Dalai Llama and the President

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Dalai Llama and the President

 Most of you know on here that I have a very derogatory opinion about the so-called Dalai Llama, an opinion that causes me to stand alone very often when I express my own aversion to what I think is more "woo" that he peddles. 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-26271596

 

US President Barack Obama will meet exiled Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama on Friday, US officials say.

China has urged the US to cancel the meeting, saying it will "seriously impair China-US relations".

China describes the Dalai Lama as a separatist, while the spiritual leader says he only advocates greater autonomy for Tibet, not independence.

Officials say the US does not support Tibetan independence but is concerned about human rights in China.

The two men last met in 2011, in talks that angered China.

Tibet is governed as an autonomous region in China.

China has been widely accused of repressing political and religious freedoms in Tibet. Beijing rejects this and says economic development has improved Tibetans' lives.

'Respected leader'

Mr Obama will host the Dalai Lama in a private meeting in the White House Map Room on Friday morning, US officials said.

Mr Obama traditionally hosts foreign leaders in the Oval Office, so the decision to use the Map Room is viewed as an attempt to give the visit a lower-profile.

Caitlin Hayden, a spokeswoman for the National Security Council, said Mr Obama would meet the Dalai Lama "in his capacity as an internationally respected religious and cultural leader".

"We do not support Tibetan independence," she said, adding that the US "strongly supports human rights and religious freedom in China.

"We are concerned about continuing tensions and the deteriorating human rights situation in Tibetan areas of China."

Meanwhile, Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said that Beijing was "firmly opposed" to the meeting.

"The US leader's meeting with the Dalai is a gross interference in China's internal affairs, a severe violation of codes of international relations and will seriously impair China-US relations," she said in a statement.

China had "already lodged solemn representations" with the US on the matter, she added.

In recent years more than 110 ethnic Tibetans - mostly young monks and nuns living in areas outside Tibet - have set themselves on fire in apparent protest against Beijing's rule.

The Chinese government accuses the Dalai Lama of orchestrating the protests, a charge he strongly rejects.

The Dalai Lama fled to India in 1959, after Chinese troops crushed an attempted uprising in Tibet.

He now advocates a "middle way" with Beijing, seeking autonomy but not independence.

“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno


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harleysportster wrote: Most

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 Most of you know on here that I have a very derogatory opinion about the so-called Dalai Llama, an opinion that causes me to stand alone very often when I express my own aversion to what I think is more "woo" that he peddles. 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-26271596

 

US President Barack Obama will meet exiled Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama on Friday, US officials say.

China has urged the US to cancel the meeting, saying it will "seriously impair China-US relations".

China describes the Dalai Lama as a separatist, while the spiritual leader says he only advocates greater autonomy for Tibet, not independence.

Officials say the US does not support Tibetan independence but is concerned about human rights in China.

The two men last met in 2011, in talks that angered China.

Tibet is governed as an autonomous region in China.

China has been widely accused of repressing political and religious freedoms in Tibet. Beijing rejects this and says economic development has improved Tibetans' lives.

'Respected leader'

Mr Obama will host the Dalai Lama in a private meeting in the White House Map Room on Friday morning, US officials said.

Mr Obama traditionally hosts foreign leaders in the Oval Office, so the decision to use the Map Room is viewed as an attempt to give the visit a lower-profile.

Caitlin Hayden, a spokeswoman for the National Security Council, said Mr Obama would meet the Dalai Lama "in his capacity as an internationally respected religious and cultural leader".

"We do not support Tibetan independence," she said, adding that the US "strongly supports human rights and religious freedom in China.

"We are concerned about continuing tensions and the deteriorating human rights situation in Tibetan areas of China."

Meanwhile, Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said that Beijing was "firmly opposed" to the meeting.

"The US leader's meeting with the Dalai is a gross interference in China's internal affairs, a severe violation of codes of international relations and will seriously impair China-US relations," she said in a statement.

China had "already lodged solemn representations" with the US on the matter, she added.

In recent years more than 110 ethnic Tibetans - mostly young monks and nuns living in areas outside Tibet - have set themselves on fire in apparent protest against Beijing's rule.

The Chinese government accuses the Dalai Lama of orchestrating the protests, a charge he strongly rejects.

The Dalai Lama fled to India in 1959, after Chinese troops crushed an attempted uprising in Tibet.

He now advocates a "middle way" with Beijing, seeking autonomy but not independence.

Harly, you are not alone. All religions are posion and no religion deserves a pass. The Dali Lama is no different than the Pope or a Rabbi or an Imam. They are artificial figureheads of woo clubs that do nothing but distract humanity from the fact that it is still a distortion of our natural evolution of setting up social pecking orders. Having said that, the same can be said for the religion of nationalism or political party.  It is also why I warn atheists not to go arround claiming "when we become a majority we will treat you better".

