Canada is the #1 destination in the world for medical tourism

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Canada is the #1 destination in the world for medical tourism

Suck it Trump & EXC & all the other ignorant idiots in the US who defend the practice of bankrupting people in exchange for medical services. No country in the world has a higher ranking for foreigners coming for medical treatment than Canada does.

The US isn't even in the top 5, by the way.

http://www.medicaltourismindex.com/overview/destination-ranking/

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Hear hear.

Or is it Here here. IMO there are some things that do not, or should not have commercial value, and that's people's health. The greed show ahs really gone to far. Obamacare is a bust. We're dealing with people's lives when it come to many peoples health. Health should be free except all pay a tax to cover everyone, and keep the insurance companies out of the deal. The VA health system is an example (altho not perfect) has doctors under contract for 2 years. I am in the VA system and very familiar with it's workings. I copay any medications needed, not much at this time---yet. All copay is 7 bucks no matter what the medication may be. I pay 21 dollas becasue I'm not in the finacial needs group and the extra money goes for the medications of those that have less means. So, I pay for 2 more vets that need more help them ma and leaves me with noting to bitvh about.

A federal system simular to this would be just dandy. The insurance companies (that amde up the plans) have already priced the low incomers out of health care---so what use was it. All health care and drug research , medical supplys and such should be in the public domains responsibility, just as Interstae highways. As long as government has zillions of regulation and personel in these areas anyway, why can't the people own the health care means. I would not mind paying a monthly fee geared to income so others can have the bennies I do.

Commercialism has it's place but in people's health---not so. Profits from people's suffereing really pisses me off big time. Harray for Canada.

The insurance companies yell a bawl about socialism, Well hells bells, socialism has it place also in certain regards.

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 Most of our allies don't

 Most of our allies don't have their heads up their asses like America does when it comes to health care. But again, all this crap started with Reagan and his deregulation and corporate protectionism. Our left in that 36 years has failed as voters in midterm and local election turnout which has caused our politians for far to long to be controled by their "cold war commie" narrative. 

Canada gets lots more right both economically and socially.

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 You completely

 You completely misunderstand my position. I have nothing against people joining whatever health plan they wish. What I object to is anyone putting a gun to my head to force me to pay for something I don't want or need. I'd rather die than be a slave to the medical industry. I'm glad Canada, Mexico, Thailand and many other countries are alternative to the US for some procedures. I don't need to be forced into do what is best for myself, thank you.

If you live in USA and love the Canadian way, start a non-profit Health plan with the same rules, just don't put a gun to my head and ask me to pay for it. I've suggested before that Canada should let US citizens buy into their system. If you're right, Canada would make a huge profit. But, If something is rational, why must deadly force be used?

I refuse to buy US health insurance, because of the bullshit of big pharma and rest. I will go overseas and Canada for any medicine I would need, say I'm "Undocumented" if I need to go to emergency room while I'm in USA. Never ever give out your SSN to anyone.

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Vastet wrote:Suck it Trump &

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Suck it Trump & EXC & all the other ignorant idiots in the US who defend the practice of bankrupting people in exchange for medical services. No country in the world has a higher ranking for foreigners coming for medical treatment than Canada does. The US isn't even in the top 5, by the way. http://www.medicaltourismindex.com/overview/destination-ranking/

Don't look now Vastet, but I completely agree. But again, that is also a result of Reagan's deregulation.

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EXC wrote: You completely

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 You completely misunderstand my position. I have nothing against people joining whatever health plan they wish. What I object to is anyone putting a gun to my head to force me to pay for something I don't want or need. I'd rather die than be a slave to the medical industry. I'm glad Canada, Mexico, Thailand and many other countries are alternative to the US for some procedures. I don't need to be forced into do what is best for myself, thank you.

If you live in USA and love the Canadian way, start a non-profit Health plan with the same rules, just don't put a gun to my head and ask me to pay for it. I've suggested before that Canada should let US citizens buy into their system. If you're right, Canada would make a huge profit. But, If something is rational, why must deadly force be used?

I refuse to buy US health insurance, because of the bullshit of big pharma and rest. I will go overseas and Canada for any medicine I would need, say I'm "Undocumented" if I need to go to emergency room while I'm in USA. Never ever give out your SSN to anyone.

