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 Ok. I'm sure most of you have seen my posts. I love Jesus. He is my savior. That doesn't change.

I have accepted who I am. I have desires for men. I do not want these desires, however, to destroy my marriage. I love my wife and kids. They r all I have. I will suffer through my desires to be with a man to keep my marriage safe.

I've made it 5 years, not comfortably, but 5 years without that type of intimacy, and I struggle, but I know it's worth it.

I think by finally, this week, coming to terms with who I am is a good thing, and it will help, but I need to keep these desires in check.

 

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Well it really doesn't

Well it really doesn't matter to me whether you prefer guys or girls. And noone here is in a position to tell you what to do or what is right or wrong. We can give you our opinions, but they are just our opinions.

What matters is what YOU think is right and wrong, and what you do about it; if anything.

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So what's your position on

So what's your position on gay marriage?

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 We got you? Did I miss the part where people speculated it? 

 

That said, if this is an honest admission, good on you for having the courage to say it. Of course it's not that anyone here would criticize you for being gay or bi. However, you would be at risk of being labeled a hypocrite. So what do you do from here?

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JesusLovesYou wrote: I have

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I have accepted who I am. I have desires for men.

 

     Most Christians of your doctrinal ilk insist that sexual preference is a choice.  Apparently this is where you choose to disagree ?

 

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I do not want these desires, however, to destroy my marriage.

 

        If you are truly bisexual  then your sexual desires for another woman could just as easily destroy your marriage.   You are doubly cursed. ( not making fun of you, there )  All romantic relationships be they hetero, homo, or a bisexual are subject to being broken by outside temptations.   That's just the way things are unfortunately.    Pray about it, seek Christian counseling or whatever helps you the most but until you reach advanced age and your sexual needs dimish you...like every one else...will always be tempted by someone, somewhere.   Good luck.

 


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 This is what I hate about

 This is what I hate about what religion does to people, not just Christianity, but others as well.

If you have urges to have sex with men, or if you are bi, no one should judge you for that. If you are in a relationship, it would not be the sex act, with a man or woman, behind their back, that makes it wrong, it would be the hiding and lying to the partner. No one should judge you for your sexual orientation. It is a myth that LGBT or their supporters are out to promote public orgies or child molestation, or even having affairs. Gays and Lesbians are perfectly capable of monogomy just as heterosexuals are perfectly capable of having affairs. You can be gay, or bi, still have safe sex and be honest with yourself.

 

The self loathing taught to you with the word "sin" has not allowed you to be honest with yourself and be yourself. Long before you got into this marriage, maybe if you had been shown by others it was ok to be yourself, you could have made better plans. 

But since you are in it now, only you can judge how to move forward. No one can judge how you deal with this because we are not personally in it. I think maybe it is more you don't want those urges because you don't want to hurt your family, not because your urges are wrong. I'd consider the source of why you were tought those urges were bad. 

I hope for your sake you can figure things out so that you don't have to live a lie. Living in a mental prison is emotionally draining. Start with honesty with yourself first. Accept yourself first instead of buying a script others sold you. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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 I promote orgies, public

 I promote orgies, public or private. That being said, how could a good god consider any act of love immoral? 

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 I promote orgies, public or private. That being said, how could a good god consider any act of love immoral? 

There are rare times where I agree with you, this is one of those times. But the human concocted concept of a god is what causes this needless fear of the other. It is a very antiquated evolutionary argument from ignorance due to our species lack of understanding of nature. 

LGBTs have every right as our fellow species to be as happy in their lives as heterosexuals. 

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 Did I believe my "feelings" to be a choice? Yes. I fought myself for 15 years. I now say that people who say that do not understand, because I realize now that if it were I wouldn't have this struggle.

But what AM I doing? Accepting my feelings, and putting them aside because I DID fall in love with my wife and I DO love her.

Jesus said in the Gospels, deny yourself, take up your cross, and follow me. I truly understand that now. 

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JesusLovesYou wrote: Did I

JesusLovesYou wrote:

 Did I believe my "feelings" to be a choice? Yes. I fought myself for 15 years. I now say that people who say that do not understand, because I realize now that if it were I wouldn't have this struggle.

