Evidence towards Hitlers christianity.

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Evidence towards Hitlers christianity.


Hitler leaving Church

Hitler leaves the Marine Church in Wilhelmshaven.

(Source: The German Propaganda Archive )

Hitler at Nazi party rally

Note the "Church of our Lady" in the background as if it represented the foundation of the party. Photo taken in Nuremberg, Germany (circa 1928).
(Source: 20th Century History)

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Hitler in front of "Church of our Lady" in Nuremberg, Sept. 1934. Photographer, Heinrich Hoffmann.

(Source: USHMM)


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And if that's not

And if that's not enough:

 

Hitler signing his autograph for a Christian fan

(Source: Hitler in Seinen Bergen, Heinrich Hoffmann, Berlin, den 24.9.35)

Hitler praying

The caption reads: "Der ergreifende Abschlub der Kundgebung in Wien: Wir treten zum Beten..."

[The touching and emotional end of the rally in Vienna: Let us pray...]

(Source: Hitler: The Hoffmann Photographs, Vol. 1, Ray R. Cowdery, Ed., 1990)

 

 


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Point?

Point?


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Theists often try to say on

Theists often try to say on here he was an atheist.


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Hitler was a politician who

Hitler was a politician who would work with anyone and everyone to secure a powerbase.  This included the Catholic church.

Saying Hitler was a practicing Catholic is like saying Stalin was a practicing atheist.  It's a dishonest statement based upon actions they took to further their own political agendas. 

Freedom of religious belief is an inalienable right. Stuffing that belief down other people's throats is not.


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I wonder how many years it

I wonder how many years it will be until apologists say Bush wasn't really a Christian but merely using religion to advance his political agenda?  Already people aren't saying he isn't really a conservative.  So too with Hitler.  Hitler was a Christian and was pursuing a crusade against the Jews just like Bush is pursuing a crusade against Muslims.


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I wonder how long it will

I wonder how long it will be before people stop making ludicrous statements like the one above.

Seriously, I'm an atheist but I know my political history.   The idea that Hitler killed the Jews in the name of Christ is ludicrous.  It was done in the name of political ideology. 

Or do you want to come up with a convincing argument as to why the Nazis killed the mentally infirm on religious grounds too?

Freedom of religious belief is an inalienable right. Stuffing that belief down other people's throats is not.


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Hitler was a creationist

Hitler was a creationist and believed God created the Aryans as the master race but became impure by breeding with inferior stock.  The mentally retarded, mentally ill, homosexuals, Slavs, and Jews were a product of bad breeding.  Hitler wanted to restore the Aryans to the perfection that God had created.

It was and still is a common belief in Christianity.  The Bible mentions how fallen angels bred with humans and God had to flood the world to cleanse the world of impurities.  It had been so bad that only Noah and his family were still pure.  Apparently Hitler thought the world had become impure again and emulated his God and sought a final solution to cleanse impure/inferior stock. 


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D-cubed wrote: Hitler was

D-cubed wrote:

Hitler was a creationist and believed God created the Aryans as the master race but became impure by breeding with inferior stock. The mentally retarded, mentally ill, homosexuals, Slavs, and Jews were a product of bad breeding. Hitler wanted to restore the Aryans to the perfection that God had created.

It was and still is a common belief in Christianity. The Bible mentions how fallen angels bred with humans and God had to flood the world to cleanse the world of impurities. It had been so bad that only Noah and his family were still pure. Apparently Hitler thought the world had become impure again and emulated his God and sought a final solution to cleanse impure/inferior stock.

 

Sorry but that's simply not true.  Whilst it's true that Hitler was - at least in name - a Christian he used the church to support his political agenda.  You only have to compare his attitutde to the church before he took power and after to clearly see that.

Hitler's agenda was a political one, not a religious one. 

Freedom of religious belief is an inalienable right. Stuffing that belief down other people's throats is not.


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while i'm not here to argue

while i'm not here to argue if or what kind of a christian hitler was, i will say that these pictures don't necessarily prove anything. it's well known that hitler negotiated contracts with many churches to keep them from interfering with his political actions.

the same way Bush pushes the evangelical agenda to keep their votes Smiling

 

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The Patrician

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Sorry but that's simply not true. Whilst it's true that Hitler was - at least in name - a Christian he used the church to support his political agenda. You only have to compare his attitutde to the church before he took power and after to clearly see that.

Hitler's agenda was a political one, not a religious one.

Hitler goes to people who support his agenda.  Gee, who would have thought politicians goes to people who agree with them for their votes?  Every politician goes to their base for support.  So according to your news flash there are no Christians in government because Christians can't possibly be in politics.  Thanks for providing the most absurd post of the day. 


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D-cubed wrote: Hitler goes

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Hitler goes to people who support his agenda. Gee, who would have thought politicians goes to people who agree with them for their votes? Every politician goes to their base for support. So according to your news flash there are no Christians in government because Christians can't possibly be in politics. Thanks for providing the most absurd post of the day.

