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i read through christian sites and cant believe i fell for that shit what a fucking stupid thing

 

i did believe jesus and want live like christian girl but it too stupid they tell you not have sex but christian girls are biggest whores

 

i loved god so much i use to think i talk to him but i didnt i just fucking talk to myself and wonder why i was so stupid

 

 

believe in magic sky daddy what the fuck?

 

 

 

 


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Hmm. Had a few drinks? Wish

Hmm. Had a few drinks? Wish I did.

So true.

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 I talk to my dog, but he gets bored easily so I try to talk about things he likes in between my personal problems.


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If

 

 

it makes you feel any better you're not the only one. What's weird is when you see other people - and family - still believing it with all their might. And judging you on the basis of their blind misconceptions.  

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Since you're a woman and not a Chrisitan you're obviously highly irrational. You fact is you were never ever a Chrisitan. II John 2:19 talks about those who have left us were never among us.

So you are worse. As an apostate heretic, your place will be hotter then Bill Graham.

Also, to say that the bible wants you to wait until marriage to have sex, and then to say, oh, but these girls who claim to be Christian did it is an extremely huge logical fallacy of Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc. Duh. You didn't go to college did you? Do you have your Diploma? wow.

Anyway, let me give you an analogy

Say you've never ever heard of classical music before in your life. Badinerie. So your little neice or you your case children since youre obvoiusly having sex with everybody ask you to go to there Junior High Concert. They're be playing Bach's Badinerie. So you go not knowing anyting about this genre of music. When you get there, you hear horrible sounds. Squeking, and honking. A few even miss notes.

So then you based your thinking on immature Jr. High Kids who are amatures and really not musicians yet. Madam, that's pretty stupid.

Those girls who were screwing around were the Junior High kids playing J.S. Bach. DUH!!!. Just as in Bach's music, you want to based classical music on the original source, the real Bach. Just like in Christianity, you want to base your thiking on the origininal article, not hypocritical sluts who probably not even Christians.

I recommend eitehr finish highschool or go to colloege or something because this was probably the most pathetic stupid thing to say i've ever heard

Oh, and ther term religion doesn't exist anymore. So not sure how you're defining a non existence term.

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I am god. I use to pray to

I am god.

I use to pray to god, then I found I was only talking to myself

Religion Kills !!!

Numbers 31:17-18 - Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

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Hey look, its jean being a

Hey look, its jean being a moron again. I bet $50 the fag* is incapable of saying anything without making a fool of himself. Ever. Laughing out loud

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Cpt_pineapple wrote:i read

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i read through christian sites and cant believe i fell for that shit what a fucking stupid thing

 

i did believe jesus and want live like christian girl but it too stupid they tell you not have sex but christian girls are biggest whores

 

i loved god so much i use to think i talk to him but i didnt i just fucking talk to myself and wonder why i was so stupid

 

 

believe in magic sky daddy what the fuck?

 

 

 

 

It seems that some of the awful things that you used to believe you are still, all be it unaware, are still selling yourself.

If a man has multiple partners, we congratulate them on their conquests. But when a woman has multiple partners, we call them "whores".

How about this. Sex is not dirty. It does have it's risks and certainly man or woman take risks when they have sex, but merely having sex doesn't make a woman a whore.

Instead of calling women "whores" educate both boys and girls about their bodies and the risks involved in sex such as unwanted pregnancy and disease.

But a woman, even being a stripper or porn star, by itself, does not make her a "whore". There is risk in life in everything we do, sex should not be treated any differently. You only get involved in it via consent, you take precautions when doing it, and you educate yourself as to what you want out of it.

I do agree that when it comes to sex Christians can be the biggest hypocrites though.

 

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Cpt_pineapple wrote:i read

Cpt_pineapple wrote:

i read through christian sites and cant believe i fell for that shit what a fucking stupid thing

 

i did believe jesus and want live like christian girl but it too stupid they tell you not have sex but christian girls are biggest whores

 

i loved god so much i use to think i talk to him but i didnt i just fucking talk to myself and wonder why i was so stupid

 

 

believe in magic sky daddy what the fuck?

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ex-minister wrote:I am god.

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It would be nice if the world's population could do that, but I don't think it ever will. I think the best humanity can do is to keep government secular and put religion on a leash so it can constantly be monitored with oversight and checks so it does not gain a political monopoly.

