Adam and Eve...and Lilith?

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Adam and Eve…and Lilith

A Contradiction in Terms.

Genesis 1:27- "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." You will notice that god creates man and woman AT THE SAME TIME and this woman’s name in never mentioned.

Let us now examine and consider the second verse, which is the contradictory and yet most well known story of the creation of man and woman.

Genesis 2:21-23-“21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. 23 The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called ‘woman’, for she was taken out of man."

This is the story most are familiar with known as “the rib story”. This woman is then named Eve, however she is NOT the FIRST woman and not the first wife of Adam.

Midrash Explained.

To find this out the name, Jewish scholars engaged in something called Midrash. Midrash, according to the Online Encarta Dictionary/Encyclopedia, is “commentary on Hebrew Bible: a body of Rabbinic literature consisting of commentary on and clarification of biblical texts, first compiled before 500 ad”. If that is not “authoritative” enough for you, according to the Oxford English Dictionary Midrash is, “A Rabbinic homiletic commentary on a text from the Hebrew Scriptures, characterized by non-literal \nterpretation and legendary illustration.”

Why did they use Midrash?

Jewish Rabbis were not stupid. They understood that these two stories contradict each other. Since, Genesis is contained in the first five books of the bible known as “The Torah” and “The Five Books of Moses” and considered the most direct revelation from god to humans; the Rabbis decided this contradiction had an explanation that could get rid of the apparent contradiction. They did this by looking through the Bible (Old Testament) and looking for clues as to name of the first unnamed woman of creation. The reason, ironically enough, why the name of the woman is missing is because earlier Rabbis, those responsible for putting the Torah together didn’t like the story of the first woman, so they left the minimal amount of the story there, namely Gen 1:27. Why didn’t they like this first woman of creation? That will be explained later. First, let us look at what the Rabbis looked at during this Midrash.

Midrash Evidence

Isaiah 34:15 "...The night-demon Lilith, evil and rapacious, will establish permanent quarters. Scavenging carrion birds will breed and brood, infestations of ominous evil." Here is mentioned Lilith, a woman-demon. They link this name up with a woman in Jewish lore known to them at the time but coming down to us through a medieval text known as The Alphabet of Ben Sira, in full text and explained later.

Why is this important?

According to ancient Jewish lore, known from a medieval text, based on lost texts of the same stories, known as The Alphabet of Ben Sira, Lilith is the unnamed wife in Gen 1:27. The story explains why the book was left out of the Pentateuch/Torah, how and why Lilith goes away, and is supposed to explain why babies die early, why men have wet dreams and as a way to demonize women.

The Alphabet of Ben Sira

The Story of Lilith

"The angels who are in charge of medicine: Snvi, Snsvi, and Smnglof. After God created Adam, who was alone, He said, 'It is not good for man to be alone' (Gen. 2:18). He then created a woman for Adam, from the earth, as He had created Adam himself, and called her Lilith. Adam and Lilith began to fight. She said, 'I will not lie below,' and he said, 'I will not lie beneath you, but only on top. For you are fit only to be in the bottom position, while am to be in the superior one.' Lilith responded, 'We are equal to each other inasmuch as we were both created from the earth.' But they would not listen to one another. When Lilith saw this, she pronounced the Ineffable Name and flew away into the air. Adam stood in prayer before his Creator: 'Sovereign of the universe!' he said, 'the woman you gave me has run away.' At once, the Holy One, blessed be He, sent these three angels to bring her back.

"Said the Holy One to Adam, 'If she agrees to come back, fine. If not she must permit one hundred of her children to die every day.' The angels left God and pursued Lilith, whom they overtook in the midst of the sea, in the mighty waters wherein the Egyptians were destined to drown. They told her God's word, but she did not wish to return. The angels said, 'We shall drown you in the sea.'

"'Leave me!' she said. 'I was created only to cause sickness to infants. If the infant is male, I have dominion over him for eight days after his birth, and if female, for twenty days.'

"When the angels heard Lilith's words, they insisted she go back. But she swore to them by the name of the living and eternal God: 'Whenever I see you or your names or your forms in an amulet, I will have no power over that infant.' She also agreed to have one hundred of her children die every day. Accordingly, every day one hundred demons perish, and for the same reason, we write the angels' names on the amulets of young children. When Lilith sees their names, she remembers her oath, and the child recovers."

