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I was invited on the show to talk about my deconversion from JesusWalks to Savage.....I have been hunted about it and alot of people still doubt my deconversion but hopefully the show will put everyone s doubts to rest and if it doesnt well fuck it, cant say i didnt try.

I will admit, I thought it was going to be a witch hunt, and i was prepared to batten down the hatches and prepare for a war.

Man was I wrong, the show was done very professionally, we had a few technical hiccups but I felt very easy on the show with the guys and all in all it was quite a pleasent feeling to be taken seriously for a change.

Conversion was not easy, and deconversion was a real bitch and it will continue to do so as long as I live in the place that I do.

The show made me feel more comfortable with who I am becoming and I definatly know I am not alone. At the end of the show, I was given two gifts...a honourary title, made up on the spot (tell me when I need to rent the tux guysEye-wink ) and a supply of shows...and true to there word I got the shows this afternoon. I am loving the Jesus guy...what a looney Toon.

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The Rational Response Squad rocks.

I was invited on the show to talk about my deconversion from JesusWalks to Savage.....I have been hunted about it and alot of people still doubt my deconversion but hopefully the show will put everyone s doubts to rest and if it doesnt well fuck it, cant say i didnt try.

I will admit, I thought it was going to be a witch hunt, and i was prepared to batten down the hatches and prepare for a war.

Man was I wrong, the show was done very professionally, we had a few technical hiccups but I felt very easy on the show with the guys and all in all it was quite a pleasent feeling to be taken seriously for a change.

Conversion was not easy, and deconversion was a real bitch and it will continue to do so as long as I live in the place that I do.

The show made me feel more comfortable with who I am becoming and I definatly know I am not alone. At the end of the show, I was given two gifts...a honourary title, made up on the spot (tell me when I need to rent the tux guysEye-wink ) and a supply of shows...and true to there word I got the shows this afternoon. I am loving the Jesus guy...what a looney Toon.

Anyway thanks guys, you dudes rock!!!

Honestly, man, you were my favorite guest yet. I'm certainly not saying that simply because you and I got along when you were still a Catholic and I was an atheist. The way you put things on our show, the way you justified things, and how you were so very blunt - well,but at the same time, so very true, and simply honest. That's really refreshing, and makes us all take stock. The way you put things when you talked to us really did make me reassess what's important.

Anyway, I cannot wait untill your show comes out, you see things in a way that too many of us try to pretend don't exist.

You will come out well, btw. My cohosts did underestimate you, In all honesty, I know they did expect you to be an ass, to be simply a homophobe. I certainly did not, because I knew you. Seriously, you kicked ass in the interview. You will be happy with it I think, or at the very least, you won't be embarrassed.

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Honestly, man, you were my favorite guest yet. I'm certainly not saying that simply because you and I got along when you were still a Catholic and I was an atheist.

Cheersa bro!

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The way you put things on our show, the way you justified things, and how you were so very blunt - well,but at the same time, so very true, and simply honest. That's really refreshing, and makes us all take stock. The way you put things when you talked to us really did make me reassess what's important.

Sometimes I can be alittle to blunt...hey I am working on it, the deconversion is one hell of a process!!

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Anyway, I cannot wait untill your show comes out, you see things in a way that too many of us try to pretend don't exist.

Yeah I am pretty amped about it, I got a thread on each board except IG....I dont know if I can seeing as he already has a show of his own.

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You will come out well, btw. My cohosts did underestimate you, In all honesty, I know they did expect you to be an ass, to be simply a homophobe.

Thats not totally unjustifiable...I am not those things and I hope that I portrayed that, but I can see how they got to that notion.

Like it was mentioned in the show, cultural differences. Fijians are generally a very blunt people, our language doesnt have all the niceties of english, just very direct wordings.

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Seriously, you kicked ass in the interview. You will be happy with it I think, or at the very least, you won't be embarrassed.

Well I will just be happy with the not embarrased part...LOL!

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Honestly, man, you were my favorite guest yet. I'm certainly not saying that simply because you and I got along when you were still a Catholic and I was an atheist.

