PLEASE HELP: Debating a Panentheist
Hi all. I am an atheist currently debating a panentheist (not a pantheist) who believes everything exists within the mind of a Cosmic Mind which he says is equated with God. I never knew what a panentheist was or even existed before I met him. I asked him several times to make it clear what kind of god he beleivse in, what are its characteristics, did it create time, everything! Still not given a satisfying answer. All he has described god is as follows:
*Omnipresent - via the definition Universal wave function (hence, everything in the Universe that can be defined in units of matter and energy possesses a collapsable wave-function - the reason why we have the Many-World Interpretation, as oppose to the 'many-atoms, or many -electrons interpretation.)
*(possibly) Omnipotent - via the Zeno effect. According to the Zeno effect, repeated observation(collapse) skews the probabily of the wave-function. Thus a self collapsing wave-function can skew it's own probability via the Zeno effect.
*Conscious - Since we already know that the wave-function of the universe is self-collapsing, it must be a cosmic mind (ie. God), since self-collapsing wave-functions are minds. According to Eugene Wigner and Roger Penrose.
However, when asked for his evidence for panentheism, he brings up Roger Penrose and the Orch-OR model. I have tried to look up this thing, but physics is not my field (mine is history). I cannot even find any source to explain the flaws in this model, so if ANYONE can help me PLEASE DO.
He gave me the following link: http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/penrose-hameroff/orchOR.html
However, as far as I know Penrose is not a physicist - he is a mathmetician. The panentheist I am debating does not think substance dualism is correct at all, he just has some weird beef with materialism. He says "Matter only exists as a construct of information. This is the main line of thought through out all digital physics(see, It From Bit) Information is conceptual, not physical, thus not matter is also derived from the conceptual and space and time are only mathematical relations between them. The entire category of physical, material units reduces to information. Thus, materialism is invalid....both quantum information theory and the holographic principle state that the Universe is composed from quantum information, rather than physical stuff. Everything we call matter is conceptualized information from the gravity level. Our minds just interpret this information as such."
Here is his argument:
1. Consciousness either preceded all of material reality or is a ‘epi-phenomena’ of material reality.
2. If consciousness is a ‘epi-phenomena’ of material reality then consciousness will be found to have no special position within material reality. Whereas conversely, if consciousness precedes material reality then consciousness will be found to have a special position within material reality.
3. Consciousness is found to have a special, even central, position within material reality.
4. Therefore, consciousness is found to precede material reality
This is based on the results of the Delayed Choice/Quantum Eraser and Wigner's proposition that measurement is ontological equal to conscious observation, which is also the basis for Universal Orch-OR. I'll can provide a video explaining this simply, if necessary.
I don't get quantum mechanics, and I probably never will, but the philosophy of panentheism to me seems wayyyyy tooooo much speculation - but I need to show why his "scientific" evidence is faulty, especially his hardcore view that consciousness must precede materialism (which means everything exists in a mind). Again I ask everyone/anyone for help. The more the better. Thank you.