Rush Limbaugh supporters make me rant...

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 Christians don't want their money going to contraception yet they wont fight to remove "In God We Trust" from the money that atheists must use. They wont ensure that atheists don't have to give their tax dollars to faith based spending groups. It doesn't even dawn on them that atheists might be offended at the notion that our tax dollars go to a faith based group.

They are out for self. They don't truly embrace their fellow man. They tend to be pro war, and pro death penalty. They are against YOU having an abortion even if you know you will not be able to provide a good life for your baby. They want you to have that baby even if it is the product of a rape. The money that you put into the pool to save their life is willingly accepted by them, the money that you might need to save your life is fought tooth and nail by them. About 20% of people are on contraception for health reasons not related to purposes of avoiding a pregnancy. They don't care.

Engaging in the Rush Limbaugh debate over the last few days shows me that many people support what he said. In fact they're more mad that he apologized than they are that he made dishonest arguments in a vile fashion. How many of the Rush Limbaugh supporters are disgusted at Rush and his perverted idea that he should be allowed to watch video of women having sex because they need contraception?

We as a society would be better and stronger without their views yet you don't hear about the army of atheists who want to refuse them the right to the funding that might save their life. That despicable quality is reserved for the religious person, and in this country predominantly the Christian.

Their ignorance and hypocrisy are disgusting. Even though they are a waste of air, I'd rather fight to educate them than to take away the funds that could save their life. Even though I know that educating someone that is as brainwashed as many of them are is nearly an impossible battle, I choose education over denial of funds, denial of life, denial of pursuit of liberty and happiness. They would deny you of all of those if they could, and they do try! They choose denial of funds. They choose the selfish route. They are out for self, they are a disgrace to the human race. Religion is a vile and evil concept that has corrupted the mind of man for far too long.

Poor critical thinking is the root of all evil. Religion is a byproduct of poor critical thinking, deceit, and a wee bit of evil. Today religious people have been hoodwinked by an archaic concept that contributes to many of the worlds problems. They don't apply critical thought to their politics and their religion. They allow Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and other scumbags to represent them and worse... convince them of nonsense without cross referencing any of it. They are sheep. They are dangerous to humanity, and I STILL WOULD SAVE THEIR LIFE! But they wont save yours.

Worst of all, they harm society in this way, all while claiming oppression.

And yes, I know these are generalizations. I know not everyone falls into this box, but many do. And the ones that do are the target of these statements.

This hypocrisy and lack of critical thought must stop. You must stand up and educate. Many of you do, you are my heroes, and my partners.

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It was a long time coming

It was a long time coming but it was sweet to see Rush finally face the fact that he is not the King.

You push anyone too far and they will fight back. Of course what we mean is with our words in the same venues people like Rush use to spew their sexist myth.

I think the net is a boon for pluralism and secularism. It is exposing the tribal gang mentality of theism. And it is also exposing the secular nature the intent  of the founders. We cannot afford to allow real problems such as jobs and pay gap to get swept aside by the fear mongers on the right.

But thanks to this website and Jake and Infidel Guy, all of us can work towards a future where skepticism and education are exalted and blind faith is ridiculed.

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Sapient wrote:How many of

Sapient wrote:

How many of the Rush Limbaugh supporters are disgusted at Rush and his perverted idea that he should be allowed to watch video of women having sex because they need contraception?

As someone who listens to too much talk radio I can assure you that comment was clearly meant to be an attempt at a joke. 

 

But as far as the rest of what you said I share your frustration with the inconsistent views among conservatives. Abortion is unacceptable but full steam ahead allowing the government to kill people? The mere mention of war gets you in a blind patriotic frenzy where you compete to show how much you "support the troops" by putting the in danger and watching them die? Claiming to support smaller federal government yet lining up for the "faith based" initiatives? Throw in the conservatives always saying they want government out of peoples lives yet they clamor for laws against gay marriage and online poker. Yeah the logical inconsistencies make me feel like a robot on Mudd's planet.

 

However, the logical gaps on the left drive me nuts too. How can anyone on the left support the idea that the government can force an individual to buy a product from a list of approved companies? Where the hell is the anti-war crowd when we are getting involved in a local civil war in Libya? Why does rarely anyone say a peep about Obama not only extending the Patriot Act but making it stronger? Our government has a list of American citizens to be assassinated, we don't know how they came up with that list, how it was reviewed, whether there was any attempt at due process. WTF is up with the crickets on both sides there. Virtually everyone I talk to seems to be against the government bailouts of the auto companies and banks, yet virtually everyone will be voting for some candidate that supports them?!?!? 

 

It seems to me that too many Americans become tied to whichever side they supported. The patriot act is great under Bush but terrible under Obama if you're a republican and vice versa if you're a democrat. When Bush was doing the bailouts it was a necessary evil because imagine how much worse it would be, but when Obama is doing them they are payoffs for his cronies if you're a republican and vice versa if you're a democrat. Too many people blindly follow their chosen political side rather than having formed political views on the issues. That is what allows our politicians to play both sides of the fence and run our country into the ground.

 

The contraception issue is going to be another one of these issues. In my mind, the question isn't whether or not the government should force people to buy insurance policies that cover contraception or policies that don't cover contraception. The question is whether the government has any business telling us what insurance policies we must buy for whom. Remember, this declaration that I must buy insurance that covers contraceptives for my employees is being done by executive fiat. In 4 years or 8 years whenever the next republican is president they can undo it with the stroke of a pen. In fact, the power granted to the executive branch is so strong that it could declare that no insurance can cover contraceptives or abortion. If you think that some day we aren't going to have a Santorum or Bush III in office who would quickly do just that you are living in a fantasy land.

 

When you give government the power to provide you things you also give it the power to take those things away. If there is anything you truly care about having, I suggest you keep the responsibility for providing that item for yourself rather than trusting the government to provide it for you. Because at the end of the day, no politician is going to care about you more than you care about yourself.  

 

It was morality that burned the books of the ancient sages, and morality that halted the free inquiry of the Golden Age and substituted for it the credulous imbecility of the Age of Faith. It was a fixed moral code and a fixed theology which robbed the human race of a thousand years by wasting them upon alchemy, heretic-burning, witchcraft and sacerdotalism.-H.L. Mencken

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Beyond Saving wrote:Sapient

Beyond Saving wrote:

Sapient wrote:

How many of the Rush Limbaugh supporters are disgusted at Rush and his perverted idea that he should be allowed to watch video of women having sex because they need contraception?

As someone who listens to too much talk radio I can assure you that comment was clearly meant to be an attempt at a joke. 

 

But as far as the rest of what you said I share your frustration with the inconsistent views among conservatives. Abortion is unacceptable but full steam ahead allowing the government to kill people? The mere mention of war gets you in a blind patriotic frenzy where you compete to show how much you "support the troops" by putting the in danger and watching them die? Claiming to support smaller federal government yet lining up for the "faith based" initiatives? Throw in the conservatives always saying they want government out of peoples lives yet they clamor for laws against gay marriage and online poker. Yeah the logical inconsistencies make me feel like a robot on Mudd's planet.

