Bill Gates largest private owner of farmland.

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Bill Gates largest private owner of farmland.

 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/05/bill-gates-climate-crisis-farmland

This should be illegal. I don't believe monopolization of earth's natural resources by the rich is good for anyone but the rich. This is where I get accused of being a Communist. It is not ownership the means of production that should be taken from the rich, it is their unequal access to natural resourses that should be restrained. Gates is not getting richer by employing workers or creating a usuful consumer product, he is simply taking advantage of earth's limited resourses to get richer. Land gets more valuable as more people become desperate to find affordable food, water and housing. People that stand with workers should not support getting rich in a way that does not provide good jobs and consumer goods and services. Land speculation is exploitation and recreating the Europe's old feudal system in America.

He got filthy rich in software by exploiting overpopulation as well. Instead of offering American programmers high wages and ownership of his company based upon their contributions, he went to overpopulated third world countries like India and offered people desperate to escape the hell that overpopulation creates the promise of a US visa and US citizenship. And he made political contribustions to both parties to ensure the sale of US visas in exchange for his cheap labor happened. This helped turn Seattle area into an unaffordable hellhole that forced blacks and other minorities to leave or become homeless because they could not afford to live in these places where his H1B immigrants slaves snapped up all available housing.

The value of land like farmland can only have value if population pressures exist. If there were an infinite amount of land, one could just squat on a new piece of land for free rather than pay the asking price of a land seller. This is why a main function of government must be to both limit population growth to what the natural resources of the country can sustain and ensure that the rich to not have a monopolization of natural resources.

The Communists/Socialists say all means of production must be taken and given to some kind of worker co-op. But if we take away the factory that capitltalist investors paid construction workers to build, what would be the incentive for anyone to ever build a factory again? If you tax the the crap out of the factory owners for making a profit, what is the incentive to ever build a factory again? If you tax the crap out of highly skilled workers in that factory, what is the incentive to ever become a highly skilled worker? I'm not against the workers owning the factory, I'm against the workers stealing the factory.

Henry Ford did not exploit workers just because he built a factory and employed people. He didn't want to pay the market wages, so he imported a stream of desperately poor immigrants escaping overpopulated hellholes to exploit. The border is wide open now so that the same explotation by Capitalists can happen again. But the leftists that supposedly support workers rights and are brainwashed by propaganda into believing any opposition to unlimited immigration is racist. And of course, population pressures must never be discussed. So workers and renters get poorer and the rich get richer, nothing ever changes.

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 Suprise surprise I am anti

 

Suprise surprise I am anti monopoly too. So I am not sure why I get accussed of being a theif suggesting billionaires CAN afford to pay more in taxes. The GOP and Libertarians have pushed no regulation and made anti monopoly laws useless over the past 40 years. 

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EXC wrote:But if we take

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But if we take away the factory that capitltalist investors paid construction workers to build, what would be the incentive for anyone to ever build a factory again?

The fact that they want to lead decent lives. During socialism in Czechoslovakia, my FIL regularly took part in village workers' brigades to build farming coops, schools, and municipal buildings, for little remuneration beyond a few hundred crowns, beer, and goulash. He remembers those times fondly. You think the bourgeoisie invented construction or something?

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iwbiek wrote:EXC wrote:But

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But if we take away the factory that capitltalist investors paid construction workers to build, what would be the incentive for anyone to ever build a factory again?

The fact that they want to lead decent lives. During socialism in Czechoslovakia, my FIL regularly took part in village workers' brigades to build farming coops, schools, and municipal buildings, for little remuneration beyond a few hundred crowns, beer, and goulash. He remembers those times fondly. You think the bourgeoisie invented construction or something?

I have nothing against workers owning the means of production. The problem is that amoung the workers are many lazy and incompetent people that will demand as much as everyone else. There are workers that will save their money so they can own their own farm and others that will just do drugs. These groups can not be made equal by force or else society will collapse. And trying to make them equal amounts to theft and reward for irresponsible behavior. Socialists/Communists generally will pretend this disparity does not exist. They are anti-workers that use propaganda to convince people they are pro-worker.

 

Also Communists will make it illegal to work or buy products from wealthy Capitalists like Gates. Sociaists wlll tax the shit out of workers doing so. How is that pro-worker to restricts the business relationship workers may have? They can only work or buy from a co-op full of lazy people run by party bosses that get where they are by promising free stuff to supporters?

 

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Brian37 wrote: Suprise

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Suprise surprise I am anti monopoly too. So I am not sure why I get accussed of being a theif suggesting billionaires CAN afford to pay more in taxes. The GOP and Libertarians have pushed no regulation and made anti monopoly laws useless over the past 40 years. 

So if Bill Gates has a monopoloy on farmland and you raise his taxes, doesn't he just add that to the price of food grown on his farms? Doesn't he hire fewer workers since you want to make food production have less net profit? Our open borders mean more mouths to feed making farmland much more valuable. Yet you are completely duped into supporting this. Just higher taxes not limits on monopolization of natural resources?

Neither political party wants to talk about monopolization of natural resourses because it would naturally lead to a discussion about population pressures. Gates buys off Democrat support will things like starting a leftist propaganda network(MSNBC) that actuall supports the status quo of big corporate domination and access to cheap exploitable labor.

Taxation is the price we pay for failing to build a civilized society. The higher the tax level, the greater the failure. A centrally planned totalitarian state represents a complete defeat for the civilized world, while a totally voluntary society represents its ultimate success. --Mark Skousen