Deadly force has never been used to make people pay for healthcare in Canada, so your whole premise is ridiculous.

Also, Canadian healthcare cannot be extended to US citizens without provoking protectionist measures by the US government. The mere suggestion proves how little you know about your own country, which is quite funny.

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Vastet wrote: Deadly force

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 Deadly force has never been used to make people pay for healthcare in Canada, so your whole premise is ridiculous.
 Really? You don't pay your taxes in Canada, the government just sends a friendly reminders instead of an armed deputy? http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/true-cost-of-health-care-to-average-family-is-11k-per-year-report-1.2525114  Will you ever get that government is just a nice was of saying deadly force? 
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Also, Canadian healthcare cannot be extended to US citizens without provoking protectionist measures by the US government.
 Of couse I knew that. Congress, Bush, Obama and Clinton were bought and paid for by Big Pharma. It a miracle they still let us buy some Candian drugs. I guess they can't find the money to secure the Candian border to keep us from leaving. Hillary will secure this boarder to keep us home and poor slaves of the medical industry. Trump is the only hope to change this.  

 

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EXC wrote:Really? Yes

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Really?

Yes really.

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You don't pay your taxes in Canada, the government just sends a friendly reminders instead of an armed deputy? http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/true-cost-of-health-care-to-average-family-is-11k-per-year-report-1.2525114  Will you ever get that government is just a nice was of saying deadly force? 

Force does not equal deadly force. You have to be a deadly force to warrant the use of deadly force in Canada, and even then there will be years of hearings, questions, and possibly even trials as a consequence. Not paying your taxes won't get you executed here. Maybe it's different in the US.

Maybe you think paying taxes is theft, but the fact of the matter is that we all agree to pay taxes as a cost of citizenship. We get a lot of benefits for being Canadian citizens, so it is only fair that we pay for them. Anyone who thinks the cost outweighs the benefits is free to leave and renounce their citizenship. There is no theft, merely a contract between the people and the government.

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Vastet wrote:EXC

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Really?
Yes really.
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You don't pay your taxes in Canada, the government just sends a friendly reminders instead of an armed deputy? http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/true-cost-of-health-care-to-average-family-is-11k-per-year-report-1.2525114  Will you ever get that government is just a nice was of saying deadly force? 
Force does not equal deadly force. You have to be a deadly force to warrant the use of deadly force in Canada, and even then there will be years of hearings, questions, and possibly even trials as a consequence. Not paying your taxes won't get you executed here. Maybe it's different in the US. Maybe you think paying taxes is theft, but the fact of the matter is that we all agree to pay taxes as a cost of citizenship. We get a lot of benefits for being Canadian citizens, so it is only fair that we pay for them. Anyone who thinks the cost outweighs the benefits is free to leave and renounce their citizenship. There is no theft, merely a contract between the people and the government.

I can see you've fallen for the propaganda of the nanny state. Only the nanny carries a gun when they arrest for not paying taxes. So it is what it is, deadly force.

As much as you and Brian wish govrnement was Santa Claus with a magic wand, government is and always will be deadly force. Constantly using deadly force to make one group of people subsidize other groups is irrational and unsustainable.

 

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EXC wrote:I can see you've

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I can see you've fallen for the propaganda of the nanny state. Only the nanny carries a gun when they arrest for not paying taxes. So it is what it is, deadly force.

Nope. Deadly force doesn't happen just because someone using force has the capability of using deadly force. I have more than sufficient training to qualify as a deadly weapon whether or not I'm armed. I couldn't take on a professional fighter and stand much of a chance, but against any random individual I'm most likely to win a confrontation. So by your logic, I was using deadly force to enforce corporate policy while I was in security. Every time I told a homeless person to move along, I was using deadly force.

But that's clearly ridiculous. If the homeless person didn't move along as requested I didn't snap his neck. I used force to make them move, but it was never deadly force. It only would have become deadly force if the homeless person used deadly force to resist. At which point I'm defending myself.

Deadly force is a result of escalation, it is not a standard practice. Not in Canada.

Also, the contract between the government and the people is not propaganda. If it were, I wouldn't have access to the services my taxes pay for. But I do have access to the services my taxes pay for, so there is no propaganda. By definition, propaganda requires a lie to be propaganda. As the services we pay for aren't lies, they cannot be propaganda. QED.