But what AM I doing? Accepting my feelings, and putting them aside because I DID fall in love with my wife and I DO love her.

Jesus said in the Gospels, deny yourself, take up your cross, and follow me. I truly understand that now. 

Fair. So what do you say to those men who have 0 sexual desires for women, and don't have that choice? Would you tell them that they're wrong for marrying their boyfriends?

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JesusLovesYou wrote: Did I

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 Did I believe my "feelings" to be a choice? Yes. I fought myself for 15 years. I now say that people who say that do not understand, because I realize now that if it were I wouldn't have this struggle.

So god fucked up. 

 

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But what AM I doing? Accepting my feelings, and putting them aside because I DID fall in love with my wife and I DO love her.

I don't think anyone here cares what you do. But speaking just for me, whether you want to leave your desires unsatisfied or have daily gay orgies in a crack house, I find both choices equally acceptable in that neither one is any of my business. Whatever floats your boat. Hell, there is a whole kink related to sexual denial, they make all sorts of chastity devices and it really excites some people. Personally, I'm a hedonist so it isn't really my thing, but I don't care, just don't sit around passing laws telling me what or what not to do.

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 Did I believe my "feelings" to be a choice? Yes. I fought myself for 15 years. I now say that people who say that do not understand, because I realize now that if it were I wouldn't have this struggle.

But what AM I doing? Accepting my feelings, and putting them aside because I DID fall in love with my wife and I DO love her.

Jesus said in the Gospels, deny yourself, take up your cross, and follow me. I truly understand that now. 

Fair. So what do you say to those men who have 0 sexual desires for women, and don't have that choice? Would you tell them that they're wrong for marrying their boyfriends?

What Jesus said.....deny yourself take up your cross and follow me.

 

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JesusLovesYou wrote:Did I

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Did I believe my "feelings" to be a choice? Yes. I fought myself for 15 years. I now say that people who say that do not understand, because I realize now that if it were I wouldn't have this struggle.

According to scripture, god actually turned people gay (as punishment for not worshipping him) -- implying they had no choice in it:  

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

--Romans 1:26-27

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What Jesus said.....deny yourself take up your cross and follow me.
Speaking of self-denial, how's Ted Haggard coming along?

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JesusLovesYou wrote: Did I

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 Did I believe my "feelings" to be a choice? Yes.

 

   Which implies that you could simply choose to not have homosexual desires.   Permanently.

 

   

 

 

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I fought myself for 15 years. I now say that people who say that do not understand, because I realize now that if it were I wouldn't have this struggle.

 

    

    Which implies just the opposite.

 

 

 

 

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But what AM I doing? Accepting my feelings, and putting them aside....

 

 

 

   Congratulations, you are in total conflict with the doctrinal beliefs of a vast majority of Christians both Catholic and protestant who insist sexual preference is a choice.  You are now moving away from accepted orthodoxy and moving towards biblical heresy. 

 


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JesusLovesYou wrote:

Jabberwocky wrote:

JesusLovesYou wrote:

 Did I believe my "feelings" to be a choice? Yes. I fought myself for 15 years. I now say that people who say that do not understand, because I realize now that if it were I wouldn't have this struggle.

But what AM I doing? Accepting my feelings, and putting them aside because I DID fall in love with my wife and I DO love her.

Jesus said in the Gospels, deny yourself, take up your cross, and follow me. I truly understand that now. 

Fair. So what do you say to those men who have 0 sexual desires for women, and don't have that choice? Would you tell them that they're wrong for marrying their boyfriends?

What Jesus said.....deny yourself take up your cross and follow me.

 

Am I missing something? What was Jesus' actual commentary on gay relations in the bible?

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JesusLovesYou wrote: Ok.

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 Ok. I'm sure most of you have seen my posts. I love Jesus. He is my savior. That doesn't change.

I have accepted who I am. I have desires for men. I do not want these desires, however, to destroy my marriage. I love my wife and kids. They r all I have. I will suffer through my desires to be with a man to keep my marriage safe.

I've made it 5 years, not comfortably, but 5 years without that type of intimacy, and I struggle, but I know it's worth it.