I think the rise of atheism will increase the idea of secular governments, but our evolution has always had as a species the gap filling flaw of Dawkins moth. That evolutionary trait isn't going to go anywhere any time soon.

We as atheists should never try to gain the same type of forced monopoly that theism, and even state dogmatism that has caused the authoritarian states of Stalin and Iran. One was the state being the god, and the other was the god running the state, but both have the same Big Brother authoritarian absolute power.

The best we can achieve as a species long term, is to increase education and promote science and government neutrality and anti-political and religious monopolies on government. That wont rid the world of absurd beliefs, but it will help improve the human condition by taking the focus away from gang mentalities and set the priority on the common ground of the human condition.

I wish no one believed in fictional beings, but we cant ourselves attempt an impractical utopia like Stalin or religion does.

I know you were not advocating government force, I was just reminding those reading that humanity in general needs to get away from the attitude of gangs and labels.

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Jean Chauvin wrote:Since

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Since you're a woman and not a Chrisitan you're obviously highly irrational. You fact is you were never ever a Chrisitan. II John 2:19 talks about those who have left us were never among us.

So you are worse. As an apostate heretic, your place will be hotter then Bill Graham.

Also, to say that the bible wants you to wait until marriage to have sex, and then to say, oh, but these girls who claim to be Christian did it is an extremely huge logical fallacy of Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc. Duh. You didn't go to college did you? Do you have your Diploma? wow.

Anyway, let me give you an analogy

Say you've never ever heard of classical music before in your life. Badinerie. So your little neice or you your case children since youre obvoiusly having sex with everybody ask you to go to there Junior High Concert. They're be playing Bach's Badinerie. So you go not knowing anyting about this genre of music. When you get there, you hear horrible sounds. Squeking, and honking. A few even miss notes.

So then you based your thinking on immature Jr. High Kids who are amatures and really not musicians yet. Madam, that's pretty stupid.

Those girls who were screwing around were the Junior High kids playing J.S. Bach. DUH!!!. Just as in Bach's music, you want to based classical music on the original source, the real Bach. Just like in Christianity, you want to base your thiking on the origininal article, not hypocritical sluts who probably not even Christians.

I recommend eitehr finish highschool or go to colloege or something because this was probably the most pathetic stupid thing to say i've ever heard

Oh, and ther term religion doesn't exist anymore. So not sure how you're defining a non existence term.

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

Galileo gets jailed by the church and you spew this bullshit.

Christianity has been the enemy and to this day still is the enemy of science. But you ARE in good company, Muslims do as much damage and make as much threats to science and atheists as pricks like you do.

All religions make false and stupid claims about the nature of reality and whatever people within these religions who do accept to whatever extent science, get held back, and or drowned out by the other fans of the myth.

If there had been no religion at all in human history we would have accomplished much more by now than we have. I don't blame the ignorance of the past because humans didn't know better. But now, when we know what DNA is and what rigor mortis is, the myth of the fictional story of the virgin birth and Jesus escaping rigor mortis needs to rightfully be put in the same trash bin as Thor making lightening.

It just pisses you off that more and more people are standing up to your childish myth and exposing it for the mind scam it is.

All holy books of all religions are nothing but comic books humans falsely buy as fact. Muslims/Jews/Hindus and you are all fans of fiction.

 

 

 

 

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I think you underestimate

I think you underestimate the future. In the past, religion was a survival mechanism that did us well in a world we had no understanding of. That benefit largely vanished with the onset of democracy, even more with the age of enlightenment, and religion has waned since. Every year that goes by sees more authority taken from theists. It's a slow process, much like the spread of christianity was slow. But it is also an enivitable one. Because we are so limited in the amount of time we spend alive, such processes can be nearly invisible, much like evolution itself. But if you look you can see it happening, and it has already passed the point of no return. While not in our lifetimes, irrational religion will die. Unless we give up fighting it.

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I think you underestimate the future. In the past, religion was a survival mechanism that did us well in a world we had no understanding of. That benefit largely vanished with the onset of democracy, even more with the age of enlightenment, and religion has waned since. Every year that goes by sees more authority taken from theists. It's a slow process, much like the spread of christianity was slow. But it is also an enivitable one. Because we are so limited in the amount of time we spend alive, such processes can be nearly invisible, much like evolution itself. But if you look you can see it happening, and it has already passed the point of no return. While not in our lifetimes, irrational religion will die. Unless we give up fighting it.

