You didn't really answer the question, you dodged it by going into what "buying into" refers to.  Are you a conspiracy freak if you accept that 19 men hijacked planes on 9-11?  If so, and I believe the answer is yes, you should stop using the word "conspiracy freak" to demonize a position that you don't hold, in this case I believe due to lack of knowledge. 

Why ask me a question like "why jump to conclusions without evidence" when you haven't shown any conclusions without evidence I've jumped to?  Merely asking the question seems to infer you just became what you hate, since you're jumping to a conclusion yourself without evidence.  You seriously believe I would just spout shit off about voting irregularities without a single shred of evidence?  You're insulting my intellect.

ON VOTING...

I don't have any interest in taking the time to break down all the evidence on the voting scandals, nor do I feel this is the thread for it.  This thread is simply designed to inform people about how bad John McCain is for America.  There is plenty of material online, and documentaries to view on the issue, if you're truly interested.  Here is one to get you started...

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=hacking+democracy&hl=en&emb=0#

The website for Bev Harris (featured in the movie) is here:

http://www.blackboxvoting.org

Here's some brief coverage on the large financial contributor to Bush (and Chief executive of Diebold) committing to give George Bush votes: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0828-08.htm  (this story is covered more in the documentary)

Here's snips and portions of a movie on HBO recently called "Recount" which breaks down the story of the Bush SELECTION by the Supreme Court.  http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=recount&hl=en&emb=0# 

Of course if you're not familiar already, you can just research the history behind the votes in Florida that year.  Or the votes nationwide during the Kerry election for that matter.  

Thanks for the insult, doesn't hold that much weight with me though.  Keep in mind, you set forth that a big plastic squid is real.  Here's the real giant squid if you're interested.  And the real story about voting is out there for you to piece together, here's a hint... it involves corruption, likely on many different levels.  I haven't given you enough to even scratch the surface on this issue, keep looking.

Your prop cigar indicates to me that you're some sort of maverick who plays by his own rules and doesn't take shit from anybody. You may or may not be responsible for the development of a radical new steel alloy currently being squandered by government parasites. You don't happen to be a Libertarian, do you?

asurawind

   Read my words again. I have always favored the liberal 3rd party choices.  The "system" needs fixing, but voting 3rd party won't fix the "system".

  All of the above may be a piece of shit, but which candidate is going to do less harm to the non-religious.  This is the candidate that will get my vote.

Of course third party votes take away from the two main candidates. That's the "problem" with Ron Paul's campaign, despite many people agreeing with him.

I don't trust the government and I think a majority of the politicians and people in charge are lying, incompetent, self-interested idiots who make excuses for everything. That's why I don't like them snooping in people's business and that's why I wouldn't want them in charge of the health care system or businesses.

One issue that's been discussed here: there will always be a poor population. Some people, though it's not a majority, drive themselves into poverty or make no effort to get out of it.

Case in point:

Me: Don't you need that money for your rent? Why are you spending it on that electronic shit?

Poor Guy: This my baby! No way man I ain't giving this shit up! I NEED this!

There's gonna be some strange, strange times ahead...I forsee Obama winning, by the way.

I don't really trust the government, but comparing my distrust of the government to my distrust of business is like comparing an M-80 to a 50 Megaton nuclear bomb. For profit business should not be allowed anywhere near health care - for the same reason we have police and fire companies rather than making everyone hiring private security or firemen. I would trust a liberal government, but I definitely don't trust conservatives. I saw an article by Andy Rooney (an old one) recently that suggests the idea of a flat WAGE - he estimated everyone would make around $80,000 a year - which would be great as that's nearly 4 times what I was ever able to make.

Bullshit. They were very oppressive and did not do that. As I said before, if I was given the choice to either eliminate religion or capitalism from the world, it would be a very difficult choice for me.

You misspelled "atheist." But then maybe you're just exercising individual liberties with written language, you radical Randian pioneer.

So what makes McCain a liberal?  Is it his voting record that matches Bush's policies?  Is it McCain's piss poor record on the environment?  Is it his demand for tax cuts for the rich and corporations in order to run further deficits in order to justify cuts in social programs?  Perhaps it's McCain's support of deregulation to produce financial disasters for which the taxpayer has to bail corporations out?  Could it be his support of NAFTA?  Could it be for his support for privatization of social security, and medicare?  Could it be his opposition to unions and higher minimum wage?  Could it be his support for creationism, prayer in school and vouchers for religious schools?  Could it be his support for torture, the occupation of Iraq and the invasion of Iran?  Could it be his opposition to abortion and birth control?  Heck, maybe it's his voting record on opposing making Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday a national holiday?

I'm fascinated to hear what you think makes McCain a liberal.

The grammar police is out. That said I should check my spelling better.