 

However, the logical gaps on the left drive me nuts too. How can anyone on the left support the idea that the government can force an individual to buy a product from a list of approved companies? Where the hell is the anti-war crowd when we are getting involved in a local civil war in Libya? Why does rarely anyone say a peep about Obama not only extending the Patriot Act but making it stronger? Our government has a list of American citizens to be assassinated, we don't know how they came up with that list, how it was reviewed, whether there was any attempt at due process. WTF is up with the crickets on both sides there. Virtually everyone I talk to seems to be against the government bailouts of the auto companies and banks, yet virtually everyone will be voting for some candidate that supports them?!?!? 

 

It seems to me that too many Americans become tied to whichever side they supported. The patriot act is great under Bush but terrible under Obama if you're a republican and vice versa if you're a democrat. When Bush was doing the bailouts it was a necessary evil because imagine how much worse it would be, but when Obama is doing them they are payoffs for his cronies if you're a republican and vice versa if you're a democrat. Too many people blindly follow their chosen political side rather than having formed political views on the issues. That is what allows our politicians to play both sides of the fence and run our country into the ground.

 

The contraception issue is going to be another one of these issues. In my mind, the question isn't whether or not the government should force people to buy insurance policies that cover contraception or policies that don't cover contraception. The question is whether the government has any business telling us what insurance policies we must buy for whom. Remember, this declaration that I must buy insurance that covers contraceptives for my employees is being done by executive fiat. In 4 years or 8 years whenever the next republican is president they can undo it with the stroke of a pen. In fact, the power granted to the executive branch is so strong that it could declare that no insurance can cover contraceptives or abortion. If you think that some day we aren't going to have a Santorum or Bush III in office who would quickly do just that you are living in a fantasy land.

 

When you give government the power to provide you things you also give it the power to take those things away. If there is anything you truly care about having, I suggest you keep the responsibility for providing that item for yourself rather than trusting the government to provide it for you. Because at the end of the day, no politician is going to care about you more than you care about yourself.  

 

You've got the social issues thing down, but you are still thinking like a theist that economics is all or nothing.

That is a utopia. And all I have ever tried to explain to you is that if you think government should have oversight so that it cannot have absolute power, AND YOU KNOW damned well I agree with that, why should the private sector be treated any differently? If government can be held to account which it should, why should't the private sector?

You what everything in simple black and white terms and act like the private sector DESPITE THE CRASH it created, can never do anything wrong. So if your premise is that you don't want your rights taken from you, then before you speed and have your license taken from you, DONT FUCKING SPEED. But don't blame the rest of us for standing up for ourselves with the same voting booth you use. the voting booth is not "for libertarian use only".

ABSOLUTE POWER corrupts and money DOES equal power and MONEY created this mess. Same crap that caused the great depression. Your martyrdom complex is just as absurd as when a theist claims to be the victim. Stop supporting the party that set up this crash.

Less government depends on self policing, and from what I see your mindset has done absolutely nothing prove that the rest of us should continue letting them have their way.

I vote to so don't bitch about a system which gives me rights too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Beyond Saving

Beyond Saving wrote:

Virtually everyone I talk to seems to be against the government bailouts of the auto companies and banks, yet virtually everyone will be voting for some candidate that supports them?!?!?

Huh?  I'm not one of those idiots, I'm one of the proud who applauds the brilliant move to save the auto companies and banks and return a handsome profit for America.  It's a travesty of the left that they haven't managed to market their ideas with accuracy.  The right wing media whores have framed the discussion in such a way as to make people think the bail outs were bad.  They might be the smartest economic thing to ever happen in this country.  They saved this country and returned a profit and yet the overwhelming majority of people are against it?  Idiots.

BUT... that's not the point of this thread.  Please don't take yet another thread down the, but I love conservatism path.  

This thread is all about the destructive nature of religion.  The destructive nature of religion on our minds.  It actually had nothing to do with you and your conservative views.  You're a rare breed, you actually fucking think.  This is about those who don't.  And are there idiots and inconsistent people on the left? Of course.  We all knew that already.  

 

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The issue of economics

The issue of economics although not the issue of the thread, is linked to the destructive nature of religion because it is used to divide us and distract us. Religion is merely superstitious politics with less pragmatism.

He suffers from the same fear mongering Fox sells with religion except in his case his fear is economics.

I wouldn't DARE suggest he have his right to dissent taken away. Like Voltaire said. I also would never suggest he has his voting rights or media rights taken from him, so on economic issues he is dead wrong long term. AS LONG as both of us defend freedom of speech and defend voting, short term and long term we will all have the opportunity make the change, we as individuals think might be good for us. He's just another person crying foul because he doesn't always get what he wants. WELL that is the way it works in a free society WE BOTH get to compete. He just cant stand losing an election. If we didn't have elections or the First Amendment, power could get to one side and stay there. I just find it pathetic that he thinks because I compete in the same way that somehow I want to create absolute power. It is so foreign to him that people who disagree with him can value the same things he does even if we don't agree on everything all the time.

Maybe if the right hadn't been so dogmatic in selling their religious bullshit, the criminals who caused this mess wouldn't have been able to get away with it. All you have to do on the right, to win an election is falsely shout "you want to rob me" "You hate religion" "You want to take my gun from me". And corporate America loves this tactic because it takes away the focus that the jobs are flying overseas and wages suck.

As soon as most of the public gets wise to their scam, we will be able to correct it, and what Beyond will see is that the Constitution WILL STILL be in tact, it just wont be monopolized by one party and one class. He'll still have his business and he'll still make money and hopefully he wont be sucked into Fox's crap.

 

 

 

 

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Brian Sapient

                    The good news is that "ranting  Rush"  probably isn't has influencial has he thinks, he may even fall off the radar soon, { ala Glenn Beck----, if you have 3:35 minutes to waste for a good cause try this video.               http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rzJFmPqqlk

 

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I wonder if Rush is having

I wonder if Rush is having the same feelings the Japanese Imperial military felt after they attacked Peril Harbor "I think we just woke up the sleeping giant".

Yea you did Rush. You are nothing but a blowhard bully. Now don't be a crybaby now that your opposition is using the same free market to hand your ass to you.

I give Kudos to McCain who TWICE has stood up to his own party and basically said that attacking your opposition is one thing and part of our bloody politics, but when you blatantly and falsely demonize someone with a flat out lie and hateful one at that, that is too far.

He did it with the old lady in debate and defended Obama. AND now called out Rush. When is the GOP going to shed that windbag?

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Brian37 wrote:I wonder if

Brian37 wrote:

I wonder if Rush is having the same feelings the Japanese Imperial military felt after they attacked Peril Harbor "I think we just woke up the sleeping giant".

Yea you did Rush. You are nothing but a blowhard bully. Now don't be a crybaby now that your opposition is using the same free market to hand your ass to you.

I give Kudos to McCain who TWICE has stood up to his own party and basically said that attacking your opposition is one thing and part of our bloody politics, but when you blatantly and falsely demonize someone with a flat out lie and hateful one at that, that is too far.

He did it with the old lady in debate and defended Obama. AND now called out Rush. When is the GOP going to shed that windbag?