Cheersa bro!

Not desereved.

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The way you put things on our show, the way you justified things, and how you were so very blunt - well,but at the same time, so very true, and simply honest. That's really refreshing, and makes us all take stock. The way you put things when you talked to us really did make me reassess what's important.

Sometimes I can be alittle to blunt...hey I am working on it, the deconversion is one hell of a process!!

The more blunt the better.

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Anyway, I cannot wait untill your show comes out, you see things in a way that too many of us try to pretend don't exist.

Yeah I am pretty amped about it, I got a thread on each board except IG....I dont know if I can seeing as he already has a show of his own.

I'll tell you one thing, a lot of people are going to have to eat their words. Make them chow down.

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You will come out well, btw. My cohosts did underestimate you, In all honesty, I know they did expect you to be an ass, to be simply a homophobe.

Thats not totally unjustifiable...I am not those things and I hope that I portrayed that, but I can see how they got to that notion.

Like it was mentioned in the show, cultural differences. Fijians are generally a very blunt people, our language doesnt have all the niceties of english, just very direct wordings.

And, personally, I love that bluntness. That's the sort of guy I am. I wear my life and opinions on my sleave.

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Seriously, you kicked ass in the interview. You will be happy with it I think, or at the very least, you won't be embarrassed.

Well I will just be happy with the not embarrased part...LOL!

Honestly, I think when it comes out you are going to shock a lot of people.

Personally, I'm ashamed of how people at IG and even my own home page have treated you.

Do me a favor and guilt them all as long as possible, they deserve it. What pisses me off the most is that so many have forgotten what being the minority is really like.

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Hah, I believe I'm one of the people you need to "guilt". I reacted the way I did because it was highly suspicious to me atleast that a Christian who recently deconverted was saying "I dislike homosexuals more now without religion" and "I wouldn't do anything to prevent the rape of a child if it was happening infront of me". It seemed as if you were playing along with what Christians already think of atheists and it pissed me off. Not often does anything piss me off, but I was pretty sure every other theist on the board was thinking "Yep, I knew they were bad people without god" when they saw one of their own take a plunge into the dark side.

I have no idea what was said on the show you did, but it doesn't matter. I had no buisness telling you what's right or wrong. I was raised secular so I hadn't realized that it could be difficult to deconvert without a problem.


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Hah, I believe I'm one of the people you need to "guilt". I reacted the way I did because it was highly suspicious to me atleast that a Christian who recently deconverted was saying "I dislike homosexuals more now without religion" and "I wouldn't do anything to prevent the rape of a child if it was happening infront of me".

No problem man, I understand that....the I dislike homosexuals now more then when i had rekligion, was sort of a shocking revelation for me.

It made me think...hey thats not right, then as I said things changed the attitude changed if you read the thread you will see it.

I think people were just so used to bagging me as a theist that its a attitude that just carried over to when I deconverted.

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It seemed as if you were playing along with what Christians already think of atheists and it pissed me off. Not often does anything piss me off, but I was pretty sure every other theist on the board was thinking "Yep, I knew they were bad people without god" when they saw one of their own take a plunge into the dark side.

I suppose so, but it was MY deconversion, I had to find a way to deal with it and the way I chose to do it was to get AMORAL and build my moral system up from there, to what suits me, I have only one life and I have to live it, no one else can live my life for me and ultimately I need to decide what path I need to take...it evolves daily, things are not the same now as they were yesterday, and they are probably going to be different tommorow.....the process needs to happen and its not as easy as simply saying doG is dead for me.....that simple statement opens up a whole different world and its scary...and the questions you think you had answers for suddenly become questions that need to be evaluated and there is no easy out anymore...no GODDIDIT!

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LOL....it is pretty difficult, and scary but its just something I have to deal with and I am trying my best...I cant ask for anything more from myself.

But I am not going to sweat anyone..I had a chance to tell my side and its done now.....hopefully people will see there is more to SAVAGE then Jesus Walks!

