Obama: Homosexuality is not a choice

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Obama: Homosexuality is not a choice

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/10/14/obama.homosexuality/index.html?iref=allsearch

 

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Washington (CNN) -- President Barack Obama said Thursday that he believes homosexuality is not a choice, but the result of people being born with "a certain make-up."

Asked directly if gay or transgender people have a choice or are born that way, Obama told a town-hall style event with students that he was no expert, then added: "I don't think it's a choice. I think people are born with a certain make-up."

"We're all children of God," Obama said. "We don't make determinations about who we love. That's why I think discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is wrong."

 


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http://edition.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/10/14/obama.homosexuality/index.html?iref=allsearch

 

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Washington (CNN) -- President Barack Obama said Thursday that he believes homosexuality is not a choice, but the result of people being born with "a certain make-up."

Asked directly if gay or transgender people have a choice or are born that way, Obama told a town-hall style event with students that he was no expert, then added: "I don't think it's a choice. I think people are born with a certain make-up."

"We're all children of God," Obama said. "We don't make determinations about who we love. That's why I think discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is wrong."

 

 

great, now itd be super if he came around to the position that gays can marry, none of this "civil union" bullshit

or maybe itd be great if he wasnt trying to stop the injunction against DADT with some BS excuse

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Notice how he only commented

Notice how he only commented on discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. That's already been overturned in Romer v. Evans (1996) because it violated the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. His agreement with that decision changes nothing. What he really needs to do is establish his position on same-sex marriage, "don't ask, don't tell", immigration issues with same-sex couples and families, bullying of LGBT students, and other more relevant issues.

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 Well, I would really like

 

Well, I would really like to put him on the spot over this one. Not over the usual crop of questions that tend to come up...

 

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What he really needs to do is establish his position on same-sex marriage, "don't ask, don't tell", immigration issues with same-sex couples and families, bullying of LGBT students, and other more relevant issues.

 

...but over ones that show how the existing laws have created some problems which have not been foreseen.

 

Here is one:

 

A gay man from a nation where gay marriage is no big deal comes to, say, Connecticut where gay marriage is no big deal. He then marries a gay natural born citizen. Under federal law that predates DOMA by many decades, the federal govt. must grant US citizenship unless they can show that the marriage was done for the purpose of gaining entry into the US. Pretty much, this should be a done deal.

 

Then the happy couple moves to one of those states where the state constitution has been amended to block gay marriage. What is the legal status of the happy couple?

 

This becomes important because the federal govt. has granted formal recognition to the marriage despite DOMA. However, there is a much larger issue at hand. This creates a very specific tension between the tenth amendment (state's rights) and the fourteenth amendment (the equal protection clause).

 

I don't think that SCOTUS really wants to take a crap on either of them.

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A gay man from a nation where gay marriage is no big deal comes to, say, Connecticut where gay marriage is no big deal. He then marries a gay natural born citizen. Under federal law that predates DOMA by many decades, the federal govt. must grant US citizenship unless they can show that the marriage was done for the purpose of gaining entry into the US. Pretty much, this should be a done deal.

 

Then the happy couple moves to one of those states where the state constitution has been amended to block gay marriage. What is the legal status of the happy couple?

 

This becomes important because the federal govt. has granted formal recognition to the marriage despite DOMA. However, there is a much larger issue at hand. This creates a very specific tension between the tenth amendment (state's rights) and the fourteenth amendment (the equal protection clause).

 

I don't think that SCOTUS really wants to take a crap on either of them.

Doesn't DOMA violate Article IV, Sections 1 and 2 (the "full faith and credit" and "privileges and immunities" clauses) of the Constitution?

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 I see where you are going.

 

I see where you are going. In general, I tend to think that you have a case. The only thing is that both of your points exist as worded in a weaker manner that leaves a larger opening for judicial interpretation.

 

If/as/when such a case gets to SCOTUS, they can form part of an argument. However, if one is going to pick the battles that are easier to win, then the possible clash between the tenth and fourteenth amendments is possibly the better case to work.

 

Consider strategy here. This case is probably ten years away. We don't know what the makeup of SCOTUS will be then, apart from it being probably still being the Roberts court. Give them two things where they can't really take a steaming dump on either and they will be disposed to a limited number of options.

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Good guy, Obama.

 

 

You get the feeling if he could ignore interest groups and run the country his own way things would work out for the better.

It's funny that in Australia about 60 per cent of folks support gay marriage - the figure goes up about 5 per cent every 5 years.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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 Well, one of these days,

 

Well, one of these days, we are gonna get past the idea of gay marriage and just have marriage.

 

Honestly, I have more important things to do than thinking about what other people do with their privates. Thinking about how to get my privates a bit more action seems to be fairly important.

 

Don't get me wrong, thinking about Angelina Jolie's privates has some merit but that will not get me any action. Neither will worrying about what Neil and Bob have going on.

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Groan

 

Sorry not to finish that post...went out last night and am not right in the head.

The funny part about those figures here is that despite a majority of support, gay marriage is such a political hot potato.

You'd think if a majority think it's a non issue then government could just pull its thumb out of its arse. But nope.

 

 

 

 

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One of these days

I agree with much of the posts on this one. I personally do not think it is the business of the government to worry about what people do in their bedrooms. Me personally, I work with people who are gay, I have dealt with people who are gay, it just doesn't seem like any real reason for it to be such a HUGE issue.

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atomicdogg34 wrote:great,

atomicdogg34 wrote:

great, now itd be super if he came around to the position that gays can marry, none of this "civil union" bullshit

or maybe itd be great if he wasnt trying to stop the injunction against DADT with some BS excuse

Full of hot air, this prez is...

 

edit1; could it be that he's simply trying to rally re-election support with approval ratings so damn low after a measly year and a half?

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