 

Lol, Rush is doing just fine. This isn't the first time a bunch of advertisers bailed on him, indeed I think this is the third time Quicken loans has "suspended" their advertising. They will probably be back in a month when they see their sales drop. If not, many others will line up to advertise- his show reaches a large and loyal fan base of the type that is often stubborn enough to go out of their way to support businesses because they advertise on Rush. The same sheep christnuts that Sapient is talking about also make for great targets for advertising. If anything these types of controversies help him and I wouldn't doubt that he causes them on purpose.

 

At the end of the day, Rush is and always has been a "shock jock" and controversy is free advertising. It is kind of funny that the left lets Rush get to them so much and perpetuates his show by running around going "Can you believe what Rush said?" leading to more people listening just to hear what kind of outrageous things he will say next. He even made fun of the media for a bit by headlining something as the "media tweak of the day" then spending 10 minutes the next day highlighting news reports and blogs about what he said (Rush really likes to talk about himself). I hate to break it to you, but Rush isn't going anywhere until he retires.

 

However, as someone who has listened since the beginning I have had the feeling that he will be retiring when his current contract is up in 2016, he doesn't seem to put as much energy into the show he once did and has been taking a lot more vacations. So maybe you only have another four years, but $400 million dollars has a way of persuading a guy to keep working and his new wife isn't cheap. 

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Sapient, you evidently are the retard. Christians have not been against contraceptives, Roman Catholics have. Roman Catholcism is not Chrisitan. lol. Did you get your diploma or GED? It was a GED wasn't it? It had to of been. lol.

Where Chrisitans have had problems with the morning after pill and various contraceptives that actually murder the fertilized egg with the unborn child in the womb. Obviously speaking, since human life is found at conception where the sperm meets the egg DNA is formed thus creating instantly a child. unborn.

So logically contraceptive that murders the unborn child is unethical. Of course you atheist love abortion and probably have margaret sanger on your wall to masterbate over. Margaret Sanger is in hell as we speak being justly and praise the lord Tortured in Jesus name.

Obviously you're going to say that the child is not a child until after it is 100% after the womb. If it's toes are sticking out it is still not alive and is an IT. So D&X is perfectly acceptable to pull the feet out and suck the child's brain's out well because only the feet are hanging out. You guys are idiots.

There has been reported cases where the baby accidently came all the way out to where the "doctor" murdered the baby completely outside of the womb. hush hush. I actually met a few people who were reportedly saved by the nurse attending while the "doctor went away to get whatever he wanted.

But i'm not arguing dominately about abortion just the reasoning behind what kind of contraceptive is ethically horrific and what kind is perfectly find.

But if you have a disire to wear some silocone over your penis while you do your permiscuity as athiest, go right ahead. Go burn some rubber and get a few STD's along your ride.

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

A Rational Christian of Intelligence (rare)with a valid and sound justification for my epistemology and a logical refutation for those with logical fallacies and false worldviews upon their normative of thinking in retrospect to objective normative(s). This is only understood via the imago dei in which we all are.

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

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Hi

Hi,

Oh and one more thing. Rush Limbaugh was absolutely right about that Fluke Girl. She is absolutely 100% a slut and we the tax payer are her pimp. His apology was a "public relations" move so as not to lose his sponsers. Fluke knows this and has not accepted his apology.

You can usually see a slut a mile away. That red head girl Sapient had with him to "debate" kirk and Ray, she would be a perfect example of a slut. You can just tell by looking at her, whatever her name was. Tiger woods sucks at golf now but even he would make a hole in one with her.

I totally agree with rush, and it was not a joke, whoever said that was wrong.

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

A Rational Christian of Intelligence (rare)with a valid and sound justification for my epistemology and a logical refutation for those with logical fallacies and false worldviews upon their normative of thinking in retrospect to objective normative(s). This is only understood via the imago dei in which we all are.

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

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Jean Chauvin wrote:Hi,Oh and

Jean Chauvin wrote:

Hi,

Oh and one more thing. Rush Limbaugh was absolutely right about that Fluke Girl. She is absolutely 100% a slut and we the tax payer are her pimp. His apology was a "public relations" move so as not to lose his sponsers. Fluke knows this and has not accepted his apology.

You can usually see a slut a mile away. That red head girl Sapient had with him to "debate" kirk and Ray, she would be a perfect example of a slut. You can just tell by looking at her, whatever her name was. Tiger woods sucks at golf now but even he would make a hole in one with her.

I totally agree with rush, and it was not a joke, whoever said that was wrong.

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

To all reading this, let me take the time to once again remind everyone that Jean blamed the Tsunami that killed 13,000 people in Japan on America's lack of sucking up to his god. So you can either get angry at this twit or laugh at him. I was angry and he DID fuck with the wrong person because he did not know my x-was Japanese. But now I am perfectly happy letting him hang himself.

Keep it up Jean humanity needs to see an example of what a jackass looks like. My x- supports  choice and contraception. But what would a PHD biology major know?I bet you think she is a slut too.

 

 

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Beyond Saving wrote:Brian37

Beyond Saving wrote:

Brian37 wrote:

I wonder if Rush is having the same feelings the Japanese Imperial military felt after they attacked Peril Harbor "I think we just woke up the sleeping giant".

Yea you did Rush. You are nothing but a blowhard bully. Now don't be a crybaby now that your opposition is using the same free market to hand your ass to you.

I give Kudos to McCain who TWICE has stood up to his own party and basically said that attacking your opposition is one thing and part of our bloody politics, but when you blatantly and falsely demonize someone with a flat out lie and hateful one at that, that is too far.

He did it with the old lady in debate and defended Obama. AND now called out Rush. When is the GOP going to shed that windbag?

 

Lol, Rush is doing just fine. This isn't the first time a bunch of advertisers bailed on him, indeed I think this is the third time Quicken loans has "suspended" their advertising. They will probably be back in a month when they see their sales drop. If not, many others will line up to advertise- his show reaches a large and loyal fan base of the type that is often stubborn enough to go out of their way to support businesses because they advertise on Rush. The same sheep christnuts that Sapient is talking about also make for great targets for advertising. If anything these types of controversies help him and I wouldn't doubt that he causes them on purpose.

 

At the end of the day, Rush is and always has been a "shock jock" and controversy is free advertising. It is kind of funny that the left lets Rush get to them so much and perpetuates his show by running around going "Can you believe what Rush said?" leading to more people listening just to hear what kind of outrageous things he will say next. He even made fun of the media for a bit by headlining something as the "media tweak of the day" then spending 10 minutes the next day highlighting news reports and blogs about what he said (Rush really likes to talk about himself). I hate to break it to you, but Rush isn't going anywhere until he retires.

 

However, as someone who has listened since the beginning I have had the feeling that he will be retiring when his current contract is up in 2016, he doesn't seem to put as much energy into the show he once did and has been taking a lot more vacations. So maybe you only have another four years, but $400 million dollars has a way of persuading a guy to keep working and his new wife isn't cheap. 

You might be right that he could possibly recover. People both on the left and right can go down in flames or suffer setbacks only to come back. BUT this was a big one, I hope his opposition doesn't let go and I hope the damage done puts him in the history of society to remind us what a leach and divisive prick he is.

Not just on social issues, but economic as well. He is living in a utopia past and time has passed him by and he is on the wrong side of history. I'd advise you to dump idiots like him, he doesn't do your side any good.

