.
• Make wise choices at the market and only purchase seafood that has undergone rigorous certification standards to ensure its sustainability, like those from Marine Stewardship Council—certified fisheries.

Please explain how this event and well documented observations explaining HOW the event happens has to do with your statement: "Final point, just because you can't prove it exists, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It means we don't know as much as we think we do. I guess that's why I believe in God!" 

there is no crazy beam of energy or whatever, the earth, the sun, and the black hole at the center of our galaxy will align like they do alot, but on 12.20.12 the magnitic poles of all three will align and that may cause a flip. and yes if that does happen the tectonic plates will move, because that huge electromagnet we know as the earth's core will reverse so will the mantle. side affects include BAD weather and electrical issues  thanks for your time and i cant wait for y'all to tell me where i was wrong...peace      

oww, my pride.

I think what he said makes some sence because yes when you are asleep you are in a higher state of consciousness also when a wake you are in a state of consciousness and to say light affects nothing is just stupid ignorant. It affects everything. Also Evaloution is real after all it's said we evolved from monkey and we are like 90% water and i think that is strange in itself

Every age has a peak before achieving greatness, and the signs of that peak would be for example, war, poverty, famine, and human suffering, meaning when life grows to a certain peak of negativity, it abruptly changes for the better. Because of this discovered cycle of Star Systems, it is believed that Earth along with our Solar System and the other six suns along with their Star Systems, have gone through the Photon Belt many times in the past. The trajectory through this energy field is also believed by the Mayan Indians that an extraordinary change for humanity will occur.

 HUMAN HISTORY GETS BETTER AFTER A WHILE BECAUSE PEOPLE GET SICK OF THE BAD CONDITIONS AND WORK TO CHANGE IT THEN WHEN ITS BETTER THEY STOP PAYING ATTENTION AND LET THINGS GO BAD AGAIN                                                     thats about the little picture after all there is 100 billion stars when you look up  at the sky AND LIGHT IS CONSTANT BUT ITS ALWAYS CHANGING THEREFOR NENER THE SAME

I MEAN COME ON HOW NARROW MINED IS HE!!!!!! you just explained exactly what he was on about I mean that is what he said about the GALAXY going round and round and its coming to the end off the cycle time for a change its negative people like you thats holding the open minded people like us and yourself back from the change the world greatly needs your the kinda people that put jesus on the cross  because your scared of change or life. And im not a beliver well i belive in somthing just not sure what it is. OMG im babbaling time to go Every one should just sit back and watch the world be destroyed oh i forgot were all doin that now

Right, im confused. if this has happened before why didnt half the life species die out. wouldnt that result in evoloution sort of starting over, like from the start of life on Earth. ive heard alot of these end of the world things from youtube and i dont trust any of it. im just gonna wait till the time comes. im only 14 and by then i would be almost 18. i hope i can have my 18 birthday lol its on the 31st december so i will go crazy if it happens and we all die. im not the best at science, but i know my fair share of knowledge about the sun and solar system. but i dont see how a black hole could affect the gravatational pull. anyway hope this helped.

ps could someone tell me about how the life never died out on earth.

There will be an Epic Ball Game, and to the victor goes the fate of the universe.

No, seriously. Look that shit up.

Just to toss something else into the mix, I am led to believe that a pole shift is not the big worry for life, but rather a weakening of the magnetic field.  Mars, it is theorized, once had a magnetic field.  If earth is to also lose its field, that would spell the end of all life.

While I'm poking my nose into this thread, where the hell is Luminon?  Surely he believes that a pole shift is going to kill us all pretty soon.

Snafu hit the nail on the head. After 2012 it's the 14th baktun. No end of the world, just a new count.