Explanation for why Lilith is left out of the Torah

Lilith wanted to be equal with Adam, and gives good reason, according to the story. Adam did not want this and would not allow it, so she left him. This is quite feministic. She says, “I will not lie below”, during sex presumably and “We are equal to each other inasmuch as we were both created from the earth.” She is actually correct, in the sense that they are equals. This is disturbing to the early Rabbis of the Judaism. In the culture of the day, men we seen as superior to women and so having this idea in the bible was unacceptable, so it was discarded. She then leaves him by uttering the name of god (in Hebrew) and then she magically flies away and never seen again. Oddly, neither god nor his angels can bring her back to Earth. She then becomes a demon of night and roams the Earth causing havoc.

The Aftermath and Conclusion

Then we have the rib story, only after Lilith leaves, and Eve is purposely made out of something less than what Adam and was done so to insure that she would be subservient to Adam, and men in general. Eve is then the second wife of Adam and Lilith the first. Lilith’s story brings up one additional problem, one that may actually be worse than having two contradictory stories of creation that is; god- the omnipotent, omnipresent, and all-perfect, creator of the universe- is NOT perfect because he made a mistake. Not only did god make a mistake, he also did not see it coming (therefore not all knowing) and could not stop Lilith or control her (therefore not all-powerful). This is what one would expect from a “quick fix” explanation of a man-made myth touted by believers as the perfect word of the creator of the universe.

By Joel

RRS @ MSCD

My views on Lillith... or her offspring

I read a few similar stories of Lillith approx 5 years ago and shared it with a friend recently. He wanted me to find some sort of documentation on it, so here I AM.

I'm 40 yrs old, happily-divorced almost 20 years now. Over all these years of raising my children, I've learned just how evil women can be and after reading numerous slightly different versions of Lillith, it almost makes sense to me now. Lillith is the reason that over HALF of the female population is currently so evil in our society. Think about it... so many women have lost their morals, family values, and can hardly be trusted in marriage. They're manipulative and evil.... ALL OFFSPRING OF LILLITH!!!

I should add... At the time that I was researching the entire Lillith-saga, I was also giving dating a try. I met 4 different women for seperate dates within a 6 week span. Turns out the first 3 were married and looking for a 'fling'. The 4th and final was different... kinda special. We were moving right along 3 weeks later when allofasudden I get a call from HER husband!

I met 4 women... all married.

Maybe it was just bad-timing. But add to this all of my on-going research of Lillith, her never-ending demon-offspring, etc... and it just...  it all JIVES NOW.

I should add that I was a lifelong athiest until approx 5 years ago too. Also, this is not to be mistaken for a woman-bashing post-oppty. If I've offended ANY females with this post, I'm sorry. It's just that everytime I see a woman acting psycho now, I immediately think of Lillith! Geeez.

 

Are you 4, or 40?  The only

Are you 4, or 40?  The only reason I can see behind that unintelligible rant regarding your poor judgement in the dating scene is you must extremely stupid, or mentally unbalanced.  Never you mind, though.  LILLITH made me say all that.

 

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metroatheists wrote:Adam and

metroatheists wrote:

Adam and Eve…and Lilith

A Contradiction in Terms.

Genesis 1:27- "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." You will notice that god creates man and woman AT THE SAME TIME and this woman’s name in never mentioned.

Actually, you can take this even further to indicate Adam wasn't the first man but this guy in Genesis 1:27 was when he was created with the first female which is construed to be Lilith.

As in Genesis 2:7, God makes man from the dust of the ground, and this guy is called Adam.

If Lilith is made in Genesis 1:27 not Eve, why does the guy need to be Adam?

"God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, - it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these divine attributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks please. Cash and in small bills." - Robert A Heinlein.

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forgot2wipe wrote:I should

forgot2wipe wrote:

I should add... At the time that I was researching the entire Lillith-saga, I was also giving dating a try. I met 4 different women for seperate dates within a 6 week span. Turns out the first 3 were married and looking for a 'fling'. The 4th and final was different... kinda special. We were moving right along 3 weeks later when allofasudden I get a call from HER husband!