 

 

 

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Hi Brian

Hi Brian,

Since you are a little bit uneducated and constantly attempt arguments out of passion, I will quote the father of empiricism for you, just to help you.

Quote:
The Law Is Free From Passion - Aristotle

Even Aristotle knew back then that emotional cry babies belong with their mommies and not in the ring where the real men are doing the fighting.

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

A Rational Christian of Intelligence (rare)with a valid and sound justification for my epistemology and a logical refutation for those with logical fallacies and false worldviews upon their normative of thinking in retrospect to objective normative(s). This is only understood via the imago dei in which we all are.

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

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Jean Chauvin wrote:Hi

Jean Chauvin wrote:

Hi Brian,

Since you are a little bit uneducated and constantly attempt arguments out of passion, I will quote the father of empiricism for you, just to help you.

Quote:
The Law Is Free From Passion - Aristotle

Even Aristotle knew back then that emotional cry babies belong with their mommies and not in the ring where the real men are doing the fighting.

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

I don't call women sluts, but you stick up for men who do. And you also have a view of your god claim that claims he held Japan hostage and murdered 13,000 people as hostages to threaten America to suck up to your god.

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Hi Brian

Hi Brian,

A slut is somebody who's hours are open 24 hours a day. A slut is somebody who just has sex over and over with thousands of different men just because. They are what we all easy and are always open.

As a result, because of so much sex, they usually obtain some sort of STD. Often time spreading it to others. The Bible talks about these type of woman. The concept conveyed is smilar to the conceopt of slut.

So via the definition of our culture, there are sluts out there. They are inconsistent to what it means to be a woman and as a result are deviant to what a woman is, They act like animals instead of woman. They are unclassy and have no worth in their minds of how they act.

pretty straight forward. It's hard to find a woman who is actually consistent to how they are to be intended.

God did not murder anybody, but Satan was the means to carry out the evil of the earthquake for reasons of justice in which the specifics are unknown to the world.

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

A Rational Christian of Intelligence (rare)with a valid and sound justification for my epistemology and a logical refutation for those with logical fallacies and false worldviews upon their normative of thinking in retrospect to objective normative(s). This is only understood via the imago dei in which we all are.

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

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You are talking about a LAW

You are talking about a LAW STUDENT  FROM GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY JACKASS and not even a porn star. And a individual's sexuality is not your fucking business nor that of the government, in any case.

However, Asia Carrera was a porn star and she is not a slut either. She is a member of Mensa and I am damned sure she has more brains and more morals than you will ever have.

Your Puritanical views are that of a scared insecure brat who cant stand that women have power and can do what they want with their own bodies.

Worry about your own microscopic dick, not that you can find it. You have no rights over the bodies of other humans jackass.

 

 

 

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Beyond Saving wrote:Sapient

Beyond Saving wrote:

Sapient wrote:

How many of the Rush Limbaugh supporters are disgusted at Rush and his perverted idea that he should be allowed to watch video of women having sex because they need contraception?

As someone who listens to too much talk radio I can assure you that comment was clearly meant to be an attempt at a joke.

As someone who has watched that part of his broadcast no less than 50 times now I can assure you he wasn't joking.  He was trying to drive his point home, and the fact that his mind went there shows how sick and perverted he is.

 

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Hey Sapient

Hey Sapient,  I saw ur post on fb questioning Lowe's and Rush. I was a general contractor and I caught Lowe's red-handed trying to

undercut me. I was there with one of my customers gathering some building materials. I went in the next aisle and overheard

one of their reps trying to get my customer to break contract with me and use them to do their remodeling, even tho they knew

damn well that I/we were buying all of our supplies from them.  I blew up! I went to the contractors desk to complain. They all knew

me there and had been on great terms with them. I made the manager pull up my account history. I had spent $350,000 there in the

last year. He assured me that they were acting according to Lowe's policy and they had the right to solicit any customers that come in the store.

Un-fucking-believable. After that I went out of my way to use Menard's and other wholesale suppliers. I'm sure whatever affiliation they have with

Rush and advertising will be denied. I've spread the word to every contractor and sub-contractor I know. I'll never go there again!

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Hey Brian

Hey Brian,

It becomes America's buisness when America has to flip the bill via our tax dollars for her lifestyle of being a slut. As simple as that. We're paying, we get to know how much of a slut she is.

She obviously is not that smart if she's spreading her legs open to the planet of men. I mean, how is high levels of STD risk intelligent lol.

Her behavior is lower then the animals.

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

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Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

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Jean Chauvin wrote:Hey

Jean Chauvin wrote:

Hey Brian,

It becomes America's buisness when America has to flip the bill via our tax dollars for her lifestyle of being a slut. As simple as that. We're paying, we get to know how much of a slut she is.

She obviously is not that smart if she's spreading her legs open to the planet of men. I mean, how is high levels of STD risk intelligent lol.

Her behavior is lower then the animals.

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

Why do you need mere humans to pry between her legs? You claim you have a super hero that can do whatever he wants. Why cant your magic man in the sky zap her or magically sew her vagina shut? Maybe she didn't listen to you when your daddy, as you claim , murdered 13,000 Japanese in the Tsunami to get even with America for not sucking up to your god.

 

 

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Jean Chauvin wrote:It

Jean Chauvin wrote:

It becomes America's buisness when America has to flip the bill via our tax dollars for her lifestyle of being a slut. 

Hey retard your tax dollars have nothing to do with it and wouldn't be contributed in any way to her receiving funds for contraception.

THAT WAS A LIE TOLD BY LIMBAUGH

AND THEN RETOLD BY CONSERVATIVE MEDIA

Secondly retard, the plan would SAVE you tax dollars and lower your health care costs by safely dealing with preventable diseases and higher cost procedures.

Did I mention you're a retard? 

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Sapient wrote:Jean Chauvin

Sapient wrote:

Jean Chauvin wrote:

It becomes America's buisness when America has to flip the bill via our tax dollars for her lifestyle of being a slut. 

Hey retard your tax dollars have nothing to do with it and wouldn't be contributed in any way to her receiving funds for contraception.

THAT WAS A LIE TOLD BY LIMBAUGH

AND THEN RETOLD BY CONSERVATIVE MEDIA

Secondly retard, the plan would SAVE you tax dollars and lower your health care costs by safely dealing with preventable diseases and higher cost procedures.

Did I mention you're a retard? 

Come on now Brian, Jean cant help it if his mom fed him lead paint chips and called them corn flakes. His dad was probably Rush Limbaugh. Jean is what happens when you drop your kids off at Fox News thinking it is day care.

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Hi Sapient

Sapient,

You're an idiot. Since Obama is pushing contraceptive's in healthcare which we all have to pay for, then it is inded the Americans paying for her slutty ways.

If we are spending money, that doesn't save money, and if you're talking about unwanted children, then that is pretty nasty since those children grow up and help the economy through the income which they make.

Sapient, Your ad hominems are pretty thick.

Rot in hell bastard, in Jesus Name.

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

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Respectfully,

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Jean Chauvin

Jean Chauvin wrote:

Sapient,

You're an idiot. Since Obama is pushing contraceptive's in healthcare which we all have to pay for, then it is inded the Americans paying for her slutty ways.

No dumbass, the mandate was for private insurance.  Your tax dollars don't go to pay for the contraceptives that Sandra Fluke was pushing for.  Stop listening to conservative media, it's one big lie.