I do not see evolution ever shedding the flaw of irrational claims. Gap filling will always be part of our species, even in the future.

I DO however, think because of modern technology and the age of democracy, that the old superstitions and even the dogmatism of the state, will be marginalized to such a great extent that any lingering existence of gap filling will be kept in check. In that sense I am hopeful.

BUT that still depends on us even now as a species, not taking ourselves out. That is where I am also pessimistic because also part of our evolution is striving to be the alpha male and competing to the national and global level with the still lingering gap filling irrationality of religion.

We do have the opportunity to get dogmatism of any kind, including religious dogmatism and even irrational claims to the point where they are a side issue and not our main focus as a species. But there is no magic bullet to get us there nor does it mean we will.

We have Christians, Muslims and Jews all with their hands on the button, and even communist China with its hands on the button, and all it takes is for any one of these groups to take the irrational plunge and put the collective species back into a stone age.

I am hopeful, but realistic too. It could go either way. But at least the age of the internet and the quick spread of information, is no longer allowing humanity to be divided by ideology and borders. That most certainly does help.

Vaset, don't forget, not that you have,  that evolution does not seek perfection, so even in the future, while it may be that dogmatism will be replaced more and more by individuality, the goal of evolution is merely to get to the point of reproduction. It will never have the cognition of caring about how our species gets there.

I think we can improve as long as we fight for the side of skepticism and testing. But we will never be a perfect species. The best thing scientists, skeptics and those who value democracy can do is to give up on any idea of a Platonic utopia that will never exist.

 

 

 

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It is getting to the point

It is getting to the point where noone will reach the age of reproduction if they are irrational. Because we will have killed ourselves otherwise. Therefore evolutionary pressures will remove such behaviour, or we will die.

Perfection doesn't exist, cannot exist, and is irrelevant.

Irrational behaviours like false religion will end or we will. It's that simple.

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Perfection doesn't exist, cannot exist, and is irrelevant.
Oh, come on, don't go in denial like that. If perfection was irrelevant then mathematics would have never been developed.

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About that, does anyone knows something about I AM GOD AS YOU? He is a old guy, right?

EDIT Ok, apparently at most he *was* an old guy.


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Vastet wrote:It is getting

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It is getting to the point where noone will reach the age of reproduction if they are irrational. Because we will have killed ourselves otherwise. Therefore evolutionary pressures will remove such behaviour, or we will die. Perfection doesn't exist, cannot exist, and is irrelevant. Irrational behaviours like false religion will end or we will. It's that simple.

No, irrational behaviors are part of evolution and placebos do work, not because they are real, but if that false perception leads to luck or safety in numbers, that will lead to the point of reproduction,

This is a bit of a doomsday motif here, even for an atheist.

Our demise as a species will happen like all life, no matter if humans reach a majority of rational thought.

The irrational belief that the sun was a god worked quite well for the ancient Egyptians. That false belief kept them going for 3,000 years. Believing in science or believing in the absurd will not stop our species from attempting to fuck.

That is not to say we shouldn't try to minimize the harm of dogmatism. Just to say that evolution will continue EVEN IF we go backwards in scientific discovery and become less educated.

Evolution doesn't care if you have a PHD or money. If you fuck and produce offspring, your education, status or religion don't mean a fuck.

If an education was required in evolution to make biological life successful, then Dawkins is a retard compared to cockroaches. Which most scientist project will outlast humans.

Brains can help humans survive, yes, but when you look at our brief existence compared to the older span of more adapt life  which has lasted longer and will probably outlast us, it is absurd to say that evolution cares about what level of education we have.

 

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luca wrote:vastet

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Perfection doesn't exist, cannot exist, and is irrelevant.
Oh, come on, don't go in denial like that. If perfection was irrelevant then mathematics would have never been developed.

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I am god. I use to pray to god, then I found I was only talking to myself
About that, does anyone knows something about I AM GOD AS YOU? He is a old guy, right?

EDIT Ok, apparently at most he *was* an old guy.

Read the definition for perfection and explain what it has to do with mathematics. Or anything for that matter. Perfection is an ideal, not something that exists.

Brian, evolution doesn't care about anything. You adapt to your environment or you die. We will get smarter to adapt to the changes we have and continue to make or we will die. Period, end of story. It's how evolution works. The biggest pressure on our species is intellectual pressure. Are you going to ignore everything we know re: evolution in your stubborn quest of pessimism?