There is no "virtue of the oppressed". Our species has shown on an evolutionary scale that being a victim at one point will not prevent us from becoming an oppressor in the future.

Religion won't go away and human rights do need to be protected. But to ignore religion is as foolish as claiming the dormant volcano will never explode in the future.

If you look at the entire history of Buddhism in the orient it has had it's own conflicts and sectarian divisions just like any other religion. So it pisses me off when well intended people say "there are good people in all religions", then that should tell them something, our ability to do good and be good as a species, is in us dispite our artifical constructs and not handed to us by a figurhead or club label.

 

 

 

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harleysportster wrote: Most

harleysportster wrote:

 Most of you know on here that I have a very derogatory opinion about the so-called Dalai Llama, an opinion that causes me to stand alone very often when I express my own aversion to what I think is more "woo" that he peddles. 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-26271596

 

US President Barack Obama will meet exiled Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama on Friday, US officials say.

China has urged the US to cancel the meeting, saying it will "seriously impair China-US relations".

China describes the Dalai Lama as a separatist, while the spiritual leader says he only advocates greater autonomy for Tibet, not independence.

Officials say the US does not support Tibetan independence but is concerned about human rights in China.

The two men last met in 2011, in talks that angered China.

Tibet is governed as an autonomous region in China.

China has been widely accused of repressing political and religious freedoms in Tibet. Beijing rejects this and says economic development has improved Tibetans' lives.

'Respected leader'

Mr Obama will host the Dalai Lama in a private meeting in the White House Map Room on Friday morning, US officials said.

Mr Obama traditionally hosts foreign leaders in the Oval Office, so the decision to use the Map Room is viewed as an attempt to give the visit a lower-profile.

Caitlin Hayden, a spokeswoman for the National Security Council, said Mr Obama would meet the Dalai Lama "in his capacity as an internationally respected religious and cultural leader".

"We do not support Tibetan independence," she said, adding that the US "strongly supports human rights and religious freedom in China.

"We are concerned about continuing tensions and the deteriorating human rights situation in Tibetan areas of China."

Meanwhile, Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said that Beijing was "firmly opposed" to the meeting.

"The US leader's meeting with the Dalai is a gross interference in China's internal affairs, a severe violation of codes of international relations and will seriously impair China-US relations," she said in a statement.

China had "already lodged solemn representations" with the US on the matter, she added.

In recent years more than 110 ethnic Tibetans - mostly young monks and nuns living in areas outside Tibet - have set themselves on fire in apparent protest against Beijing's rule.

The Chinese government accuses the Dalai Lama of orchestrating the protests, a charge he strongly rejects.

The Dalai Lama fled to India in 1959, after Chinese troops crushed an attempted uprising in Tibet.

He now advocates a "middle way" with Beijing, seeking autonomy but not independence.

Harly, you are not alone. All religions are posion and no religion deserves a pass. The Dali Lama is no different than the Pope or a Rabbi or an Imam. They are artificial figureheads of woo clubs that do nothing but distract humanity from the fact that it is still a distortion of our natural evolution of setting up social pecking orders. Having said that, the same can be said for the religion of nationalism or political party.  It is also why I warn atheists not to go arround claiming "when we become a majority we will treat you better".

There is no "virtue of the oppressed". Our species has shown on an evolutionary scale that being a victim at one point will not prevent us from becoming an oppressor in the future.

Religion won't go away and human rights do need to be protected. But to ignore religion is as foolish as claiming the dormant volcano will never explode in the future.

If you look at the entire history of Buddhism in the orient it has had it's own conflicts and sectarian divisions just like any other religion. So it pisses me off when well intended people say "there are good people in all religions", then that should tell them something, our ability to do good and be good as a species, is in us dispite our artifical constructs and not handed to us by a figurhead or club label.

 

 

 

"We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and nonbelievers."Obama
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Brian37 wrote:If you look at

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If you look at the entire history of Buddhism in the orient



have you? which books would you recommend? gombrich? williams? conze? rahula? cook? lopez? i prefer gombrich and williams myself, for their deft display of simultaneous detachment and sympathy, with a little sardonic polemic thrown in.

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In recent years more than 110 ethnic Tibetans - mostly young monks and nuns living in areas outside Tibet - have set themselves on fire in apparent protest against Beijing's rule.

WTF, if you set yourself on fire to protest anything, the world is probably better off with you being a pile of ash. Fucking nuts. 

If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X


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Beyond Saving wrote:Quote:In

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In recent years more than 110 ethnic Tibetans - mostly young monks and nuns living in areas outside Tibet - have set themselves on fire in apparent protest against Beijing's rule.

WTF, if you set yourself on fire to protest anything, the world is probably better off with you being a pile of ash. Fucking nuts. 

Buy into an artifical club, have it teach you to be a mayrter to that club, and this is what people can do to themselves.

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