 

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The ignorance of this issue

The ignorance of this issue concerning health care coverage for women is astounding. No one seems to have the correct facts because the media is misinforming others about the real issue here.

 

Sandra Fluke is not using tax payer dollars to get contraceptives.

Sandra Fluke has private health care, it is not being provided by the school.

Sandra Fluke wasn't speaking for herself, she was speaking for all women including herself.

Birth control pills control hormone levels for a variety of female health issues.

Birth control devices lower health care costs by reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies.

 

The fact that "fox news circles" are pushing this rhetoric is an example of what is wrong in America. Instead of focusing on the real issues they stir up controversy to increase their viewership and make more profit.

 

 

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digitalbeachbum wrote:The

digitalbeachbum wrote:

The ignorance of this issue concerning health care coverage for women is astounding. No one seems to have the correct facts because the media is misinforming others about the real issue here.

 

Sandra Fluke is not using tax payer dollars to get contraceptives.

Sandra Fluke has private health care, it is not being provided by the school.

Sandra Fluke wasn't speaking for herself, she was speaking for all women including herself.

Birth control pills control hormone levels for a variety of female health issues.

Birth control devices lower health care costs by reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies.

 

The fact that "fox news circles" are pushing this rhetoric is an example of what is wrong in America. Instead of focusing on the real issues they stir up controversy to increase their viewership and make more profit.

 

 

I am not going to rub a fat belly merely because I agree with you. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go up to a hot dog cart and ask for one with everything.

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digitalbeachbum wrote:Sandra

digitalbeachbum wrote:

Sandra Fluke is not using tax payer dollars to get contraceptives.

Not currently. With the ruling taxpayer money will be used in the form of subsidies and higher premiums for everyone who purchases insurance (which is required by law)

 

digitalbeachbum wrote:

Sandra Fluke has private health care, it is not being provided by the school.

So? The issue is that the government is declaring what private healthcare must cover. You must have insurance from somewhere, either you pay for it yourself or someone else does. For those who are not paying themselves, employers and/or government subsidies pick up the tab. That is money from yours truly whether it is filtered through the government or not, I am forced to purchase birth control. I have no moral objections to birth control in particular, I have a moral objection to you forcing me to pay for your healthcare. But the assertions by you and Sapient that taxes will not be used to subsidize this in any way and somehow people who do have moral problems will not be paying for it are flat out false.

 

Read the fucking law. http://www.healthcare.gov/law/resources/authorities/patient-protection.pdf

The ruling affects what health insurance counts as qualified and therefore satisfies the coverage requirements for businesses and individuals under the mandates. The relevant sections in this discussion are title I & title IX, don't take my word for it, educate yourself then come back here and explain to me how I am not paying for it, and if I'm not, who is?

 

digitalbeachbum wrote:

Birth control pills control hormone levels for a variety of female health issues.

So? Whether or not birth control is a good idea or has medical merit is irrelevant to whether or not I should be forced to pay for it. I am not a woman, I am incapable of getting pregnant and have no medical reason to need birth control. Why should I have to pay for insurance that covers birth control? Why should I have to buy insurance for my employees that covers birth control? Why should I have to pay higher taxes to fund subsidies for people to buy insurance that covers birth control?

 

No one is trying to stop anyone from purchasing birth control. The only issue is who pays for it. Sandra Fluke apparently believes that employers should. I think she should pay for it herself. She is 30 years old and in law school ffs, grow up and pay for your own needs and desires. 30 years old and no kid, smart money says she has had no problem obtaining birth control. 

 

If I decide I want to have a kid, is someone going to pick up the tab for me?

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Beyond Saving

Beyond Saving wrote:

digitalbeachbum wrote:

Sandra Fluke is not using tax payer dollars to get contraceptives.

Not currently. With the ruling taxpayer money will be used in the form of subsidies and higher premiums for everyone who purchases insurance (which is required by law)

 

digitalbeachbum wrote:

Sandra Fluke has private health care, it is not being provided by the school.

So? The issue is that the government is declaring what private healthcare must cover. You must have insurance from somewhere, either you pay for it yourself or someone else does. For those who are not paying themselves, employers and/or government subsidies pick up the tab. That is money from yours truly whether it is filtered through the government or not, I am forced to purchase birth control. I have no moral objections to birth control in particular, I have a moral objection to you forcing me to pay for your healthcare. But the assertions by you and Sapient that taxes will not be used to subsidize this in any way and somehow people who do have moral problems will not be paying for it are flat out false.

 

Read the fucking law. http://www.healthcare.gov/law/resources/authorities/patient-protection.pdf

The ruling affects what health insurance counts as qualified and therefore satisfies the coverage requirements for businesses and individuals under the mandates. The relevant sections in this discussion are title I & title IX, don't take my word for it, educate yourself then come back here and explain to me how I am not paying for it, and if I'm not, who is?

 

digitalbeachbum wrote:

Birth control pills control hormone levels for a variety of female health issues.

So? Whether or not birth control is a good idea or has medical merit is irrelevant to whether or not I should be forced to pay for it. I am not a woman, I am incapable of getting pregnant and have no medical reason to need birth control. Why should I have to pay for insurance that covers birth control? Why should I have to buy insurance for my employees that covers birth control? Why should I have to pay higher taxes to fund subsidies for people to buy insurance that covers birth control?

 

No one is trying to stop anyone from purchasing birth control. The only issue is who pays for it. Sandra Fluke apparently believes that employers should. I think she should pay for it herself. She is 30 years old and in law school ffs, grow up and pay for your own needs and desires. 30 years old and no kid, smart money says she has had no problem obtaining birth control. 

 

If I decide I want to have a kid, is someone going to pick up the tab for me?

Beyond, please cut it with your utopia bullshit that government should never step in. This is cherry picking. You lost an election, get over it. I fucking paid for two useless wars, I'm not demanding your party be outlawed.

"Government bad, always bad". I am tired of that shit. Women have as as much right to compete for laws they want as you do compete for the laws you want. And I'd say their health is far more important than your selfish bullshit. The rights of people with money, do not trump the rights of the rest of us.

YOU WANT PEOPLE TO BE MORE INDEPENDENT you keep masturbating over that idea, but the private sector doesn't want to do shit to help. DON'T BITCH, it is our government, not just yours.

You'd let women die just to keep money and your taxes, SICK, just plain fucking sick.

 

 

 

 

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Well this has been

Well this has been an interesting read. I have been busy with two jobs lately, and have not had a lot of time to log in. Good to see that things are as heated as always.

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Brian37 wrote:You'd let

Brian37 wrote:

You'd let women die just to keep money and your taxes, SICK, just plain fucking sick. 

 

Provide me the name of one woman who has died because she couldn't afford birth control. 

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Beyond Saving wrote:If I

Beyond Saving wrote:

If I decide I want to have a kid, is someone going to pick up the tab for me?

Yes.  You pick up that tab for all people who have kids right now.  That tab goes down if people who want birth control have decent access to it at a price that entices them to take it when they should.  

 

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Beyond Saving wrote:Brian37

Beyond Saving wrote:

Brian37 wrote:

You'd let women die just to keep money and your taxes, SICK, just plain fucking sick. 