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The way 'perfection' is used

The way 'perfection' has been used when talking about Mathematics is to refer to 'ideal' concepts,  abstractions,  definitions.

The way it has been applied to 'real' things is different, none of which can be actually 'perfect' in any meaningful way. When we use it today to describe some person or thing, it is, or should be, meant metaphorically, not literally.

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Also of note is that evolution is quite a slow process. Religion has been around since the invention of talking. I doubt anyone has a clear date on that but Neanderthal (and possibly earlier hominids) graves have been found that show evidence of reverence for the dead. So probably half a million or more years.

 

I just don't see how we can evolve out of the current situation in the time frame of, say, the next several decades.

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Wow. What church did you go to? Maybe I'd still 'believe' if I had gone to that one.

But aren't we all whores, Captn?

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Social evolution can and has

Social evolution can and has been proven to happen in as little time as a few years. Two exemplary examples: aftermath of 9/11; smoking.

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Vastet wrote:luca

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Perfection doesn't exist, cannot exist, and is irrelevant.
Oh, come on, don't go in denial like that. If perfection was irrelevant then mathematics would have never been developed.

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I am god. I use to pray to god, then I found I was only talking to myself
About that, does anyone knows something about I AM GOD AS YOU? He is a old guy, right?

EDIT Ok, apparently at most he *was* an old guy.

Read the definition for perfection and explain what it has to do with mathematics. Or anything for that matter. Perfection is an ideal, not something that exists. Brian, evolution doesn't care about anything. You adapt to your environment or you die. We will get smarter to adapt to the changes we have and continue to make or we will die. Period, end of story. It's how evolution works. The biggest pressure on our species is intellectual pressure. Are you going to ignore everything we know re: evolution in your stubborn quest of pessimism?

Evolution does not care about anything. RIGHT and agreed. So why you think our species survival will depend on everyone being atheists is absurd.

Adaptation does include irrational behavior and sometimes that irrational meme, just like a placebo, can result in benefit, even if the belief itself is false. I do not see evolution changing long term in this context.

I think you are confusing memes which can evolve with evolution itself and they are NOT the same.

I agree that IF IF IF IF IF IF, technology and education continue to spread, just like polytheism lead to monotheism, it is certainly possible for that meme progression to lead to more atheists, which it seems to be doing. But those are ideas, not evolution.

I agree with your progression of memes.

1. earthy volcano dieties

2. Polytheism

3.Monotheism

4.deism

5.pantheism

6. atheism

But this is a progression of ideas, not biological evolution.

We could still easly regress because of some event, like a nuclear war, have enough theist survive and go on to re populate the planet. Much like you can have a forest fire that kills tons of trees but still leaves enough behind who repopulate the forest.

My point is that the future is not given, nor do I think evolution will depend on humans not believing. It has survived for millions of years in a history where a majority has believed something of some sort. So why you think that will change the future automatically is a stretch.

I am not saying we wont all eventually give up on gods, but as you said, and I agree that evolution doesn't care about anything. So to say we will go extinct if we dont give up on god belief is a bit contradictory.

We WILL go extinct no matter what. A meteor or gamma ray could fry all life on this planet at any time.

 

 

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Hello Jean .. Again with the Billy Graham

 Jean Again with the Billy Graham {emphasis in a Jewish accent }. You are obviously one to be storming the gates and revolt, almost over zealous so it is hard to picture what you are referring to.  Please 'start a thread' explaining this view, it is not a simple matter, I would guess. This is very surprising, I have never heard of any Xian circles that pride themselves on saying the man needed "saving", he had better turn or burn.  Any and all Clichés aside .. I am curious . . . love to see, IF you can make the time. Thanks to You Smiling

 


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"So why you think our

"So why you think our species survival will depend on everyone being atheists is absurd."

I never said that. I said, in effect, that to survive we will have to become more rational as a species. The death of religion will be a side effect. Yes, there will likely always be some crazy person on a box on some street corner somewhere, but the organisation of said crazy people will end. The churches will fall and become museums and clubs.

Btw, a progression of ideas is societal evolution. Biological evolution isn't the only evolution.

Also, our extinction is only as guaranteed as Homo Erectus. We can survive, there's nothing currently to say it's impossible. We'll just evolve or die, as everything always has.

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Also, how you could possibly

Also, how you could possibly believe we are incapable of altering the planet after a million year history of doing exactly that is beyond me.

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