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The Story of Cap and Trade
Posted on: December 2, 2009 - 6:09am
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The Story of Cap and Trade
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This little video says a lot about how we think out solutions to problems that causes even bigger problems .
See, I disagree with Gauche here and we got into it a little but I'll still talk and agree with him on other issues.
It's still friendly. I mocked him for parroting conservative talking points, and he suggested I slept with Phil Jones.
Nothing is taken personally. This is a forum on the internet.
So settle down.
Theism is why we can't have nice things.
Please.... can't we all just get along ?
It's not about having a disagreement. It's about people talking shit to total strangers and the lack of respect. Calling someone stupid and ignorant because they disagree with you. The arrogance around here is unbelievable. I can have a disagreement and a debate, but when it get's personal and someone talks shit, I'm going to do the same. Yeah, it's an internet forum, but that doesn't mean there should be any less respect than as in real life. No worries though.
It's a sign! We need more anti-matter.
and the contention over the science behind it is blinding us to the fundamental truth we are fucking the planet.
It's as if so as there's an argument about warming we can just ignore our multiplicity of enormous mistakes.
It doesn't matter how we do it - warming, destruction of ozone, destruction of habitat, unnecessary over-consumption of resources.
But we are doing it. The truth of this is all around us. Does any one on the forum live in a pristine, unspoiled environment?
Has anyone ever heard what actually happened to the people who lived on Easter Island?
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
... im guessing you want an answer that doesnt involve a conspiracy theory?
What Would Kharn Do?
It actually combines a couple of of things. Apparently the locals started building huge stone figures to appease the gods, the bigger the figure the more prestige for the village that built it.
Trouble is, the only way to shift these statues around was on log rollers. The entire community got themselves whipped up into a god-race as it were and over a relatively short period of time
the island was devoid of trees enough to encourage rain to fall and the entire island ecosystem broke down completely. The people left and/or died.
So there you have it - god worship and environmental vandalism working together to destroy humanity.
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
Decepticons.
Theism is why we can't have nice things.
BigUniverse wrote,
"Well the things that happen less often are more likely to be the result of the supper natural. A thing like loosing my keys in the morning is not likely supper natural, but finding a thousand dollars or meeting a celebrity might be."
Whatever city you live in I assure you it's cleaner now than it was in the pre-industrial age (if it existed). At least when you walk down the street you don't have to wade through horse manure and have people emptying their trash and chamber pots out of their windows on you. There's documented evidence from the mid 17th century of air pollution in London so thick one couldn't see another person standing in the same room with them, and evidence on the facade of Notre Dame de Paris of air pollution in the 13th century.
There are twists of time and space, of vision and reality, which only a dreamer can divine
H.P. Lovecraft
BigUniverse wrote,
"Well the things that happen less often are more likely to be the result of the supper natural. A thing like loosing my keys in the morning is not likely supper natural, but finding a thousand dollars or meeting a celebrity might be."
Lies. All of these disasters were caused by angering gods.
Theism is why we can't have nice things.
You are comparing modern development to former development.
I'm pretty sure he is comparing modern development to undeveloped.
People vs no people, rather than people now vs people then.
Theism is why we can't have nice things.
I forgot about the environmentalist vision of Utopia with no people. I have to tell you as Utopian visions go that's going to be a pretty tough sell.
There are twists of time and space, of vision and reality, which only a dreamer can divine
H.P. Lovecraft
I'm Sydney, Australia, and back in the day, effluent poured untreated into the harbour, factories spewed chemicals, etc, etc. Now we have the EPA and huge fines and all the rest.
Lol - now Sydney Water has to treat the effluent before pouring it into the sea from a pipe located 1000 metres or so outside the harbour. Of course back then the population was smaller and now it's over 4 million.
Look - I think the fact we're arguing passionately about it is a step in the right direction. It's a bunch of random folks on a forum about god all get up in arms about the environment that's good.
Lame as this sounds I think everyone just has to make their own changes in their own spaces. It's a good thing to do, even if Al Gore is a righteous twat...
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
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http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/12/04/global-warming-emails-followup/
Theism is why we can't have nice things.
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