Heaven is a Fairy Story, says Stephen Hawking

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Heaven is a Fairy Story, says Stephen Hawking

 

 
British scientist Stephen Hawking has branded heaven a "fairy story" for people afraid of the dark, in his latest dismissal of the concepts underpinning the world's religions.
 
 
The author of 1988 international best-seller A Brief History of Time said in an interview with The Guardian published on Monday that his views were partly influenced by his battle with motor neurone disease.
 
 
"I have lived with the prospect of an early death for the last 49 years. I'm not afraid of death, but I'm in no hurry to die. I have so much I want to do first," he told the newspaper.
 
 
"I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark."
 
 
Hawking's stance on religion has hardened significantly in the nearly quarter century since the publication of his seminal work on the cosmos.
 
 
In A Brief History of Time he suggested that the idea of a divine being was not necessarily incompatible with a scientific understanding of the Universe.
 
 
But in his 2010 book The Grand Design he said a deity no longer has any place in theories on the creation of the universe in the light of a series of developments in physics.
 
 
Hawking has achieved worldwide fame for his research, writing and television documentaries despite suffering since the age of 21 from motor neurone disease that has left him disabled and dependent on a voice synthesiser.
 
 

 

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Sorry about the text wall people

 

 

this story won't take a double spaced paragraph in notebook - must be something in there I can't find. 

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this story won't take a double spaced paragraph in notebook - must be something in there I can't find. 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/may/15/stephen-hawking-interview-there-is-no-heaven

for the full article. Thanks for the post. His opinion is very important and carries weight in the media.

 

 

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Atheistextremist wrote:

 

 

this story won't take a double spaced paragraph in notebook - must be something in there I can't find. 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/may/15/stephen-hawking-interview-there-is-no-heaven

for the full article. Thanks for the post. His opinion is very important and carries weight in the media.

 

 

Not really, most christians just say he is misguided and the rest of them will hate him. The media just likes things that can stir shit they are not on our side by any means and will usually crater to the religious in the end.

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i don't know why, but i

i don't know why, but i always get a subtle feeling from the tone of hawking's writing that he's a bit irritated having to comment on subjects like this at all.

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Thanks for that

 

Sapient wrote:

 I fixed it.

 

Dunno what I did wrong. 

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Agree

 

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i don't know why, but i always get a subtle feeling from the tone of hawking's writing that he's a bit irritated having to comment on subjects like this at all.

 

he's been getting more pointed for a while. He's not likely to have failed to notice the profound theistic stupid of the past decade. 

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I feel like its rather

I feel like its rather frustration based on the fact that even our brightest are still beneath him when it comes to a real deep understanding of the realm which we inhabit and the fact that some of us refuse to even acknowledge some of the simplest facets of logical thought and science.


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I feel like its rather frustration based on the fact that even our brightest are still beneath him when it comes to a real deep understanding of the realm which we inhabit and the fact that some of us refuse to even acknowledge some of the simplest facets of logical thought and science.

That is how I look at it. I sense that he has grown less patient with the theists over the years, due to their stubborn refusal to accept empirical evidence and cling to nonsense claims.

I know how angry that I get, when I hear the local preachers on the news, angrily insisting that evolution is false and creationism needs to be taught in the classroom ( an ever brewing controversy where I live). There is a part of me that just wants to SCREAM : How can you be SO ignorant ?

I think that Hawkins is going to be another addition to our previous Four Horsemen. I think he is just as fed up as all the rest of us, with the people that depend on science for all of their modern conveniences and medicine, but wish to reject the parts of it they do not like.

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MorsCetraFidelisIncerta wrote:

I feel like its rather frustration based on the fact that even our brightest are still beneath him when it comes to a real deep understanding of the realm which we inhabit and the fact that some of us refuse to even acknowledge some of the simplest facets of logical thought and science.

That is how I look at it. I sense that he has grown less patient with the theists over the years, due to their stubborn refusal to accept empirical evidence and cling to nonsense claims.

I know how angry that I get, when I hear the local preachers on the news, angrily insisting that evolution is false and creationism needs to be taught in the classroom ( an ever brewing controversy where I live). There is a part of me that just wants to SCREAM : How can you be SO ignorant ?

I think that Hawkins is going to be another addition to our previous Four Horsemen. I think he is just as fed up as all the rest of us, with the people that depend on science for all of their modern conveniences and medicine, but wish to reject the parts of it they do not like.

I think he tackles the most difficult of subjects since it ultimately entails all subjects!!!  Since he has lived his life doing so he has as a scienctist changed his position many times with more research. He did so with science and theism being compatible. He changed from his 1978 position of the big bang originating from a singularity to a few years later that there was no singularity from which the big bang banged.  His ideas about gravity have changed from his idea that black holes evaporate and the second law of thermodynamics is violated in loss of information to as more sophisticated view of gravity.  That to me is integrity.

 

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TGBaker wrote:I think he

TGBaker wrote:

I think he tackles the most difficult of subjects since it ultimately entails all subjects!!!  Since he has lived his life doing so he has as a scienctist changed his position many times with more research. He did so with science and theism being compatible. He changed from his 1978 position of the big bang originating from a singularity to a few years later that there was no singularity from which the big bang banged.  His ideas about gravity have changed from his idea that black holes evaporate and the second law of thermodynamics is violated in loss of information to as more sophisticated view of gravity.  That to me is integrity.

I agree, I respect intellectual honesty above everything else.  He sets a very good example for scientists. 

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I can't help thinking he

I can't help thinking he should now officially retract the famous closing phrase in "A Brief History of Time": ' for then we would know the mind of God.'

He considered deleting it at the proof stage.

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BobSpence1 wrote:I can't

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I can't help thinking he should now officially retract the famous closing phrase in "A Brief History of Time": ' for then we would know the mind of God.'

He considered deleting it at the proof stage.

Seeing his newest statements, I almost have a feeling that a "new" edition might emerge with that last line absent. At least, I hope so.

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Atheistextremist wrote:he's

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he's been getting more pointed for a while. He's not likely to have failed to notice the profound theistic stupid of the past decade. 

 

So have a lot of the rest of us. One can only take so much religious nonsense until we say "Enough already! Stop with your invisible friend, and say something worthwhile."

I was for a long time a believer in a minority religion, stopped taking it seriously a long time ago, and finally admitted my true lack-of-belief. I suspect that others are looking at their own beliefs in light of the extreme ones out there, and admitting that they don't believe either. Eventually, I expect a strong backlash from the current US religious fervor - I just don't know how long it will take. Probably something between a few months and a few centuries.

 

But.... tell me what's more dangerous than a nation of nuclear-armed fanatics, with intercontinental missile capability, who are eagerly awaiting the rapture and Armageddon? If it takes a few centuries, I don't think the world will last that long.

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Angie the Anti-Theist has

Angie the Anti-Theist has had a fun bit of Twitter drama with a bloke named @English103 over this. Dude thinks he's an intellectual equal to Dr. Stephen Hawking, and has been totally smacked down by plenty of folks as a result.