Pope says gays aren't fully developed humans

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Pope says gays aren't fully developed humans

http://www.care2.com/causes/pope-decides-gay-people-arent-fully-developed-humans.html

Pope Decides Gay People Aren’t Fully Developed Humans


Pope Benedict XVI told French Bishops recently that they must do everything they can to resist gay marriage as it “threatens” society, going on to imply that gay people aren’t fully developed humans.

The Pope’s comments were made during a September 21 speech at Castel Gandolfo, whereby he reportedly told his assembled religious brethren that “The family is threatened in many places by a faulty conception of human nature.” Some translations have him saying the word “defective,” in fact.

The Pope went on to say that he believes ”Marriage and the family are institutions that must be promoted and defended from every possible misrepresentation of their true nature, since whatever is injurious to them is injurious to society itself.”

This, apparently, in direct reference to France’s recently elected socialist government’s plans to introduce and make law same-sex marriage. Given that French Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault’s party controls parliament, it seems likely this legislation will pass.



(So, I am supposed to believe that this guy is a "fully developed human ?" I doubt that. The rest of the article can be found on the link.)
 

 

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Let's just say, for the sake

Let's just say, for the sake of argument, that I'm interested in the "conception of human nature" of the bloke who used to run the current incarnation of the Spanish inquisition (yes, that still exists).  

Then I'm still left with the question..."threatened" ? How ? Do same-sex families go to people's houses and make ambiguous remarks about the flammability of the furniture ? 

It's all very well saying you feel "threatened", but where is the real threat that would distinguish this from just another phobia ?  


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Anonymouse wrote:Let's just

Anonymouse wrote:

Let's just say, for the sake of argument, that I'm interested in the "conception of human nature" of the bloke who used to run the current incarnation of the Spanish inquisition (yes, that still exists).  

Then I'm still left with the question..."threatened" ? How ? Do same-sex families go to people's houses and make ambiguous remarks about the flammability of the furniture ? 

It's all very well saying you feel "threatened", but where is the real threat that would distinguish this from just another phobia ?  

I guess next thing they'll come up with is being gay is contagious and hanging around  gay people will make you gay.

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harleysportster wrote:I

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I guess next thing they'll come up with is being gay is contagious and hanging around  gay people will make you gay.

They have to bite you first, I think. Oh no, wait, that's vampires.

Seriously though, what is it about this issue that makes grown, relatively sane people feel justified to make the most ridiculous statements ?

I'm debating a guy now, an atheist, who's somehow convinced himself that accepting gay marriage is going to lead to world war 3. He's dead serious about this. It's gotten to the point where I have to get myself drunk before I can even talk to these people.


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Why are people listening to

Why are people listening to an allegedly celibate pedophile enabler about this topic?

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jcgadfly wrote:Why are

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Why are people listening to an allegedly celibate pedophile enabler about this topic?

Very good point.

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Anonymouse wrote:I'm

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I'm debating a guy now, an atheist, who's somehow convinced himself that accepting gay marriage is going to lead to world war 3. He's dead serious about this. It's gotten to the point where I have to get myself drunk before I can even talk to these people.

I too encounter Atheists that have homophobia and fail to understand that. I am beffudled that they fail to see that homophobia is blatantly religious in nature.

I started arguing with someone on facebook about this, over a month or so ago. He boldly proclaimed that I must be gay. When I told him that I was not, he boldly proclaimed that I must have a gay person in my family because no sane person could support this. WTF ?

He had no real substance to his argument either, just strawmen. For instance, he kept falling back on : "So you want flamboyant parades and sex in public ?" I got so sick of that one I finally told him that I wanted everyone to have sex on every street corner. He responded with perverse glee : "I KNEW IT ! I KNEW YOU WANTED TO SUBJECT CHILDREN TO THAT !" Stupid asshole.

Most of the homophobes that I encounter seem to have this redundant idea that being gay automatically defaults to being a child molestor. How they figure this I do not know, but they get REAL pissed off when asked to provide evidence.

I do remember, back in my childhood days in the Catholic Church, a lot of people bought that bullshit. Many people told me that anyone who was gay was a pedophile, it was proven.

Odd that a church that protects so many pedophiles would preach this shit.

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harleysportster wrote:I

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I guess next thing they'll come up with is being gay is contagious and hanging around  gay people will make you gay.

And you know that when marriage equality arrives in the USA, as it should, they're going to jump on that. "See? Look at all these gay people all of a sudden!!! It's contagious!" failing to see the obvious.  When you tell them that all of these gay people have been gay the whole time, except felt it important to hide their sexuality due to discrimination, they will ignore you.  Ignoring you is what they're the best at. 

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Sorry Pope but you are

Sorry Pope but you are nobody's leader. You are not a doctor or a psychologist. The real scientis and psychologists recognize homosexuality as a biological range of ALL mamailian species.

This is just more homophobic bullshit perpetrated by a ancient superstitious cult and you are nothing but a walklng relic of a bigoted past.

AND you are too fucking stupid to see that even your fans are ahead of the curve. Most Catholics dont give a fuck about same sex marriage.

Gays exist and always have and they do not owe you submission. The species evolution was arround long before your cult was invented and gays existed then as they do now and the world has not come to an end. Get over yourself, the world is moving on and it will leave bigoted assholes like you behind.

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harleysportster wrote:

Anonymouse wrote:

I'm debating a guy now, an atheist, who's somehow convinced himself that accepting gay marriage is going to lead to world war 3. He's dead serious about this. It's gotten to the point where I have to get myself drunk before I can even talk to these people.

I too encounter Atheists that have homophobia and fail to understand that. I am beffudled that they fail to see that homophobia is blatantly religious in nature.

I started arguing with someone on facebook about this, over a month or so ago. He boldly proclaimed that I must be gay. When I told him that I was not, he boldly proclaimed that I must have a gay person in my family because no sane person could support this. WTF ?

He had no real substance to his argument either, just strawmen. For instance, he kept falling back on : "So you want flamboyant parades and sex in public ?" I got so sick of that one I finally told him that I wanted everyone to have sex on every street corner. He responded with perverse glee : "I KNEW IT ! I KNEW YOU WANTED TO SUBJECT CHILDREN TO THAT !" Stupid asshole.

Most of the homophobes that I encounter seem to have this redundant idea that being gay automatically defaults to being a child molestor. How they figure this I do not know, but they get REAL pissed off when asked to provide evidence.

I do remember, back in my childhood days in the Catholic Church, a lot of people bought that bullshit. Many people told me that anyone who was gay was a pedophile, it was proven.

Odd that a church that protects so many pedophiles would preach this shit.

"fear of the outsider" is an unfortunate part of evolution. It is useful in pattern seaking to default to fight or flight as a mechinism to increase chances of survival. But most humans perceptions of patterns are extremely flawed. While religion isn't the cause of "fear" the ignorance of evolution and biology is exasorbated(sp) by the credulity of religion.

 

The only way to combat asshats like this is to open more people to natural sciences and human psychology. Once people understand they have been duped, they can reject that bigotry.

Woman and blacks went through this, and many women arround the world are still trying to break themselves free from the riligious ignorance of their own cultures. I think the Pope is seeing a potential break in his chain of power and is scared that the future will make the Church irrelivent and his power not needed.

It is they last vestages of bully. When you know you are losing you demonize the "other".

 

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