Why you guys are philosophically inconsistent
I was going to post this in the rather ironically named "freethinking forum" but i read that posts with a theistic agenda would be destroyed without question. Well, first things first i'm an atheist and have been for quite a long time. I'm not arguing that God exists in this post, and don’t have a particular pro theistic agenda either, just thought I’d be careful. I do however think that most of the stuff i've read here is philosophically inconsistent.
Now you don't believe in God. Fine. However, its quite clear that the dominant view here is that belief in god is irrational, you've even gone so far as to call it a mind disorder. Hmm. Now why is this? Well i read under the thread about why belief in god is irrational that this is because there is no scientific evidence for god. No scientific evidence for God, therefore belief in him is irrational.
Let me ask you guys a question: Do you believe in right and wrong? I mean do you actually believe in them? Do you believe that there are things that really are wrong, like man they're so wrong they make your blood boil? Take the holocaust. You believe it was actually wrong, not just wrong because it so happens that you grew up in the USA or wherever and so culturally you have come to disapprove of it, but because you believe with every fibre of your being that it is wrong? If you saw an innocent child, perhaps your younger brother being beaten, or a family member being raped you would feel angry, you'd be outraged you'd feel justified in your anger because that's just plain wrong? Right? I'm going to take it that for most you, the answer would be yes. You do believe in right and wrong. You do believe in those words meaning something more than just culturally acceptable. Even if perhaps you think that deep down you know there is no absolute standard, you still live your life as if there is a real right and wrong, more than just unreal human hallucinations/projections/whatever. I'm basing this partly on the fact that there was a thread about how atheists are more moral than theists around somewhere, and why being an atheist had made you a better person, and the fact that nearly everybody in the world i’ve met does.
Okay. Well those beliefs, they make up quite a lot of who you are, how and why you live your life like you do. A lot of people would be willing to stand up and defend them, for example human rights, or their right to free speech, or maybe some people might feel compelled to do something like join the army because you thought 9/11 was so wrong and you wanted something so wrong happening again.
Now, here's what i'm getting at. Can you scientifically prove those beliefs? Some of the scientists among you may wish to ask could you show how it would be possible to disprove beliefs of this type. Is there any scientific evidence for those beliefs? Ask any modern ethicist worth his salt and he will tell you no. Those beliefs are entirely subjective. They are not scientific. You don't actually need to ask an ethicist, just think about it. They aren't. There is no more proof for them than the gut feeling you have that they are wrong. And yet you base your lives on them, or live by them or whatever. You believe in them, or at least live your life as if you do. Doesn't that strike you as a little irrational?
In fact, if you take the opinion that only those things that can be scientifically proven are those that it is rational to believe in to its conclusion, then i think you'd be a pretty depressed person. You'd be in what they call nihilism. Nothing you do could have any meaning, beyond being described scientifically. Relationships, for example, become meaningless. You love somebody? Can love be scientifically proven? Nope.
It's fine to not believe in God. But unless you are a nihilist (in which case i really don't envy you) saying that theistic belief is irrational is rather hypocritical. Theistic belief is as valid as your belief that the holocaust was wrong. It may just come from that gut feeling, or a particularly moving experience, or a voice inside your head, but that's just as valid as a belief in morality. Yeah, so you might say that theistic belief has caused a lot of problems. So have a great deal of other thoughts people have had, or things they have done because of their consciences. And that’s really besides the point.
Anyway, there you go. Again, i myself am an atheist. I know a lot of you will just be angry and annoyed at how wrong and irrational i am but i hope that some of you can read this with a truly freethinking mind and just consider what i've said.