A compilation of reasons why NDEs do not support the mind-body duality position

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A compilation of reasons why NDEs do not support the mind-body duality position
  • ~ 20% of those who stop breathing and whose heart stops beating, and who are revived, report a NDE.  Don't we all allegedly possess souls?
  • People from different cultures report different NDEs.  Aren't we all subject to the same afterlife/afterlives?
  • People who incorrectly think that they're about to die, or who are taking certain drugs, or who are being subjected to high g-forces (air force cadets in centrifuges, as well as actual pilots making tight turns) report NDE-like experiences.
  • Double-blind experiments have been conducted whereby an emergency room doctor has a text message, image, or animation placed on top of light fixtures in the emergency room.  Since OBEs involving seeing one's body from above are a very common part of NDEs, these experiments are very ingenius.  No one experiencing an NDE has ever identified these objects. 

As if MRI scans of the brains of people performing certain tasks, and asked to think about certain things, the story of Phineas Gage, and many other lines of evidence are not enough, these gullible fools cling to the NDE as proof of life after death and mind body duality because "NDEs usually have a profound effect on people" and because "NDEs are reported as being very vivid and the people just know ) that they had left their bodies".

 


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What? So you mean anecdotes

What?

 

So you mean anecdotes aren't valid. That saying "it's obvious" isn't valid. You mean we need academic empiracal studies? You mean people have to prove that it's valid rather than people prove that it's not?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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NDE are ridiculous. i had

NDE are ridiculous. i had one myself while lying in bed smoking pot a few months ago. Nothing special.


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Well, I happen to know two

Well, I happen to know two people who claim to have had NDEs. Honestly, neither of them say that they had the standard experience, from which I conclude that an NDE is a variable thing and when we hear about them, we are hearing a selection biased telling that only seems to suggest that there is anything that “everyone gets” whatever that may mean.

 

However, I would love to be a hospital administrator who is in the position of placing stuff on the top of the machines in the emergency room/operating rooms. Trust me on this, it would all be gay porn. No lame pages of text in my experiment.

 

If people don't claim to have seen dudes bending over other dudes then they were not floating around over their own bodies.

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Stosis wrote:

NDE are ridiculous. i had one myself while lying in bed smoking pot a few months ago. Nothing special.

 

How was it?

 

 

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Physical and chemical brain

Physical and chemical brain damage which result in personality changes also do not supprt mind-body duality.

 

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The case of Phineas Gage

The case of Phineas Gage being an excellent, early example.


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Dogma Hater

Dogma Hater wrote:

  • Double-blind experiments have been conducted whereby an emergency room doctor has a text message, image, or animation placed on top of light fixtures in the emergency room.  Since OBEs involving seeing one's body from above are a very common part of NDEs, these experiments are very ingenius.  No one experiencing an NDE has ever identified these objects. 

 

 

  Perhaps they could place a message on the overhead light fixture which indicated that the patient's medical insurance policy had been cancelled, and then the OR staff should listen for the other-wordly sounds of someone expressing extreme rage.


 

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ronin-dog wrote:Physical and

ronin-dog wrote:

Physical and chemical brain damage which result in personality changes also do not supprt mind-body duality.

Twice as an adult I've had severe blows to the head.  After both, and for varying lengths of time afterward, I'd see bright flashes of light.  The first time, I thought I must have had a detached retina (I was hit in the head with a gun), but there was nothing wrong.  After the second one (2x4 to the head that dropped me to the floor), I started seeing the "tunnel of white light" sometimes before falling asleep.  I used to think the "tunnel of white light" was bogus, now I think it's related to head trauma.  I'd be interested in knowing how many NDE's involving "tunnel of white light" are people who've had head trauma.

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