I'm going to ignore the idiotic Hilter remark. If Obama is the best you got, we all fucked Think Jimmy Carter as president only with someone even more stupid.

Wow! I hope your kidding. Double digit inflation, unemployment, gas storages, The Iran hostage crisis, etc. Yeah, Carter was a good one. He is considered by many as the worst president of the 20th century.

Ron Paul message was most of the same beliefs as the founding fathers, which I believe created a pretty good country. You believe Reagan was terrible because he showed what happens when you fight communism with captialism. Capitalism wins! You probably think communism is a great idea but just the wrong people were in charge right?

Back on topic!!!

If you like McCain you are one of the following...

- uninformed

- underinformed

- a retard or moron

- a clueless Christian

- an idiot

- living in the year 1980.

YOUR TURN...

True, but the sad part is Obama is worse. I'm voting 3rd party.

He didn't win - it was won by every president/congress combined from the late '40s through Bush I. He increased the deficit by a huge ammount and was horrible for the poor. He was horribly militaristic and could easily have started an actual WWIII, possibly ending all life on Earth. We don't need another senile president like he was.

Staying on topic:

John McCain - too dumb to be president:

Anyone who respects a trailer trash pop tart who leaves her infant son on the roof of her vehicle over a savvy young businesswoman who just happens to be well plowed, so to speak, has more than a few mental screws loose. 

It would be nice if you were informed.  McCain reversed his position and said he supported the tax cuts.  His plan for when he gets into office is to make those tax cuts permanent and extend them.

McCain has done nothing to combat global warming.  The League of Conservation Voters gave him a zero percent rating on his pro-environment votes and his previous record shows votes on par with his Republican fellows.

McCain's position on immigration is consistent with the Republican platform.  Republicans want a cheap labor force which will depress wages for all Americans, and weaken unions in order to generate higher profits for employers who hire the illegal immigrants.  There isn't an illegal immigration problem in America, there is an illegal employer problem.  McCain's amnesty program is the same as Reagan's amnesty program but I'm assuming you'll label Reagan a liberal as well.  The liberal plan would be to pass the Employee Free Choice Act which will strengthen unions.  A strong union forces employers who want to hire illegal immigrants to provide the same salary and benefits as legal workers thereby creating no incentive to hire illegal immigrants.  McCain does not support that, hence he isn't a liberal.

So you have presented nothing that establishes McCain as a liberal but thanks for playing.

A used to be in a "strong union" called the Teamsters (I worked at Northern Tool) and all they did was take member and screwed over their members. Like not paying us on strike.

Global Warming is just an excuse to curb people's freedoms in the name of "saving the planet." He has propose bills to fight this made up problem.

    And do you think one of these is not an evil person ??   WHO ??  Which one ??

I know.  So are flu shots, toupees and toenail clippers.  It's all just a big conspiracy.

9/11 happens every year, it's a fate of the way the calendars are written.  Anyway, back to how you believe McCain is a liberal.  Given you have such knowledge about a global conspiracy of scientists to control the world with boring documentaries how about supporting your claim that McCain is a liberal.

I really hope you are not that stupid.

I see you just fall under the policy of repeating the same claims although they have been refuted so let me repeat myself since I already addressed your disproved claims.

"It would be nice if you were informed.  McCain reversed his position and said he supported the tax cuts.  His plan for when he gets into office is to make those tax cuts permanent and extend them.

McCain has done nothing to combat global warming.  The League of Conservation Voters gave him a zero percent rating on his pro-environment votes and his previous record shows votes on par with his Republican fellows.

McCain's position on immigration is consistent with the Republican platform.  Republicans want a cheap labor force which will depress wages for all Americans, and weaken unions in order to generate higher profits for employers who hire the illegal immigrants.  There isn't an illegal immigration problem in America, there is an illegal employer problem.  McCain's amnesty program is the same as Reagan's amnesty program but I'm assuming you'll label Reagan a liberal as well.  The liberal plan would be to pass the Employee Free Choice Act which will strengthen unions.  A strong union forces employers who want to hire illegal immigrants to provide the same salary and benefits as legal workers thereby creating no incentive to hire illegal immigrants.  McCain does not support that, hence he isn't a liberal.

So you have presented nothing that establishes McCain as a liberal but thanks for playing."

It's cute that you refer to a video that supports Romney since he has endorsed McCain and is wanting to be his VP choice.  But I see you can't think for yourself since you are clearly uninformed (touting McCain's opposition to torture although he voted for a bill permitting the CIA to torture).

So when you actually get around to supporting the case that McCain is a liberal I'll be waiting.

Brilliant! Eliminate the problem of uneven wealth by making everyone poor. Just make it illegal to have any money.

And how exactly does the government take away private wealth and prevent private ownership without being a heavy handed, totalitarian big brother that spies on citizens and takes away everyone's liberty?