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Well done, Savage! You've been through a crazy few months, I know. Can't wait to hear the show.


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Well done, Savage! You've been through a crazy few months, I know. Can't wait to hear the show.

Thanks man...it just got more crazy:

http://www.infidelguy.com/ftopic-20584-days0-orderasc-140.html

I may have to leave IG :cry:

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Meh, just lay low for awhile. I don't think the mods are that upset with you, but I'd hate to see someone like hurtman leave. He's been a pretty good contributor to the forum and to IG.


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Meh, just lay low for awhile. I don't think the mods are that upset with you, but I'd hate to see someone like hurtman leave. He's been a pretty good contributor to the forum and to IG.

Yeah Hurtman, and now nogods!

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Well done, Savage! You've been through a crazy few months, I know. Can't wait to hear the show.

Thanks man...it just got more crazy:

http://www.infidelguy.com/ftopic-20584-days0-orderasc-140.html

I may have to leave IG :cry:

I am so fucking fed up with some of the people over there right now it's ridiculous. If they do ask you to leave at all (I'm thinking they wont), you know you have a place here.

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Well done, Savage! You've been through a crazy few months, I know. Can't wait to hear the show.

Thanks man...it just got more crazy:

http://www.infidelguy.com/ftopic-20584-days0-orderasc-140.html

I may have to leave IG :cry:

I am so fucking fed up with some of the people over there right now it's ridiculous. If they do ask you to leave at all (I'm thinking they wont), you know you have a place here.

Thanks man, thats means alot to me...deconversion is hard enough without the people dogging me.

Like I said in that thread, the hypocrisy is astounding.

You sterted a thread that said I was making 100 posts a day. And the things Hurtman and Pickachu said were very similar to what they are complaining about now......and not one of the others rushed to my defence, its a clan thing, I am still an outsider, to alot of people still JesusWalks *sigh*, the one thing I admired aboiut atheists as a theist was there openess, there ability to accept, i see that doesnt ring true for everyone.

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the one thing I admired aboiut atheists as a theist was there openess, there ability to accept, i see that doesnt ring true for everyone.

I think in this case some peoples skepticism is greatly outweighing their willingness to accept. However I confess it's one thing to be a skeptic, it's another thing to keep attacking and attacking due to that skepticism. Someone who doesn't believe you've deconverted should speak their piece and then sit back in the cut waiting for time to pass to see where it goes. Assuming with certainty that you're a wolf in sheeps clothing isn't skepticism it's more similar to dogmatism.

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So why do you hate gays more know then before?


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So why do you hate gays more know then before?

I think that may actually be a bad way to word his (current) position considering what he said verbally. I'll let him answer however.

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So why do you hate gays more know then before?

He doesn't, he's simply more concious and fearful of being singled out (not for being gay, he isn't, but for simply associating with them), because now he has an awful lot to lose if people find out about his change of faith. He's being cautious and looking out for himself, he's taking stock and reassessing things. Maybe he'll change some more when he's more comfortable enough to do so as he said, maybe not, but for the time being, I certainly understand why he's watching his back.

Put it this way, if you think South Carolina is conservatve when it comes to issues like this, you haven't been to Fiji.

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So why do you hate gays more know then before?

L:isten to the show.


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So why do you hate gays more know then before?

L:isten to the show.

Yeah, listen to the show you fucking fag!

lol... so just kidding.

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I'm glad I chose such a colorful forum to be a part of :smt021 I disagree with theism as much as the next atheist, but I find it unfortunate that some atheists seem hell bent on not using good taste and the ethics of argument when presenting their thoughts. Everytime someone attacks the person instead of the idea, they fail to realize that they have just earned themselves the zero credibility tag that is synonymous with ignorance, not to mention abandoned most of the hope they could have had for ever possibly getting the other person to accept their views.

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Dudes I just heard the show.....niiiiccceee!


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Dudes I just heard the show.....niiiiccceee!

I hooked yo up in the edit, eh? Your words were much closer together... you sounded smooooooothh.