Provide me the name of one woman who has died because she couldn't afford birth control. 

I think he was suggesting your intent, not what has happened in the past.  

On this issue, it might be more appropriate to think of people who have died because they couldn't afford other much more expensive treatments like transplants, cancer treatment, and aids medicines.  The issue of pregnancy has a much more Christian flair to it.  Christians seem to want everyone to have lots of babies, and don't want there to be any support in place for those babies.  They have no problem bitching about "welfare babies" but have a problem with ensuring that people who don't want welfare babies have easy ways to avoid them.  

There may not be many people that have died as a result of not being able to afford birth control (although there probably are), it wouldn't be ill conceived to think of the people who have died as a result of an unwanted pregnancy.  

How many kids have committed suicide because they were brought into a world in which they weren't wanted like parents who plan to conceive?

How many parents commit suicide over it?

I know these are hard to answer, but those are just the first two questions in a list that's 100 questions long in my head.  A list that I can shake my head and say... "yeah as a result of an unplanned or unwanted pregnancy... I can see that problem."   Why you don't theorize on that level has me curious.  You say you listen to a lot of talk radio and that you know Rush well.  How much Limbaugh and Hannity are you listening to?  Seriously.

 

 

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@Beyond Saving

Yep, I know what they say about this shit but guess what, laws are never perfect the first time around. It takes years to perfect laws and make modifications to them.

The old setup was much worse and guess what, it favored the rich, it favored the insurance companies, it favored those who knew how to manipulate the system.

I had a friend here in Florida who got cancer. She lost her job after 30 years at a small vet clinic. She had money saved but lost her insurance. They said, "oops you have a pre-existing condition, no coverage". So she had to pay out of pocket. Well after three years of treatments and two relapses she is flat broke. This all thanks to the shit head Bill McCollumn who doesn't need to worry about money because he's fucking wealthy as gold itself.

If you think the other system was worthwhile then you must be a shitmaster. You are one of the people I'd prefer to crawl under a rock and disappear.

Tell me this oh wise and knowledgeable encyclopedia, tell me why you need a fucking job to have insurance? I'm a contractor and I can't get insurance with out paying out the ass for it. It's a fucked up system and it sucks. I'm happy they are making changes to it and neither the democrats and republicans both suck cock for not making changes earlier.

 

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 You know what's really

 You know what's really ironic about what Beyond Saving just asked?  Our buddy Hambydammit has just written a post about the AZ Senate and how they will allow women to die instead of offer them proper services, one of them being... CONTRACEPTION!  

 

snip of Hamby post wrote:
The web of religious "logic" is mind boggling. Women should be denied access to contraception, and should be forced to carry any pregnancy to term, no matter how unwanted or how dangerous to the woman. Doctors should be allowed to let women die, even in cases where the pregnancy wasn't viable in the first place. Women should be deprived of the basic right to know that there is even a problem. When all the puzzle pieces are in place, it is so shockingly inhumane and devoid of empathy that one begins to suspect that she is being governed by a cadre of sociopaths.

 

Here is his opening snippet...

Quote:
The Arizona Senate has elevated extremist lawmaking to an art form. By a 20-9 margin, they have approved a measure which would do no less than legalize medical malpractice and give physicians permission to break the Hippocratic Oath. (LINK) The bill's primary purpose is to provide immunity from malpractice suits to doctors who choose not to inform pregnant women of health risks -- including life-threatening conditions -- associated with the pregnancy.

Let's put this in proper perspective: The Arizona Senate thinks it's a good idea for doctors to allow women to die. This is a breathtakingly heinous concept: The Arizona Senate wants to give doctors permission to allow women to die, rather than inform them that their life is at risk! The Arizona Senate wants doctors to allow women TO DIE.

It's so shocking, so fantastically devoid of human compassion, so fanatically extremist that it's almost easier to turn away than to face the harsh reality: In America, in the 21st century, in the country that believes itself the moral compass by which other countries ought to be judged, we are actually having a discussion about throwing the Hippocratic Oath out the window! Dating to the 5th Century BCE, the Hippocratic Oath is accepted the world over as the standard by which physicians are to be judged. It affirms the obligation to treat patients when they need treatment, and never to withhold that which a patient needs.

Continue reading on Examiner.com AZ Senate bill contradicts Hippocratic Oath, encourages malpractice. - Atlanta atheism | Examiner.com 

 

 

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digitalbeachbum wrote:Yep, I

digitalbeachbum wrote:

Yep, I know what they say about this shit but guess what, laws are never perfect the first time around. It takes years to perfect laws and make modifications to them.

Yes I know it's nowhere near perfect.  It doesn't do anywhere near enough for the underinsured and uninsured.  It was watered down and beaten up by politicians who took health care company lobbyist money to ensure that people like Brian Sapient still don't have health insurance, or the ability to afford it.

I am one of those people who if diagnosed with cancer tomorrow would not get treatment as I can't afford it.  My retirement plan is lack of health insurance.  I figure I'll die by 50.  I fashion myself as a valuable member of society who assumes he wont be able to afford to stay alive past 50ish, how many more of us are out there?  And for each one of us, is there some wealthy man arguing how he shouldn't have to help?  Someone tell that guy that he contributed to the income disparity in this country, he created the system that kills off valuable members of society before their time, someone please try to find an empathetic bone in his body... although it may require expensive surgery to get around his fat wallet.  Don't worry he can afford it, in fact he can pay cash... but he doesn't have to.

 

 

 

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the system failed me

I worked my ass off since i was 15. Moved out n took care of myself at 17. Had 1 job at diamond star motors that provided descent blue cross. Company downsized and i got layed off. After that i started my own construction business and insurance rates were not even possible for me when i started. I then was diagnosed with an incurable disease. I tried to get insurance later when i might have been able to afford it and no insurance company will write me. My doctor insisted that i go to the hospital to get tests and specialized treatments, diagnosis and medications. I told him i didn't have insurance and couldn't afford out of pocket hospital care. He assured me that it would all work itself out. So i go to the hospital(which he works under and he sent me to) to check in and i tell them my story. They said "well we have charities and what not to help out". So i said fuck it and signed in. what the hell else am i gonna do? They knocked down the bill a little but i'm still sittin here as we speak with 40k in bills sittin in my lap. Phone rings 12 times a day from the hospital's collection agencies. Now methodist medical has cut me off as a patient and my doctor can't see me anymore cuz he works under them.-even tho i always paid cash for every office visit and all my meds. I am now getting social security disability insurance benefits(which i paid into for 25 yrs). But i had to go 2 yrs without any income to get it. And if i wouldn't have went to the hospital i never would have gotten my disability. Try going 2 yrs w no money at all coming in. I had an excellent credit score and always lived within my means. Now I'm fucked. I can't even rent a decent apartment with my new bad credit. And here i am. Still incurable. Still gonna die. Still taking the same meds just to help the same syptoms. And cannot possible pay the hospital, and i don't feel good about that. Tell me where i went wrong. Not only did i work my ass off but i provided others with decent paying jobs. Tell me our system isn't totally fucked.

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 There's two fucked

 There's two fucked valuable members of society because of the mentality "why should I have to help him, it doesn't affect me."  Fuck no it doesn't.

