1 Thessalonians 2:14-15

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1 Thessalonians 2:14-15

I was wondering how these verses are explained from a mythicist standpoint.

1 Thessalonians 2:14-15 NASB

 

14For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea, for you also endured the same sufferings at the hands of your own countrymen, even as they did from the Jews,

15who both killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out. They are not pleasing to God, but hostile to all men,

 

Do mythicists think the Jews killed Jesus in heaven? Is this part not Pauline? In the Pre-Nicene NT, Price writes, "It is impossible to imagine a Jew, even a sectarian Jew regarding his sect as the "true Israel," speaking of Jews in this manner, which reeks of typical Hellenistic anti-Semitism." (pg. 430) He is very agnostic about whether Paul wrote the epistles attributed to him anyway. What do you think Rook, or anyone?

 


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Ummm... How about the Bible

Ummm... How about the Bible is complete and total fiction and nothing in it deserves to be taken seriously?

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So lets use the book to

So lets use the book to prove what it says that makes a hell of a lot of since. Ever heard of circular logic?


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I did not post that to try

I did not post that to try to "prove" the Bible. Just trying to get the mythicist viewpoint. Maybe I should have put this in the Mythicist Campaign forum.


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Yea that would have been a

Yea that would have been a better place. I would not have assumed that you were trying to prove the bible with your quote had it been in the appropiate forum.


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I'm with you, Matt.  Why waste time trying to be rational in explaining an irrational, delusional book.  Incidentally, Nazis used this particular quote from Thessalonians to prove that Jews are evil. 


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Bahana wrote:

I was wondering how these verses are explained from a mythicist standpoint.

1 Thessalonians 2:14-15 NASB

 

14For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea, for you also endured the same sufferings at the hands of your own countrymen, even as they did from the Jews,

15who both killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out. They are not pleasing to God, but hostile to all men,

 

Do mythicists think the Jews killed Jesus in heaven? Is this part not Pauline? In the Pre-Nicene NT, Price writes, "It is impossible to imagine a Jew, even a sectarian Jew regarding his sect as the "true Israel," speaking of Jews in this manner, which reeks of typical Hellenistic anti-Semitism." (pg. 430) He is very agnostic about whether Paul wrote the epistles attributed to him anyway. What do you think Rook, or anyone?

 

 

Interestingly, the New King James Version (NKJV) has the word Judeans instead of Jews at the end of the verse which corresponds more with the original Greek as well as the word Judea in the same verse before.

The word Judean gives it a more past (then and there) historical feel of around 2000 years ago where as the word Jew gives it a more present (here and now) current feel which is incorrect since it happened back then.  

A similar thing would be like using the word Italian (present) instead of the word Roman (past) and vice a versa.  It is important to translate things as best as possible in order to convey the best possible meaning across.  


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Bahana wrote:I was wondering

Bahana wrote:

I was wondering how these verses are explained from a mythicist standpoint.

1 Thessalonians 2:14-15 NASB

 

14For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea, for you also endured the same sufferings at the hands of your own countrymen, even as they did from the Jews,

15who both killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out. They are not pleasing to God, but hostile to all men,

 

Do mythicists think the Jews killed Jesus in heaven? Is this part not Pauline? In the Pre-Nicene NT, Price writes, "It is impossible to imagine a Jew, even a sectarian Jew regarding his sect as the "true Israel," speaking of Jews in this manner, which reeks of typical Hellenistic anti-Semitism." (pg. 430) He is very agnostic about whether Paul wrote the epistles attributed to him anyway. What do you think Rook, or anyone?

 

I don't understand the part that you ask if the Jews killed JC in heaven. !st --this is after the fact of JC's death, which means  they were persecuted by their own race. No, I don't think Christians think JC was killed in heaven. JC's religion was not Jewish, but his genetic line is Hebrew. JC can easily be considered a myth as there is no historical evidence (outside his own followers) that he existed. There would have to be a record of his trial to show his existence. Long before JC's arrival the Hebrews had already fallen away from their original religion.

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I don't understand the part that you ask if the Jews killed JC in heaven. !st --this is after the fact of JC's death, which means  they were persecuted by their own race. No, I don't think Christians think JC was killed in heaven. JC's religion was not Jewish, but his genetic line is Hebrew. JC can easily be considered a myth as there is no historical evidence (outside his own followers) that he existed. There would have to be a record of his trial to show his existence. Long before JC's arrival the Hebrews had already fallen away from their original religion.

 

yes, I think it's sad they began to worship an inscribed god instead of a graven, very sad indeed. 

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