I think by finally, this week, coming to terms with who I am is a good thing, and it will help, but I need to keep these desires in check.

This doesn't jive.

I'm calling bullshit on you.


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I don't get it. You say it

I don't get it. You say it was a choice, but then you say you fought yourself for 15 years and that you have 'accepted' your 'feelings.' So clearly, you weren't able to choose your feelings.

Are you saying that you can't determine your feelings, but you can determine your behavior? Iow, you can choose how you act on your feelings? Or are you saying something else?

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JesusLovesYou wrote:

 Did I believe my "feelings" to be a choice? Yes. I fought myself for 15 years. I now say that people who say that do not understand, because I realize now that if it were I wouldn't have this struggle.

So god fucked up. 

 

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But what AM I doing? Accepting my feelings, and putting them aside because I DID fall in love with my wife and I DO love her.

I don't think anyone here cares what you do. But speaking just for me, whether you want to leave your desires unsatisfied or have daily gay orgies in a crack house, I find both choices equally acceptable in that neither one is any of my business. Whatever floats your boat. Hell, there is a whole kink related to sexual denial, they make all sorts of chastity devices and it really excites some people. Personally, I'm a hedonist so it isn't really my thing, but I don't care, just don't sit around passing laws telling me what or what not to do.

Typical free market "no rules" moron. Just when I think you have some semblence of decency you say stupid shit like this.

Yea, lets not have laws against murder. Ok, since everything should be a free for all, can I murder you? No? Didn't think so. So just adimit you are not agains t laws, just ones that you don't agree with. Just admit you don't like losing.

 

 

 

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Brian37 wrote:Typical free

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Typical free market "no rules" moron.

Typical make-shit-up-because-I'm-a-moron Brian.

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Just when I think you have some semblence of decency you say stupid shit like this.

Considering Brian is the worst piece of shit to ever post on this site, his opinions about anyone and everyone else are worthless.

Brian37 wrote:
Yea, lets not have laws against murder.

Brian is ironically the only one who advocates for murder.

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Ok, since everything should be a free for all, can I murder you?

If only. Then we could kill Brian first and do the entire species a favour.

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So just adimit you are not agains t laws, just ones that you don't agree with. Just admit you don't like losing.

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Brian37 wrote:Typical free

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Typical free market "no rules" moron. Just when I think you have some semblence of decency you say stupid shit like this.

Yea, lets not have laws against murder. Ok, since everything should be a free for all, can I murder you? No? Didn't think so. So just adimit you are not agains t laws, just ones that you don't agree with. Just admit you don't like losing.

So gay orgies are equal to murder in your mind? Homophobe.

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 I am making a choice


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JesusLovesYou wrote: I am

JesusLovesYou wrote:

 I am making a choice

People don't make a choice on their DNA. Being gay is not a choice.


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JesusLovesYou wrote: I am

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 I am making a choice

 

        Unh hunh .... so your "choice" simply amounts to mumbling 1 Corinthians 10:13 over and over while gritting your teeth and trying not to think about having sex with a man.  Yep, it's obvious you and God have it all under control.  I'm so happy for you !


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 I am making a choice

 

        Unh hunh .... so your "choice" simply amounts to mumbling 1 Corinthians 10:13 over and over while gritting your teeth and trying not to think about having sex with a man.  Yep, it's obvious you and God have it all under control.  I'm so happy for you !

He's full of shit. He's about as gay as a lumberjack...


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 I am not in conflict with

 I am not in conflict with anything. "Denominational" doctrine doesn't matter. What matters is what the Word of God says.

Jesus said deny yourself and follow me...IOW put aside what you want, your desires, etc. and partake in the spiritual gift that Christ is giving you.

my wife and kids are my whole world and they deserve my everything. They r what matters. 

I acknowledge my shortfall, and move on, giving God the glory

 

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JesusLovesYou wrote: I am

JesusLovesYou wrote:

 I am not in conflict with anything. "Denominational" doctrine doesn't matter. What matters is what the Word of God says.