One of those people was a job creator, the other is ending religion.  Fuck em, let em die... it doesn't affect me.  

 

 

 

 

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Sapient wrote:Yes I know

Sapient wrote:
Yes I know it's nowhere near perfect.  It doesn't do anywhere near enough for the underinsured and uninsured.  It was watered down and beaten up by politicians who took health care company lobbyist money to ensure that people like Brian Sapient still don't have health insurance, or the ability to afford it.

I am one of those people who if diagnosed with cancer tomorrow would not get treatment as I can't afford it.  My retirement plan is lack of health insurance.  I figure I'll die by 50.  I fashion myself as a valuable member of society who assumes he wont be able to afford to stay alive past 50ish, how many more of us are out there?  And for each one of us, is there some wealthy man arguing how he shouldn't have to help?  Someone tell that guy that he contributed to the income disparity in this country, he created the system that kills off valuable members of society before their time, someone please try to find an empathetic bone in his body... although it may require expensive surgery to get around his fat wallet.  Don't worry he can afford it, in fact he can pay cash... but he doesn't have to.

 

One of my other posts mentioned the issue here in Florida with Bill "I'm a total douche" McCollumn. He lost his bid for Senate and he slipped away to lick his wounds. Unfortunately the douche thought it would be a good idea to sue the Feds because he said the new health care law was wrong. Of course, he's a lawyer so this is a way for him to keep his tiny brain from getting too mushy.

People down here hate the fucker and if he tried to run again they would have a field day by ripping him a new one.

As for the laws and health care, I'm a lucky one. I served in The Corps and I have health care until I die. I can even get prescriptions really cheap. It's about the only thing I've got going for me when I get too old. But I've been proactive, I've been changing my diet and my daily routine in an attempt to stay healthy.

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digitalbeachbum wrote: But

digitalbeachbum wrote:

 But I've been proactive, I've been changing my diet and my daily routine in an attempt to stay healthy.

Me too.  And as I do it... work out and what not I feel my knees and elbows starting to have problems.  I don't know what those problems are, I can't afford to find out.  I know of people that get those replaced at some point, but I couldn't tell you if I'm on that path or not.  Or some other path.  Hopefully someday health insurance will be affordable and provide appropriate service for what we pay.  I don't remember what it's like to have it.  

 

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Sapient wrote:How many kids

Sapient wrote:

How many kids have committed suicide because they were brought into a world in which they weren't wanted like parents who plan to conceive?

How many parents commit suicide over it?

I know these are hard to answer, but those are just the first two questions in a list that's 100 questions long in my head.  A list that I can shake my head and say... "yeah as a result of an unplanned or unwanted pregnancy... I can see that problem."   Why you don't theorize on that level has me curious.  You say you listen to a lot of talk radio and that you know Rush well.  How much Limbaugh and Hannity are you listening to?  Seriously.

How many wanted kids commit suicide? I was an unplanned unwanted kid, an "aw shit" moment for my parents, I'm fine. I'm sure other kids who were well planned decided to commit suicide. I guess there is some aspect that children of poor parents are more likely to remain poor so maybe for the sake of society we should eliminate them. I can't bring myself to be that cold. I suspect that the vast majority of unplanned kids occur for a reason similar to my parents, the mood is right the booze is good and oops. Not an inability to get a condom or birth control pill, just a lack of thinking before fucking. It doesn't matter if the contraception is free if the parties involved are too busy to think about it. And really, contraception is virtually free. It is far cheaper than your cell phone. IF you don't want to be pregnant it is quite inexpensive to avoid and there are several charities that will help you fund an abortion if one is needed. I remain unconvinced that there is this massive number of unwanted kids to be born unless you have some evidence. Sure, there are those who might refuse an abortion and have an unwanted kid, but they will probably refuse contraception too... 

 

I used to listen to Rush every day. Now I listen 2 or 3 days a week. Can't stand listening to Hannity for more than 2 minutes. I liked Beck when he was funny but as he got famous and started his "end of the world turn to god" shit I gave up. Believe it or not, his show used to be full of humor. I enjoy catching Boortz or Miller but usually don't have the time. From the left side of the spectrum I enjoy listening to Thom Hartman and Nor-man Gold-man both of whom I have serious disagreements but find generally honest in their arguments. Norman Goldman is especially good listening on legal issues. 

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digitalbeachbum wrote:Yep, I

digitalbeachbum wrote:

Yep, I know what they say about this shit but guess what, laws are never perfect the first time around. It takes years to perfect laws and make modifications to them.

The old setup was much worse and guess what, it favored the rich, it favored the insurance companies, it favored those who knew how to manipulate the system.

I had a friend here in Florida who got cancer. She lost her job after 30 years at a small vet clinic. She had money saved but lost her insurance. They said, "oops you have a pre-existing condition, no coverage". So she had to pay out of pocket. Well after three years of treatments and two relapses she is flat broke. This all thanks to the shit head Bill McCollumn who doesn't need to worry about money because he's fucking wealthy as gold itself.

If you think the other system was worthwhile then you must be a shitmaster. You are one of the people I'd prefer to crawl under a rock and disappear.

Tell me this oh wise and knowledgeable encyclopedia, tell me why you need a fucking job to have insurance? I'm a contractor and I can't get insurance with out paying out the ass for it. It's a fucked up system and it sucks. I'm happy they are making changes to it and neither the democrats and republicans both suck cock for not making changes earlier.

 

 

That is the danger of having your health insurance tied to your job. It is a very bad idea to get health insurance through your employer, precisely because when you leave that insurance contract is broken regardless of whether you left on your own volition. I would not object to a law that made those contracts binding so that when you leave your employer you simply have to pay your portion plus whatever your employer was paying and get the same benefits. I think it is bullshit that insurance companies are allowed to raise the rates simply because you convert from group insurance to individual. That is a minor change that could easily be done at absolutely zero cost to the government. I have been a huge advocate over the years of purchasing an individual policy even if it is slightly more expensive than your employers policy for that very reason. 

 

As for being self employed and getting insurance, look at high deductible polices like Health Savings Accounts. You can usually get one between $100-200 a month depending on your state, age and health. You will have to pay most of your medical costs, but for the really big stuff that destroys your budget your are covered. If you want a policy that covers your doctors visit for a cold you will pay through the ass, so will whoever employs you. If you are willing to pay the first $1500+ out of pocket your premiums drop dramatically. Unfortunately, those plans will be going under by 2014 in which case you will be forced to purchase the expensive plan whether you like it or not. And as a contractor you probably make enough money to not qualify for the subsidies which means you are going to be fucked. Good luck working the $400 a month plan into your budget. I'm not the one making you buy it.    

