Legal challenge to UK bus adverts

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Legal challenge to UK bus adverts

And so it begins.  Some fuckwad has decided he wants to challenge the UK bus adverts saying "There's probably no god..." on grounds of 'truthfulness' and 'substantiation'

http://www.politics.co.uk/news/opinion-former-index/legal-and-constitutional/christian-challenges-atheist-bus-advert-$1259459.htm

 

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It's interesting to note

It's interesting to note that this campaign was started by an individual not any particular organisation  (The British Humanism Assocation ran the admin only).

British atheist groups bicker and argue with each other like they do everywhere else (herding cats?)

 


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Damn! You weren't kidding.

Damn! You weren't kidding. She's quite the looker.


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I think that's

I think that's terrific.

 

The idiot is almost certain to lose.


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Kevin R Brown wrote:I think

Kevin R Brown wrote:

I think that's terrific.

 

The idiot is almost certain to lose.

And won't you be surprised when he wins? (scare tactics, I mean if.)

I'm not making any bets here...

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I will be incredibly

I will be incredibly discouraged if he wins. It means that the British government is more or less just as sectarian as Hitch suggests it is.

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I'm not sure Hitchens is

I'm not sure Hitchens is really that wrong. 

Though, this is a gem and I am reminded of certain implications:

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I am sure that Stephen Green really does think there is a great deal of evidence for a God (though presumably only the one that he believes in) but I pity the ASA if they are going to be expected to rule on the probability of god’s existence.
It would be ridiculous and the ASA would be rulling on something sensitive... and we all know what they must rule if they're to follow the law and logic.  Pity, yes.  Of course, can we imagine a ruling other than that one being probable?  What would that ruling be?

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"Well the things that happen less often are more likely to be the result of the supper natural. A thing like loosing my keys in the morning is not likely supper natural, but finding a thousand dollars or meeting a celebrity might be."


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Bring it on, any enquiry

Bring it on, any enquiry about 'god probably not existing' will also have to apply to christian adverts saying he does


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Thomathy wrote:Of course,

Thomathy wrote:

Of course, can we imagine a ruling other than that one being probable?  What would that ruling be?

It can only be gold. Remember that bit where someone tried to sell their soul on ebay? The response from ebay was magnificent, so I expect they will seek that very same person out to write the response to this one. It was something along the lines of "If the soul is physical, then it's a body part, and ebay doesn't let you sell body parts. Neither does it allow the sale of non-physical things."

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That seems like a reasonable

That seems like a reasonable decision to come to on ebay's part.  But for the ASA to rule in favour of the Christian guy, the decision would have to be 'gold' indeed.

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"Well the things that happen less often are more likely to be the result of the supper natural. A thing like loosing my keys in the morning is not likely supper natural, but finding a thousand dollars or meeting a celebrity might be."


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Love it. Funny as hell.

Love it. Funny as hell. Literally.

 


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Is there a reason, if there

Is there a reason, if there is a reason, the theists cannot or donot counter by advertizing "there is a god"?

People who think there is something they refer to as god don't ask enough questions.


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I noticed in the NPR story

I noticed in the NPR story about this (which I just posted because I didn't see this one) someone mentioned that they didn't like the slogan because you cannot prove that god prolly doesn't exist. 

Uh...

So...

Go ahead and prove he DOES, yo!


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 Stephen Green ?  This

 Stephen Green ? 

 

This guy ? : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYxY39GL64Y

 

Should be fun.


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UK Atheists buy bus adds

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/06/religion-atheist-bus-campaign-national

Check out the hottie in the pic.

ANYWHO, we have done quite a bit here in the states, but nothing from a single campain to this scale mentioned in the article. It would be great if all the collective atheist organizations put their heads together to do something similer here.

 

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Thomathy wrote:That seems

Thomathy wrote:

That seems like a reasonable decision to come to on ebay's part.  But for the ASA to rule in favour of the Christian guy, the decision would have to be 'gold' indeed.

I suppose it depends on who's receiving the gold, and how many closet atheist judges there are who might enjoy delivering a thrashing to someone who wastes the court's time. It's not like English courts are just sitting around waiting for people to sue each other, and this kind of frivolous nonsense might raise the ire of any reasonable judge, regardless of their religious persuasion.

The bus campaign is cute, for crying out loud! I mean, it's puppies-and-kittens cute. So is the girl who initiated it. I hope the whole thing gets people more comfortable with the idea that atheists aren't monsters, and we can get to be people, too.

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Brian37 wrote:ANYWHO,

Brian37 wrote:
ANYWHO, we have done quite a bit here in the states, but nothing from a single campain to this scale mentioned in the article. It would be great if all the collective atheist organizations put their heads together to do something similer here.

 

I absolutely agree with you on that Brian. I would love to make a splash in some big way. I also would love if it captured some of what is really going on in our community. For example, in the Michael Newdow thread, I gave a couple of examples of how we could show our support for atheism in the context of the Presidential inauguration while distancing ourselves somewhat from Newdow.

 

Obviously, we do not have the time to set those up but with a few weeks notice, we could have had other demonstrations going right at the same time. My favorite of the two ideas that I posted was to have Pastor Deacon Fred set up at the other end of the Mall and we could have a rally of our own. Heck but I would have been willing to offer myself up as a hard atheist willing to take the proxy oath as offered by Pastor Deacon Fred.

 

With the whole world watching and Michael Newdow being his usual pain in the ass self, I bet that news coverage could be had.

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