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get me wrong here,

but most people are completely irrational mainly due to the fact their brain and nervous system aren't developed/evolved as much yet...?

I'm not talking about the churchy that goes but is just to afraid to admit to themselves there is no afterlife.

maybe like... 3-4 generations from now, akbar muhammad and reverend john mark's grandchildren/decends will have rational thought.

...... if we can survive 3-4 generations of irrationality without any nuclear war... holy shit, that sounds like it might be tuff.

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Don't count on it. The history of humanity shows a remarkable facility to persist in knuckleheadedness. Laughing out loud

Folks were killing themselves in large numbers before and after Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Budhhism, Shintoism, etc.

And officially Atheistic socieities haven't been much better.

It's sad really.

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Holmes wrote:

It's sad really.

ya no kiddin.

but if your saying there is really no hope for athiesm, if it were to get to that point ever... then really. what the fuck IS the point.

I'm gonna be optimistic on the subject and disagree, and hope to hell if the world was a complete atheistic society..

we wouldn't blow our asses off the planet

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I wish folks would adopt one or more of various philosophies if they don't choose mine; it certainly would mean a lot less hate, violence, self destructive qualities, etc.

1. Epicureanism I believe was the old Greek Philosophy which basically boiled down to 'all you have is life, so live it to it's fullest'. Those folks wanted to get so much sensation out of life, they deliberately kept themselves fit, ate right, used alcohol in moderation, etc. Cuz they wanted to live as long as possible.

I believe that's what they thought and practised. In a very loose nutshell.

2. Some kind of Moralistic Philosophy. Perhaps Confuscianism, non religious Buddhism, or Enlightenment Age Deism (you can find Jefferson's redlined Bible out on the internet through wikipedia).

I think Atheism, like all other philosophies and theologies, are always subject to the vagaries of fallible humans. If we can screw up practically every other originally noble organizations and movements, why would Atheism be any different?

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I think Atheism, like all other philosophies and theologies, are always subject to the vagaries of fallible humans. If we can screw up practically every other originally noble organizations and movements, why would Atheism be any different?

How exactly is atheism a philosophy of life or a moral system? All atheism entails is not believing in gods.

One can have a moral philosophy in addition to their atheism or lack of belief, including many of the ones you mentioned above.

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k well...
im still a little confused :oops:

let moi be more genral.

Throughout evolution, have studies shown that different societies evolve at faster/slower rates?

mr. yellow number 5 should know this.

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spentley wrote:
k well...
im still a little confused :oops:

let moi be more genral.

Throughout evolution, have studies shown that different societies evolve at faster/slower rates?

mr. yellow number 5 should know this.

That depends on exactly what you mean by "evolve".

Cultural evolution is much different than biological evolution, and unless you're refering to something like say lactose tolerance there isn't much evidence that any particular culture evolves faster biologicially than any other. Biological evolution requires selective pressure, typically from environmental influences. The 10,000 years or so we've been living in relatively organized society isn't much time for biological evolution to hold much sway regardless.

I think your original question is more of a sociological or perhaps memetic variety than a biological one.

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That depends on exactly what you mean by "evolve".

Biological evolution requires selective pressure, typically from environmental influences. The 10,000 years or so we've been living in relatively organized society isn't much time for biological evolution to hold much sway regardless.

So really, in the last 10,000 humans in general haven't evolved.. that much. Despite some societies in the world may be behind?

I should maybe try be more specific.

As an idividual, am I more evolved than a person from brazil that still belongs to a tribe.. so on so forth (basically straight up jungle person).

or am i just more educated.

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spentley wrote:
Yellow_Number_Five wrote:

That depends on exactly what you mean by "evolve".

Biological evolution requires selective pressure, typically from environmental influences. The 10,000 years or so we've been living in relatively organized society isn't much time for biological evolution to hold much sway regardless.

So really, in the last 10,000 humans in general haven't evolved.. that much. Despite some societies in the world may be behind?

Like I said, culture and biology are two different things.

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I should maybe try be more specific.

As an idividual, am I more evolved than a person from brazil that still belongs to a tribe.. so on so forth (basically straight up jungle person).

Absolutely not. Culture is not indicative of biology or vice versa, and even if it were an agrarian culture would not be "more evolved" than a hunter-gather one - just different.

As a point of clarification, no species on earth is "more evolved" than another. Evolution has no ultimate goal. Any species alive and kicking is sucessful and just as evolved as any other.

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...or am i just more educated.

That's relative as well. You may know more science than the tribesman, but I doubt you know how to hunt, catch and butcher a wild boar.

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Yellow_Number_Five wrote:

As a point of clarification, no species on earth is "more evolved" than another. Evolution has no ultimate goal. Any species alive and kicking is sucessful and just as evolved as any other.

k. yes, i understand this now

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That's relative as well. You may know more science than the tribesman, but I doubt you know how to hunt, catch and butcher a wild boar.

I can hunt, catch, and butcher (farm boy here).. and I have the ability to get as a good at it as any tribesman, they would obviously be better, that would be all they do. But, the point is, if i needed to survive that way I would. I would rather have to survive this way, actually.

can tribesman, learn to not believe in a god?

btw, im not saying tribesman are inferrior.. i think its a valid question and I don't know the answer.

what difference is there between people who act on pure instinct and people who act by thinking first. - i thought it had to do with evolution

or is it my instinct to think first, then do.. which is in fact... "acting on pure instinct". Or Was I educated since the time I was born and developed questionable thoughts.

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can tribesman, learn to not believe in a god?

Sure, why wouldn't they be able to? Probably easier to educate an indigenous person than fundamentalist Christian, actually.

Christians have actually heard the scientific and logical explanations for things, and are still in willful denial.

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btw, im not saying tribesman are inferrior.. i think its a valid question and I don't know the answer.

what difference is there between people who act on pure instinct and people who act by thinking first. - i thought it had to do with evolution

I never said you thought they were inferior.

As far as instinct goes, I don't imagine that any group of people behave more instinctually than another. We are conditioned by evolution to have certain reactions to certain things.

Phobias are a good example. Many of us are wired to fear snakes and spiders and other creepy crawlies.

We all act instinctionally and we all use reason at times. I'm sure it varies by individual and circumstance, and perhaps by culture as well. The main problem is that elucidating just the biological aspect of the countless variables that go into the decision making process is a daunting task.

[..or is it my instinct to think first, then do.. which is in fact... "acting on pure instinct". Or Was I educated since the time I was born and developed questionable thoughts.

Both. I'm sure if you examine your life you will find plenty of instances where you acted on instinct, as well as times where you reasoned your way to a conclusion. I'm sure it's the same for everyone on earth.

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Both. I'm sure if you examine your life you will find plenty of instances where you acted on instinct, as well as times where you reasoned your way to a conclusion. I'm sure it's the same for everyone on earth.

Yea, I agree

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In the human lineage alone

In the human lineage alone ,which are direct and which direct ancestral types .And there sure are more to come to make the anti-evolutionist shudder more. There are other kinds of evidence also.Look at all the hirsute people now .

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