 

 

It was morality that burned the books of the ancient sages, and morality that halted the free inquiry of the Golden Age and substituted for it the credulous imbecility of the Age of Faith. It was a fixed moral code and a fixed theology which robbed the human race of a thousand years by wasting them upon alchemy, heretic-burning, witchcraft and sacerdotalism.-H.L. Mencken

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tonyjeffers wrote:I worked

tonyjeffers wrote:

I worked my ass off since i was 15. Moved out n took care of myself at 17. Had 1 job at diamond star motors that provided descent blue cross. Company downsized and i got layed off. After that i started my own construction business and insurance rates were not even possible for me when i started. I then was diagnosed with an incurable disease. I tried to get insurance later when i might have been able to afford it and no insurance company will write me. My doctor insisted that i go to the hospital to get tests and specialized treatments, diagnosis and medications. I told him i didn't have insurance and couldn't afford out of pocket hospital care. He assured me that it would all work itself out. So i go to the hospital(which he works under and he sent me to) to check in and i tell them my story. They said "well we have charities and what not to help out". So i said fuck it and signed in. what the hell else am i gonna do? They knocked down the bill a little but i'm still sittin here as we speak with 40k in bills sittin in my lap. Phone rings 12 times a day from the hospital's collection agencies. Now methodist medical has cut me off as a patient and my doctor can't see me anymore cuz he works under them.-even tho i always paid cash for every office visit and all my meds. I am now getting social security disability insurance benefits(which i paid into for 25 yrs). But i had to go 2 yrs without any income to get it. And if i wouldn't have went to the hospital i never would have gotten my disability. Try going 2 yrs w no money at all coming in. I had an excellent credit score and always lived within my means. Now I'm fucked. I can't even rent a decent apartment with my new bad credit. And here i am. Still incurable. Still gonna die. Still taking the same meds just to help the same syptoms. And cannot possible pay the hospital, and i don't feel good about that. Tell me where i went wrong. Not only did i work my ass off but i provided others with decent paying jobs. Tell me our system isn't totally fucked.

 

If it is incurable it is incurable whether you have a billion dollars or none. I mean, I'm sorry, it sucks. Insurance by definition means you buy it before something bad happens. Once the shit hits the fan no insurance company is going to touch you because it is automatically a financial loss for them. They know how much you will be spending and the only way for them to earn money is to charge you more which would make the premiums so high you can't afford them. There isn't much that can be done about the debt and if I were you I wouldn't really worry about it, once the debt is sold from the hospital to a collection agency the hospital doesn't get the money anyway. Save your money for your immediate needs and let the collectors bash their heads against the wall until they give up. 

 

I don't know where you live, but the way charity care works in hospitals is the usually have a fund to work off of. Some hospitals burn through those funds quicker than others, so if the hospital you are going through is getting too much charity traffic try giving a call to one further from the population center or see if there is a hospital that is running any kind of trial runs that relate to your specific disease.

 

Charity giving to hospitals has dropped dramatically, something I am trying to change. In my dream world I would like to see governments role substantially diminished and private charities taking over the role. In the real world, private charities are not strong enough right now. However, as far as the government is concerned I think it would be far better if we simply devoted our resources to helping out pure bad luck cases like yours rather than arguing about paying for contraceptives for Miss Fluke or paying medicare benefits to millionaires. As long as our government is obsessed with giving unneeded benefits to those who could pay for them themselves just to get a few votes, it ignores those who are truly in need and have no viable options. 

 

 

It was morality that burned the books of the ancient sages, and morality that halted the free inquiry of the Golden Age and substituted for it the credulous imbecility of the Age of Faith. It was a fixed moral code and a fixed theology which robbed the human race of a thousand years by wasting them upon alchemy, heretic-burning, witchcraft and sacerdotalism.-H.L. Mencken

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Hey Beyond

Beyond Saving wrote:

tonyjeffers wrote:

I worked my ass off since i was 15. Moved out n took care of myself at 17. Had 1 job at diamond star motors that provided descent blue cross. Company downsized and i got layed off. After that i started my own construction business and insurance rates were not even possible for me when i started. I then was diagnosed with an incurable disease. I tried to get insurance later when i might have been able to afford it and no insurance company will write me. My doctor insisted that i go to the hospital to get tests and specialized treatments, diagnosis and medications. I told him i didn't have insurance and couldn't afford out of pocket hospital care. He assured me that it would all work itself out. So i go to the hospital(which he works under and he sent me to) to check in and i tell them my story. They said "well we have charities and what not to help out". So i said fuck it and signed in. what the hell else am i gonna do? They knocked down the bill a little but i'm still sittin here as we speak with 40k in bills sittin in my lap. Phone rings 12 times a day from the hospital's collection agencies. Now methodist medical has cut me off as a patient and my doctor can't see me anymore cuz he works under them.-even tho i always paid cash for every office visit and all my meds. I am now getting social security disability insurance benefits(which i paid into for 25 yrs). But i had to go 2 yrs without any income to get it. And if i wouldn't have went to the hospital i never would have gotten my disability. Try going 2 yrs w no money at all coming in. I had an excellent credit score and always lived within my means. Now I'm fucked. I can't even rent a decent apartment with my new bad credit. And here i am. Still incurable. Still gonna die. Still taking the same meds just to help the same syptoms. And cannot possible pay the hospital, and i don't feel good about that. Tell me where i went wrong. Not only did i work my ass off but i provided others with decent paying jobs. Tell me our system isn't totally fucked.

 

If it is incurable it is incurable whether you have a billion dollars or none. I mean, I'm sorry, it sucks. Insurance by definition means you buy it before something bad happens. Once the shit hits the fan no insurance company is going to touch you because it is automatically a financial loss for them. They know how much you will be spending and the only way for them to earn money is to charge you more which would make the premiums so high you can't afford them. There isn't much that can be done about the debt and if I were you I wouldn't really worry about it, once the debt is sold from the hospital to a collection agency the hospital doesn't get the money anyway. Save your money for your immediate needs and let the collectors bash their heads against the wall until they give up. 

 

I don't know where you live, but the way charity care works in hospitals is the usually have a fund to work off of. Some hospitals burn through those funds quicker than others, so if the hospital you are going through is getting too much charity traffic try giving a call to one further from the population center or see if there is a hospital that is running any kind of trial runs that relate to your specific disease.

 

Charity giving to hospitals has dropped dramatically, something I am trying to change. In my dream world I would like to see governments role substantially diminished and private charities taking over the role. In the real world, private charities are not strong enough right now. However, as far as the government is concerned I think it would be far better if we simply devoted our resources to helping out pure bad luck cases like yours rather than arguing about paying for contraceptives for Miss Fluke or paying medicare benefits to millionaires. As long as our government is obsessed with giving unneeded benefits to those who could pay for them themselves just to get a few votes, it ignores those who are truly in need and have no viable options. 

 

 

I totally get that part. But what now? It may take years for my illness to kill me. They can't say for sure, but from my research it's probably anywhere from 2-10 yrs. I can't even get insurance that would cover unrelated  things. My particular illness they can find a way to relate almost anything I would try to claim to it. And on a selfish note, at many times I'm able to get around pretty good and would like to do some things with the time I have left. I almost get to the point to where I'm afraid to do anything. but i'd like to do some at least mildly adventurous stuff with the time i have left. I've had a few people tell me that there are high priced policies out there for such things, but you hear too many stories of insurance co's pulling out the "related to existing conditions" card. Regardless, my regular ins agent is a good friend and he says don't bother-nobody will write me at all. I guess I'm eligible for medicare in 2 yrs. Wonder how well that's gonna work out?  I hope I don't need any major treatments in the meantime.


 

"...but truth is a point of view, and so it is changeable. And to rule by fettering the mind through fear of punishment in another world is just as base as to use force." -Hypatia