"AND NOTHING HAS FUCKING CHANGED OTHER THAN THE VOLUME OF FIREARMS INCREASING!"

 

Well, and the murder rate has been cut in half. Murders were way more common in the 70s and 80s. 

 

So what is your magic bullet?

 

So? It is still fucking astronomical comaired to our other wealthy nation allies. Way to set your goals low.

 

I am not against after the fact funding for responding, health care, and redflag laws. But none of that shit will ever be efficiently effective to greatly reduce fiirarm deaths if you don't put the repsonsibility where it belongs, AT THE DAMNED TIME OF SALE! We have shitty patchwork laws and no national standards that can work together to efficiently reduce firearm violence.  We rely too much on "No record at time of buy." We find out time after time especially with these mass shooting events the people who do them LEGALLY BUY THEIR WEAPONS. So the issue is the fucking bullshit assumption that no record at the time of buy means that person will not go on later after that legal buy and hurt themselves or others. 

 

We dont fucking do that with passenger jet piolots licenses. I cant simply walk into a flight school, ask for a liscense and walk out minutes or hours later and get in the cockpit and fly a jet. Guns should be hard to get, because vetting is the best way to keep them out of the wrong hands. We need to scrap this bullshit idea that no record means Roy Rogers wins the day every time. That is bullshit. The ease of access in this country and the volume of firearms are always going to keep the levels high. No other of our allies do this. When they have a mass shooting, they fucking make public safety the priority and not someones fucking insecurity and parnoid fear.  When they have these events, when the governement says "Hey help us out, can you give this item up to make us all safer?" Their populations don't scream tyranny because they understand it isn't about oppression, but mere public safety.

 

Nobody sane is expecting 100% of all gun sales to stop. There is no utopia that will have a zero firearm in civilian hands. All the fuck we want is for people to stop making a fucking object the priority. And the best way to reduce firearm violence, which will not only reduce firearm deaths, but also reduce the tax burdon on society paying for all the after the fact reactionary costs. BETTER FUCKING VETTING, DON'T SIMPLY HAND THEM OUT. 

The bullshit argument about that not working, like I said, is because vetting cannot be as effective if different zip codes have different laws. And crossing state lines with a firearm makes it very easy to flood a zip code with better regulations so the assholes at the NRA and NSSF and the companies can create a fucking needless problem then blame the lack of national standard as being tyrannical. 

 

The NRA like the arsonist who starts the fire then pretends to be the fireman. Arm more and sell more DOES NOT FUCKING WORK and I am fucking tired of that bullshit, it is a fucking lie  that the industry sells so they can make a profit of of fear and gullibility.

 

I never said there was a perfect solution, but there is no fucking utopia where you can increase the volume of firearms in civilian hands and expect the violence to be a sane minimum. Again, no other first world country has the volume we do here. And this bullshit about it going down, is just that. NOT FUCKING GOOD ENOUGH even if I agreed with you. I'll make you a deal, when America gets down to the level of Japan, or Australia, or England or Sweden or Denmark, and all the other sane countries that do not have a 2nd and sitll sell firearms but do not fucking slavishly worship them like we do, when we can get to that kind of sanity, then I will shut up.

 

But when you hear stories of a girl spreading her classmate's blood on herself to avoid being butchered by playing dead, and you hear another story of a 22 old daughter watching her mother's chest explode and drop dead, and all she could say was "I love you" but had to leave her dead mother on the spot and flee so she wouldn't get murdered too. I have negative fucks to give right now about insecure selfish self intitled Rambo wannabes. FUCK THEM, FUCK THE NRA AND FUCK THE GOP. 

We've reduced firearm deaths? Lay off the FUCKS NOISE. You know who else loves their weapons and worships them? The Taliban. Now, if you don't want me to view you like that, then pull your fucking head out of your ass and stop accepting your bullshit status quo and make excuse as to why the majority of people in America have to live in fear of merely leaving their house. I don't want to hear it. The compromising now has to come from the right, not the sane people. We have seen their bullshit excuses every fucking time. And even when they do "compromise" as soon as they regain power, the GOP neuters the very laws they sign. I don't fucking trust them one fucking bit. 

 

So you want a list, here goes.

 

MOST IMPORTANTLY, DON'T FUCKING SIT THERE AND STUPIDLY THINK NO RECORD IS A MAGIC CURE.

 

Better vetting, crawl up their fucking ass just like you would vet a person who wanted to be a passenger jet pilot.

 

Waiting period. I can settle for 3 days in a pinch, but I'd prefer a week. If someone is honest and not disturbed, the wait will not bother them.

 

A litteral tour through a mourge to see what a bullet does to the human body.

 

Regular training and exams on a anual basis to insure you are keeping up with your responsibilty and staying sane or not disturbed. 

 

Manditory gun safe storage, weapon unloaded, and bullets seperate from the weapon, locked in a secure location.

 

Dont fucking walk around like Rambo in public if you don't have a license and or a job that requires it. I could give a shit less what someone says their intent is, I don't fucking know you, so why should I assume you are not a nut case about to light up a business or public place? And how the fuck are police supposed to know who the bad guy is if everyone carrying? They don't have fucking time to stop everyone, to check their legality, their duty is to get to the suspect as quickly as possible. 

 

No weapons of war and no big clips.

 

NOW keep re reading that. Nowhere in the above did I call for a 100 percent ban and a gunless society. All the sane want to keep them out of the wrong hands, and these points I am making will greatly reduce firearm violence faster than the rate you are claiming. Arm more and sell more is bullshit and to claim it works is sick.

 Better vetting, crawl up their fucking ass just like you would vet a person who wanted to be a passenger jet pilot.

  What conditions would you look for in the vetting process that currently are not? "Better" isn't an answer unless you can identify specific reasons to not sell a gun to someone. How do you determine a buyer is likely to do a mass shooting? When you buy a gun, you go through an FBI background check, every time.  My waiting period for most of the guns I buy is much longer than a week. Is a mass murderer going to be stymied by waiting? The evidence suggests not.  "A litteral tour through a mourge to see what a bullet does to the human body." LolSo are we going to shoot up some bodies? I think you might be surprised at how most bullet holes aren't so dramatic. Especially from an AR-15 where the bullet typically passes through. I suppose it would boost shotgun buys from mass murderers. Regular training? So you want these mass murderers to actually be good shot? I would think the average lack of expertise of these nuts is a positive. Someone skilled would run up the body count a lot higher.  "Mandatory storage"? What does that do? Who is coming door to door to check? Most gun owners do store our guns securely, because they are expensive. Not sure how that stops a shooting. So you don't support a 100% ban. Which is really the only thing that would work. You're an NRA nut who supports handing guns out like candy. I can either buy a gun legally, or I can't. If I can, then some nut can too, because how do you distinguish me from a nut? 

 

Well some police are very motivated. Those are the ones with a tendency to actually shoot people. I prefer the unmotivated ones.