Excuse me?  Did you just make an incorrect assumption from my post?

You know, I think you did.

 You also seem to have missed the point where I said Hitler was at least nominally a Christian - although several prominent figures including Bormann were most definitely not - but that this has absolutely bugger all to do with his political ideology.

Honestly, you really need to read up on this subject instead of making spurious assumptions. 


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The Patrician

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Excuse me? Did you just make an incorrect assumption from my post?

You know, I think you did.

You also seem to have missed the point where I said Hitler was at least nominally a Christian - although several prominent figures including Bormann were most definitely not - but that this has absolutely bugger all to do with his political ideology.

Honestly, you really need to read up on this subject instead of making spurious assumptions.

You're right, I incorrectly assumed you had a point in your post.  Hitler was a Christian and he used politics to advance his religious agenda, that's why he had the backing of the Catholic church and fundamentalist protestant churches.  


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Wrong way round. Hitler

Wrong way round. Hitler was a politician who used religion to further his political agenda.

Or are you going to claim that Stalin was an atheist who used politics to advance his non-religious agenda too?

It's quite obvious you know absolutely nothing about the political climate of Germany between the wars and National Socialist ideology otherwise you wouldn't be making these ridiculous statements.

Come back when you actually know what you're talking about otherwise don't waste everyone's time.

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I'm curious what

I'm curious what differentiates religious posturing from the mainstream criteria for calling oneself an adherent. I know plenty of people who don't attend any religious services, yet would be aghast at the idea of dropping their religious status. Is Hitler a fake Christian because he used it politically? Is Hitler a fake Christian because he had a warped interpretation of dogma? It seems to me our criteria for less controversial people is simply taking their word.


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Point?

Simple. The theists argue that you need a god for morality. You wouldnt deny that Osama Bin Ladin has a god he believes in. Hitler's mind had it's own version, but he DID believe.

It is so convieniant for people to cop out to, "He/they were using religion to maintain/gain power"

Ok, have it Yahwey. They were just USING religion.

So why is it then people in the states are so ready to hand their religion over to a propagandist on the left, or on the right? Shouldnt we maintain a seperation of goverment and religion so that sickos like this cant ruin the freedom we have?

His behaivor indicates that he did believe in a god, even if you dont want to call it the Christian one, he did. And if he was merely using religion to keep power then that is all the more reason to keep goverment neutral and secular. 

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The Patrician wrote: Wrong

The Patrician wrote:

Wrong way round. Hitler was a politician who used religion to further his political agenda.

Or are you going to claim that Stalin was an atheist who used politics to advance his non-religious agenda too?

It's quite obvious you know absolutely nothing about the political climate of Germany between the wars and National Socialist ideology otherwise you wouldn't be making these ridiculous statements.

Come back when you actually know what you're talking about otherwise don't waste everyone's time.

Keep on repeating your bullshit because if you repeat it enough times maybe someone will buy it.  What evidence do you have that Hitler wasn't a Christian?  Is it the multiple references to God that he made in public and private life?  Is it his church attendence?  Is it that he was raised a Christian?  Is it that he was a member of the Catholic church and never excommunicated?  You don't have any support for your bullshit claim so why don't you come back here when you can support your lies with fact, otherwise you are wasting everyone's time. 


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LOL!

LOL!

My dear boy, when you make foolish statements like this one:

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Hitler was a Christian and he used politics to advance his religious agenda, that's why he had the backing of the Catholic church and fundamentalist protestant churches.

It shows you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You can throw a hissy fit and call it bullshit if you want but the fact remains that you have no idea about National Socialist political structure and ideology at all. I mean you do know, for example, that Martin Bormann was an atheist (although some sources seem to refer to him as anti-Catholic rather than atheist despite the fact he was against all organised churches) who was chastised by Goebbels for potentially alienating the support of the churches, don't you?

Well obviously you don't and that's rather the point: You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about whereas I actually do know quite a bit about the rise of National Socialism, the reasons for its success in post WWI Germany and the means Hitler and his lieutenants used to sway sufficient popular opinion to get them into power (where after they changed all the legislation to allow them to remain virtually unchallenged).

Now if you really want to debate then fire away because I'm more than willing to back up my point. However, first of all you might want to repeat the ludicrous statement you made in the quote I've shown above to any credible professor of 20th Century history and note their reactions. I'm going to bet that most of them are either going to look at you like you've grown horns, shake their head and walk away or laugh at you.

After you've done that you may want to smell your own posts to detect the delicate aroma of cow manure.

Are we clear?

 

EDIT: As a final point you seem to think that I don't regard Hitler as a Christian even though I've twice said that he was at least nominally one.  Perhaps you should actually read my posts before replying, hmm? 

Freedom of religious belief is an inalienable right. Stuffing that belief down other people's throats is not.