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In myspace, I had written a blog a while ago about zionism. In it, I discussed how religious absolutism has been reframed as the desire for a "home." Instead of viewing the planet generally as a dwelling place, people groups have this overblown desire to call a specific stretch of land "theirs" as if ownership is even legitimate about pieces of rock that have been there for millions of years before we came to be and will be there millions of years after we are all dead and gone. But then again, as soon as "god" is brought into an argument, any pretense of rationality has been cast out anyway.

What brings this up is a recent poll done by Zogby (http://www.cnionline.org/learn/polls/czandlobby/) in which 62% of those polled believe, in varying degrees, with the idea of Zionism when it is phrased as "Israel must have all of the promised land, including Jerusalem, to facilitate the second coming of the messiah."

Now, for those who haven't studied the Bible, all that land would include the entire West Bank, parts of Lebanon and more besides. This is not conducive towards peace, but then again, Armageddon isn't about gathering together and eating ice cream.

This is absurd. We live in a world in which nuclear holocaust is a very real possibility and 62% of Americans believe that Israel should have all the land that was promised to them in their own created mythology. Foreign policy is being created and implemented on the basis of myths, dreams and hocus pocus.

Accuse me of being anti-semitic or just plain acerbic, but when there is over a million cluster bombs still lying around in the land of Lebanon, waiting for the innocent child or other civilian to accidentally uncover it, I begin to get a little upset that the nation who put those bombs there, Israel, isn't being held to account. Add into the equation the fact that belief follows voting practice and you have an administration that has been supported in its policies resulting in the deaths of 100,000 Iraqis, in no small part due to the belief that war in the middle east is a harbringer of the "end of days." The end product is death and destruction and the American people are busy wondering when the cosmic bully is going to appear in clouds to send millions of people to die in their own personal holocaust!

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Now there's a big separation

Now there's a big separation of church/state issue: the USA supporting Israel. Supporting of bunch of militant Zionists, with our tax dollars, who are trying to wipe out non-Jews from the West Bank, Lebanon.... Raised Brow


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politicalhumanist wrote:Now

politicalhumanist wrote:
Now there's a big separation of church/state issue: the USA supporting Israel. Supporting of bunch of militant Zionists, with our tax dollars, who are trying to wipe out non-Jews from the West Bank, Lebanon.... Raised Brow

Could you support the bolded claim please? For example, a statement by Israeli leaders or practiced extermination.

The USA supports Israel because of how powerful the Israeli lobby is (AIPAC). Israel is useful for America because it is a military outpost in the middle of a wilderness that we wish to tame.

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Quote:Could you support the

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Could you support the bolded claim please? For example, a statement by Israeli leaders or practiced extermination.

One example: Israel kills 18 civilians in Gaza today...Nov8


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article wrote:Palestinian

article wrote:
Palestinian militants vowed revenge after an Israeli artillery barrage killed 18 civilians in the
Gaza Strip in the deadliest military strike in four years, prompting the Jewish state to declare a high alert.

This seems more consistent with accidental collateral damage than with extermination. Israel is fighting an asymmetrical war with Palestinian militants, but it refuses to let its hands be tied by political correctness as the US has in Iraq. This is a wise approach.

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There are no civilian

There are no civilian Palestinians.
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Ok, children under 5 are probably civilians.


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Zionism is not only jewish

Zionism is not only jewish in nature. We have many xtian Zionists, who support Israel, because Israel returning to their promised land is the precursor to Jesus' second coming and the apocalypse. AIPAC, the LARGEST lobby group in the united states has effectively infiltrated almost every aspect of foreign policy debate...from the media to the political. They've even been caught spying on the US for Israel. Of course the trials of the two heads of AIPAC keep getting postponed. Why do you think Bush, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Armitage, LIEberMAN, and others are such a staunch supporter of the war in Iraq? Part of Iraq was indeed part of the promised land.

The irony here is this, xtians and jews are using each other for their own "apocalyptic" wet dream. the problem here is that Zionism is racist in nature. Innocent people are dying. Israel is for Jews only..Palestinians are treated as second class citizens. But the reason why we are so stuck in the middle east, besides oil maybe, is indeed because of the Israel lobby. The irony is, most jews aren't even Zionist or even religious for that matter, there are plenty of atheists in Israel. It is the elitists..much like the elitists here in this country that have hijacked Israel. You never hear Israel criticized in the media, as soon as you do, bam, you're automatically an anti-Semite. Doesn't matter if you have jewish friends, or hell even if you're a jew yourself. This is part of the jewish lobby network. It's ridiculous. Criticizing the jewish lobby or Israel's government is no different than criticizing the NRA or our own government. If I do not like the neocons, I'm not anti-white, just as I am not an anti-Semite if I criticize Israel and the Jewish lobby. This is the twisted modality of the lobby. It works extremely well.

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Let them have it. Just for a

Let them have it. Just for a little while. When they occupy what they're 'supposed' to occupy and when no Armageddon, Almalhama, or Gehenna happens then we can put all of this childish bullshit aside.

Sounds like a great litmus test for their beliefs. After yahweh is a no-show then the whole world can sit back and have a laugh at ourselves and them.

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