You clearly have no comprehension of how a real democracy works, which is to be expected as you don't live in a democratic society and have no experience with real democracy. But the fact remains that you are wrong, and always have been wrong.

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Vastet wrote:So by your

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So by your logic, I was using deadly force to enforce corporate policy while I was in security. Every time I told a homeless person to move along, I was using deadly force. But that's clearly ridiculous. If the homeless person didn't move along as requested I didn't snap his neck. I used force to make them move, but it was never deadly force. It only would have become deadly force if the homeless person used deadly force to resist. At which point I'm defending myself. Deadly force is a result of escalation, it is not a standard practice. Not in Canada.

If you are a security officer without a gun and someone doesn't respect your athority, you call the police(a man with a gun). You have the threat of escalation to deadly force at every step. If you didn't have this backup you would have no power at all.

 

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Also, the contract between the government and the people is not propaganda. If it were, I wouldn't have access to the services my taxes pay for.

The propaganda is that it must be foreced upon everyone. If someone has a good product or service, you don't have to put a gun to people's heads to force everyone to buy it.

Also if the health care was such a good deal, why doesn't Canada let Americans buy full insurance coverage for those that want to cross the border for treatment? Your treasuries would be overflowing with cash, right?

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EXC wrote:If you are a

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If you are a security officer without a gun and someone doesn't respect your athority, you call the police(a man with a gun).

No. The only times (2 in 12 years) I ever called the police was when I felt my life was in danger and I didn't have the tools to protect myself adequately. Or the one time I arrested someone and had to hand him over to the police.

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You have the threat of escalation to deadly force at every step.

Then so does everyone everywhere every time they encounter another person. Your reasoning is absurd.

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The propaganda is that it must be foreced upon everyone.

That doesn't happen and isn't propaganda.
I already told you how ANY Canadian can get out of paying taxes, which absolutely proves Canadians aren't forced to pay taxes. If you take advantage of services and don't pay taxes then you're a thief.

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Also if the health care was such a good deal, why doesn't Canada let Americans buy full insurance coverage for those that want to cross the border for treatment? Your treasuries would be overflowing with cash, right?

I literally proved this ridiculous in this very topic already. You always had a poor memory and always repeated claims that were completely refuted, but never before this quickly. Do you have alzheimers?

Also, the Canadian health system isn't a for-profit system. If this impossibility were actually possible and was carried out, all that would happen is US citizens getting access to better healthcare. Canada wouldn't profit from it.

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 Let me guess, you've never

 Let me guess, you've never played chess or if you did you totally sucked at it. 

It doesn't matter if a security guard ever calls a cop or a cop ever draws his gun. The threat is enough to work except for suicidal or mentally ill people.

The Canadian government and any government does use deadly force to collect taxes. The being nice act is meant to fool you into being accepting of their authority. But the fact remains, you don't cooperate, then deadly force will be used against you.

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EXC wrote:Let me guess,

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Let me guess, you've never played chess or if you did you totally sucked at it. 

Wrong on both counts.

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It doesn't matter if a security guard ever calls a cop or a cop ever draws his gun.

Yes it does.

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The threat is enough to work except for suicidal or mentally ill people.

No it isn't. I can run from a cop without fear of getting shot, unless I'm a clear and present danger to other people. In which case any force the police use is probably justified. I know I'm not going to get shot for anything less than being a threat to other lives. Because I live in a free country.
You don't, so your fear is justified. But your fear is not applicable in my country. If you're scared of Canadian cops and you haven't done anything to warrant being fearful, then I advise you take off your tinfoil hat.

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The Canadian government and any government does use deadly force to collect taxes.

Lies, as I already demonstrated.

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But the fact remains, you don't cooperate, then deadly force will be used against you.

Nope. Not once in all of Canadian history was anyone ever killed for not paying taxes. Period. End of discussion.

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http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/niagara-on-the-lake-resident-fined-168235-and-sent-to-jail-for-tax-evasion-2145961.htm

 

So when they came to arrest him, they didn't carry a gun? He could have just pointed a gun at them and ordered them out of his home?

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He wasn't killed, therefore

He wasn't killed, therefore deadly force wasn't used. QED.

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