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Dudes I just heard the show.....niiiiccceee!

I hooked yo up in the edit, eh? Your words were much closer together... you sounded smooooooothh.

Are you trying to say I speak to quickly?

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Are you trying to say I speak to quickly?

LOL... not at all if anything it was just the opposite. But it's not that you speak too quickly or slowly, I liked the way you spoke, but you paused while formulating thoughts often. I just removed the 2 second pauses between a lot of the thoughts, that's what I was referring to. The show is edited like a movie in a way, for entertainment value. Don't feel bad, you should see how many "and stuff like that" I edit out from Mike. Sticking out tongue And Rook and I are horrible with "Ummmmm" whenever we just rant from our heads.

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So why do you hate gays more know then before?

L:isten to the show.

Yeah, listen to the show you fucking fag!

lol... so just kidding.

/Sapient a little drunk

Way to fucking insult one of your paying subscribers, you fucking fuckface.

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Will listen today, keep up the good work!

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I'm happy to be on a board where I can call the moderator a fucking fuckface and not get banned.

Keep up the good work, ass pirate Laughing out loud .

Seriously, love the show.

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Has the Savage show been broadcast/archived yet?


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Has the Savage show been broadcast/archived yet?

#20 here: http://www.freethoughtmedia.com/index.php?do=store&show-cat=30

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#20 here: http://www.freethoughtmedia.com/index.php?do=store&show-cat=30


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Guys the show is on Friday 9pm...I have go conflicting time in Fiji...I know it will be on Saturday the 29th...but yellow said 9am, I calculate 1pm...so who is right, i think its yellow because hes all like brainy and shit, and I am just a Savage...but can we just clear that up and get a third opinion.

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Guys the show is on Friday 9pm...I have go conflicting time in Fiji...I know it will be on Saturday the 29th...but yellow said 9am, I calculate 1pm...so who is right, i think its yellow because hes all like brainy and shit, and I am just a Savage...but can we just clear that up and get a third opinion.

I could be wrong. I honestly do not know. I think I PMed you the link I used to calculate the time. I can try to find it again if you need it.

Did you get your chat issues worked out?

Perhaps Sapient or I could simply give you a call maybe 30 min before the show or something.

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Guys the show is on Friday 9pm...I have go conflicting time in Fiji...I know it will be on Saturday the 29th...but yellow said 9am, I calculate 1pm...so who is right, i think its yellow because hes all like brainy and shit, and I am just a Savage...but can we just clear that up and get a third opinion.

I could be wrong. I honestly do not know. I think I PMed you the link I used to calculate the time. I can try to find it again if you need it.

Did you get your chat issues worked out?

Perhaps Sapient or I could simply give you a call maybe 30 min before the show or something.

My chat issues are cool. Thats alright I will find out from my mom, my brother lived in NY so she would know the difference.

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http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

Look for Suva.

eastern time +16 hours

That means that the show was on at 1:00 pm saturday afternoon in Fiji.

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Oh yeah. Savage was right. At least he won't miss cartoons if they come on that one channel.

Seriously, everyone admires you for your deconversion, dude. It takes a big man to admit they were duped.

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Oh yeah. Savage was right. At least he won't miss cartoons if they come on that one channel.

Seriously, everyone admires you for your deconversion, dude. It takes a big man to admit they were duped.

Thanks dude,

I am just sorry I couldnt connect to the chat room. I hoep it wasnt to crazy in there.

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I am just sorry I couldnt connect to the chat room. I hoep it wasnt to crazy in there.

75 hot atheist bisexual woman swarming around naked hoping to perform on you and for you. But naw... it wasn't too crazy.

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I do think that is the most times in a radio show that I've heard the word 'lesbian'. lol.

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Wow - even more than Howard Stern? :shock:


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I don't count Howard Stern as a radio show. lol. That's pure fluffer porn.

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Current belief?

So did Savage/JesusWalks reconvert?

If so, it's a damn shame. Anybody know for sure? 