I met 4 women... all married. 

And this is a problem why?

"God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, - it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these divine attributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks please. Cash and in small bills." - Robert A Heinlein.

Lilith

forgot2wipe,

Is it possible that you have misconstrued the meaning and subverted it to mean what you want it to?  For instance are you forgetting the part that men and women were created equal and it was only when Adam refused to consider Lilith equal that she left; thus he caused the problems and not she?  It seems you are following in Adam's footsteps by blaming Lilith, thus all women, for the problems created by man, thus you. As for your dating experience, maybe you should look into the fact of why you were seeking out and drawn to married women.  Perhaps it was a reflection of your own psyche?  You were reflecting your inability to commit to a relationship which in turn manifested itself into your being attracted to married women which would ensure that you did not have to commit.  In other words, before you point to women being the "evil" of the world, look into yourself first.  It is women who, according to you, are evil, wicked, and given your definition, supposed to be subservient to man.  Thus, any rebellion, independence, or act of free thinking that a woman does will be considered evil by not only you but all other misogynistic men. 

I am sure instead of thinking like a rational being and realizing the error in your thinking, you will believe that Lilith made me say this.  Let me caution you my friend, the basis of any document is that it is all literature to be interpreted.  Given that explanation, you can bloody well assume that there is more than one interpretation of a text and not all are right and not all are wrong.  Before you insult more people with your close minded, one sided reading of any text, I suggest that you get an education and learn exactly what it is that the texts you are reading are saying instead of making the text fit what you want it to say so you can get some kind of validation for your ignorance and your part in the failed marriage and dating.  Figure out what you did wrong and quit blaming others for your mistakes.

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forgot2wipe wrote:I read a

forgot2wipe wrote:

I read a few similar stories of Lillith approx 5 years ago and shared it with a friend recently. He wanted me to find some sort of documentation on it, so here I AM.

I'm 40 yrs old, happily-divorced almost 20 years now. Over all these years of raising my children, I've learned just how evil women can be and after reading numerous slightly different versions of Lillith, it almost makes sense to me now. Lillith is the reason that over HALF of the female population is currently so evil in our society. Think about it... so many women have lost their morals, family values, and can hardly be trusted in marriage. They're manipulative and evil.... ALL OFFSPRING OF LILLITH!!!

I should add... At the time that I was researching the entire Lillith-saga, I was also giving dating a try. I met 4 different women for seperate dates within a 6 week span. Turns out the first 3 were married and looking for a 'fling'. The 4th and final was different... kinda special. We were moving right along 3 weeks later when allofasudden I get a call from HER husband!

I met 4 women... all married.

Maybe it was just bad-timing. But add to this all of my on-going research of Lillith, her never-ending demon-offspring, etc... and it just...  it all JIVES NOW.

I should add that I was a lifelong athiest until approx 5 years ago too.

 

 

Your a shauvanistic moron.  Yes women can be crazy, and men can be stupid.  Men act stupid and women act crazy in -return and vice versa, we are equally emotional, its just when men get emotional they do dumb things like punch walls or people, when women  get emotional they act more crazy and irrational, both are just our way of deaing with whats going on inside based on our  hormone levels (more testosterone=more wall punchin, more estrogen=more emotional irationality.  Im sure your wife wronged you, but you are foolish to evergeneralize like  this!!!

forgot2wipe wrote:

I should add that I was a lifelong athiest until approx 5 years ago too.

Man what tragic thing happened to you, you realy are a sexist dumdum.

 

 

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who gives a flying shit

who gives a flying shit about this lilith stuff anyhow?  how the fuck is this relevant?

hell, even lilith fair sucked ass, in that patented mid-'90s corporate-sponsored "nonconformist" sort of way.  pepsi presents sarah mclachlan and all that.

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Most Christians have no clue

Most Christians have no clue about the religion their religion spun off of. But regardless, whatever texts you read, either Christian or Jewish, magic doesnt exist. "Poof" man came from dirt! "Poof" a woman came from his rib.

Would anyone believe this crap if it were written in Harry Potter?

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