Jesus said deny yourself and follow me...IOW put aside what you want, your desires, etc. and partake in the spiritual gift that Christ is giving you.

my wife and kids are my whole world and they deserve my everything. They r what matters. 

I acknowledge my shortfall, and move on, giving God the glory

You still haven't attempted to answer my serious question. "how could a good god consider any act of love immoral?"

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JesusLovesYou wrote:

 I am not in conflict with anything. "Denominational" doctrine doesn't matter. What matters is what the Word of God says.

Jesus said deny yourself and follow me...IOW put aside what you want, your desires, etc. and partake in the spiritual gift that Christ is giving you.

my wife and kids are my whole world and they deserve my everything. They r what matters. 

I acknowledge my shortfall, and move on, giving God the glory

You still haven't attempted to answer my serious question. "how could a good god consider any act of love immoral?"

first you need to define what love is. How is it love, as God had defined love

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In other words you aren't going to get an answer. Theists who allow the bible to define words instead of dictionaries are incapable of meaningful communication.

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In other words you aren't going to get an answer. Theists who allow the bible to define words instead of dictionaries are incapable of meaningful communication.

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Vastet wrote:In other words

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In other words you aren't going to get an answer. Theists who allow the bible to define words instead of dictionaries are incapable of meaningful communication.

Yeah, I didn't actually expect a straight answer, but it is still a little disappointing.

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 Maybe we need to start a

 Maybe we need to start a sticky thread with definitions of all the common words theists pretend they don't understand.

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If only we could force them to actually read it...

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JesusLovesYou wrote:

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In other words you aren't going to get an answer. Theists who allow the bible to define words instead of dictionaries are incapable of meaningful communication.

For God so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son

Sounds like hate to me.

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Beyond Saving wrote: Yeah,

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Yeah, I didn't actually expect a straight answer, but it is still a little disappointing.

 

   He's doing the same mealy-mouth bullshit that he did with us in his "The Threat of Atheism" thread.  If the line of questioning doesn't go the way he wants it to he starts throwing out scripture/babble to avoid answering the question.


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 Do not love the world or

 Do not love the world or the things of this world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in Him

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JesusLovesYou wrote:  Do

JesusLovesYou wrote:

 Do not love the world or the things of this world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in Him.

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I love my wife and kids. They r all I have.

Are your wife and kids not of this world?

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You guys realize that he

You guys realize that he gets more sympathy from us than he would get from a lot of Creationist websites. I assume his wife is a conservative Christian as well, and he raised his kids to be conservative Christians. He pretty much can't tell anyone he knows in real life? I assume? So he confesses to an atheist website, composed of people who regard his entire worldview as a combination of indoctrination and self delusion at this point.  

I....kind of feel sorry for him. 

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Nah, he's not gay and he's

Nah, he's not gay and he's not a theist. He's trying to be a stereotype of how the average atheist views the average sexually repressed, homophobic theist in the christian church. He's not doing a horrible job at it, I'll give him that.

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Vastet wrote:Nah, he's not

Vastet wrote:
Nah, he's not gay and he's not a theist. He's trying to be a stereotype of how the average atheist views the average sexually repressed, homophobic theist in the christian church. He's not doing a horrible job at it, I'll give him that.

que?

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Vastet wrote:Nah, he's not

Vastet wrote:
Nah, he's not gay and he's not a theist. He's trying to be a stereotype of how the average atheist views the average sexually repressed, homophobic theist in the christian church. He's not doing a horrible job at it, I'll give him that.

You forgot that they are a troll.


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Same difference. Any theist

Same difference. Any theist who hops on the internet and makes any effort whatsoever to convert people outside a theist site is a troll.

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digitalbeachbum wrote:

Vastet wrote:
Nah, he's not gay and he's not a theist. He's trying to be a stereotype of how the average atheist views the average sexually repressed, homophobic theist in the christian church. He's not doing a horrible job at it, I'll give him that.

You forgot that they are a troll.

 

I always wondered that about JLY - I hope so. Being a christian with homoerotic fantasies would be a challenging proposition.

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Atheistextremist wrote:Being

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Being a christian with homoerotic fantasies would be a challenging proposition.




happens all the time. it's called "joining the priesthood."

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