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It does appear scanning

It does appear scanning through his posts that the mind virus has returned in him.  I think some of us had a suspicion that this could happen after he made a post a month after his appearance talking about needing to retreat into the woods to find his place in the universe.  He kept talking about how it was hard to live without believing in god.  He should listen to himself on the show for strength, however as often is the case with people who have conversations with us, he has not come back to talk.  People who choose to delude themselves aren't always going to come talk to people who will help them out of their delusions.  He's posting heavily at CF so he can reinforce the beliefs he has chosen to convince himself of, rather than post here to get help for them.

 I wish him well, and hope that he can overcome it. 

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Bummer

Yeah. It's kind of a bummer. He was great on the show - well-spoken, thoughtful, articulate... the sad part about his posts on CF is that he still seems intelligent a lot of the time, but he's also become an utter asshat.

 I can't totally fault him though. I've gotten sucked back into the meme before too. It can feel a lot safer. 

 I hope he figures things out too. 

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From my own conversations

From my own conversations with Darren, as infrequent and absent as they've been since the show, I saw a backslide in the making. It happens, and I'm not surprised. I happened to me as well just a few years ago.

 It's a natural reaction to go two steps forward and one back. No doubt our friend is not the same Christian he was when he came to IG.com a year or so ago. Right now, he's avoiding us for a reason. If one of you could point me toward where he is currently posting, please do. And if you do, make it known that I'm not doing so to bring him "back into the fold" so to speak. I just like the guy, regardless of his beliefs. Truth be told, his "reconversion" if genuine and his reasons for it would make a great show were he willing to share again. Perhaps we could have him argue against himself?

 

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Savage/JesusWalks reconvert?

Mike just locate him through his posts at CF, above. 

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Actually on CF there's some

Actually on CF there's some speculation that he's actually an atheist troll (see this thread). One of the users also pointed me to some recent discussion over on atheistforums.com about the issue (here).

He's definitely on CF now though. I suppose he could be trolling, but maybe he's reconverted, who knows.

Weird.

 

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Quote: From my own

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From my own conversations with Darren, as infrequent and absent as they've been since the show, I saw a backslide in the making. It happens, and I'm not surprised. I happened to me as well just a few years ago.

 

Mike, you may be happy to know that I didnt backslide, just did a little experimenting.

 

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It's a natural reaction to go two steps forward and one back. No doubt our friend is not the same Christian he was when he came to IG.com a year or so ago. Right now, he's avoiding us for a reason. If one of you could point me toward where he is currently posting, please do. And if you do, make it known that I'm not doing so to bring him "back into the fold" so to speak. I just like the guy, regardless of his beliefs. Truth be told, his "reconversion" if genuine and his reasons for it would make a great show were he willing to share again. Perhaps we could have him argue against himself?

 

While I know a explanation is not neccesary, I feel like I would like to give one so here goes.

 

Avoiding you guys has been important, I went back into christianity as a fundamentalist and played the role, redefined my persona and went to a christian forum. The Jesus Walks that i created for CF was a definition of what a tru obedient christian should be (according to me), and it is scary.

 

The fact is that christianity is so much bullshit that even the christians cant agree with themselves, but at least the fundamentalists are mor honest than the liberal christians that shape and mold their sky daddy to suit themselves while being able to hold onto their delusions. I am surprised it took them that long to catch me.

The experience i gained on CF has only solidified my deconversion and now I am more settled.

 

All in all I am doing all right, I sold my businesses and am looking for my new direction...life is good without the sense of pleasing the  'imaginary police" and all the shit that comes along with it.

 

So here I stand, still and atheist and still loving the lesbians.

 

I am sure you guys have a few questions...so fire away. I have had a very interesting experience. 

 

 

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Glad to see you stayed rational.


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I didnt really have much of

I didnt really have much of a choice, once the veil is lifted, it just doesnt fit anymore.

 

I am just glad I got all that crap out of my system. 

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CRY ME A RIVER

 

BUILD ME A BRIDGE

 

BUT IN THE NAME OF NOTHING GET OVER IT.