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Happy Cinco De Mayo

 Happy Cinco de Mayo, a good day to remember the fact that the French suck and a good excuse to drink margaritas and eat tacos, because a celebration just wouldn't be American without cheap booze and perversions of ethnic food.

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 Would Mexico have been a

 Would Mexico have been a better place if the French had won?


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 Would Mexico have been a better place if the French had won?

The French did win the war, quite convincingly.

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Beyond Saving wrote: and a

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 and a good excuse to drink margaritas and eat tacos, because a celebration just wouldn't be American without cheap booze and perversions of ethnic food.

 

   I live in Texas therefore May 5 is no more propitious for eating Mexican food than May 4 or May 6.  It's like eating rice if you live in Viet Nam.  It's what we do.  ( shrugs shoulders )

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 Would Mexico have been a better place if the French had won?

The French did win the war, quite convincingly.

I thought they won the battle but lost the war


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digitalbeachbum wrote:Beyond

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 Would Mexico have been a better place if the French had won?

The French did win the war, quite convincingly.

I thought they won the battle but lost the war

The Mexicans won the battle, hence the holiday, they ultimately lost the war and the French ruled Mexico until 1868 or 1869 (too damn lazy to google it now) when America threatened to go to war with them over it. At which point the French did what they do best and beat a hasty retreat, leaving their stooges to be hung.

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I find the American tendency

I find the American tendency to insult the French military amusing since you wouldn't have ever won independence from the British without their help. Especially since the French actually conducted and won wars without any help, which the US has never done.

In the history of war, France > USA.

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Vastet wrote:I find the

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I find the American tendency to insult the French military amusing since you wouldn't have ever won independence from the British without their help. Especially since the French actually conducted and won wars without any help, which the US has never done. In the history of war, France > USA.

War of 1812, Mexican-American War and Spanish American War and the mass genocide of the Indians. The French never exterminated entire populations.

 

Besides, 'Merica is the only country that matters in any war, read any history book written in America you Canadian Commie. America Fuck Yeah!

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The war of 1812 you lost.

The war of 1812 you lost. And would have lost in less than a year if not for Napoleon.

I guess you have me on the other two. > >

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Vastet wrote:The war of 1812

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The war of 1812 you lost. And would have lost in less than a year if not for Napoleon.



yeah, one of my british friends laid the same line of bullshit on me once.

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It's not bullshit. Something

It's not bullshit. Something like 90% of the royal navy was occupied off the coast of Europe. The American declaration of war came as a complete surprise to the British, and they basically told the Canadian colonies they were on their own. It wasn't until Napoleon was defeated that the British really jumped in.
The main reason the US failed was that they were as unprepared for war as Canada was. And in an equal fight, the defence generally has the advantage. As was the case in 1812.

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Vastet wrote:I find the

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I find the American tendency to insult the French military amusing...

  I agree. For example, no matter what any American super patriot says the US mission to thwart the spread of communism in south Viet Nam was ultimately a failure.   Was it the fault of the US military or rather the fault of the political powers in control at that time ?   The military at large exists to follow orders not formulate foreign policy.  The Viet Nam war was a political failure,  not a military one.

 

  As an American I admire the French military ( especially the French Foreign Legion, the GIGN, etc ) as well as their indigenous weapons industry.   I don't blame  soldiers for the bad decisions of their government.  Losing an armed engagement ( Dien Bien Phu ) doesn't make the French defenders pussies.   Were the Spartans pussies for eventually losing to the Persians at the battle of Thermopylae ?

 

 

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Beyond Saving wrote:The

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The French never exterminated entire populations.

 

    That depends on who you talk to:  http://www.turkishweekly.net/article/154/accusations-of-french-genocide-against-algerians.html

                                                           http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/dec/23/turkey-accuses-france-genocide-algeria

 

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yeah, that's exactly what i

yeah, that's exactly what i was about to say. the algerians might feel differently about that.


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Vastet wrote:It's not

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It's not bullshit. Something like 90% of the royal navy was occupied off the coast of Europe. The American declaration of war came as a complete surprise to the British, and they basically told the Canadian colonies they were on their own. It wasn't until Napoleon was defeated that the British really jumped in. The main reason the US failed was that they were as unprepared for war as Canada was. And in an equal fight, the defence generally has the advantage. As was the case in 1812.

We got Erie, West Florida and perhaps most importantly, broke up Tecumseh's confederacy. It isn't like we actually wanted Canada (except perhaps for Madison), and a good thing we didn't. Otherwise, today hockey would be our national sport, what a nightmare world that would be. 

You are right that it would have been very different if the British military wasn't otherwise engaged. They didn't really have much interest in fighting us, if they had continued to send fullscale invasion forces, the US would have had to conquer Canada. Which with sheer numbers alone, we probably would have, simply because of the time it took to get across the atlantic back then. 

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It was Madison who started

It was Madison who started the whole thing, so passing off the desire to take Canada as being his desire alone doesn't fly. He barked and tho soldiers moved out.
By the time the war was over you were outnumbered and outgunned in all theatres north and east. Attempting to push for the conquest of Canada would have made America a colony of England again, at best. The Brits had cut off all your trade, except for in New England where they were actually trading with the Brits in defiance of US law. All your invasion forces were either defeated outright or were forced to retreat when the locals refused to welcome and supply US troops as the US expected they would.
You never had a chance at taking Canada.

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Makes no diference.  All

Makes no diference.  All the cool ones move down here anyway, like Neil Young and Joni Mitchell. 

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A lot of yours move up here.

A lot of yours move up here. A lot more will when the American empire collapses. Even more will when Canada takes over the role of super power. Enjoy it while it lasts. Smiling

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Vastet wrote:A lot of yours

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A lot of yours move up here. A lot more will when the American empire collapses. Even more will when Canada takes over the role of super power. Enjoy it while it lasts. Smiling

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That's an incredibly stupid

That's an incredibly stupid argument coming from a country that thinks football and baseball and golf are sports.

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