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Raised in the northeast as a Roman Catholic and even served as an altar boy. Never had one bad experience in the church (I know what comes to mind with catholic altar boys) but also never believed one word of the b.s. they were serving. Just ignored and occassionally laughed at religion for most of my adult life. Now, though, I have a couple kids and this has changed my perspective on a lot of things, religious "tolerance" being one of them. Further complicating my situation is the fact that I live in the south now and JEEzus seems to be everywhere. I guess I feel like I need to be open about my disbelief for the sake of my kids. If even one person had had the nerve to call shenanigans on religion when I was growing up, it would have made my own childhood a lot less confusing and maybe even more productive. Anyway, glad to introduce myself and I look forward to exchanging thoughts with you in the future.


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Welcome Mjolnir!Hope you

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 Welcome!  This is place

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Welcome, and g'day from

Welcome, and g'day from Australia.

I don't think we have anywhere in Australia quite as bad as your South, altho where I live in Brisbane, in the south-east corner of an Australian state which is mostly closer to the equator than Florida, we have had periods of right-wing governments which were strongly Christian, with fundy leanings.

We did have for a while an education 'minister' ( what we call the politician in charge of education, as in the UK) who was trying to get Creationism taught in government schools.

I think that the general population was never quite as extreme as the politicians.

 

 

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Thanks, Bob. I read some of

Thanks, Bob. I read some of your posts on other threads and really liked what you had to say. Having not traveled much outside the U.S., I am always interested in life in other countries. SPeaking of which, I recently read that Australia has surpassed the U.S. as the world's most obese nation, so congratulations on that. Judging by your picture, that's not a problem for you, though. And, as you can now see from mine, my life as an infidel superhero precludes me from getting significantly out of shape, too.  Anyway, nice to meet you and I look forward to chatting with you soon.


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Hello, Mjolnir. Welcome to the boards.

I love your screen-name. Though I suppose that your screen-name will have to kill my screen-name when Ragnarok comes.....

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Bob, I take it Australia is

Bob, I take it Australia is not as religious as the U.S. and not as Christian?

 

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Mjolnir wrote:Thanks, Bob. I

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Thanks, Bob. I read some of your posts on other threads and really liked what you had to say. Having not traveled much outside the U.S., I am always interested in life in other countries. SPeaking of which, I recently read that Australia has surpassed the U.S. as the world's most obese nation, so congratulations on that. Judging by your picture, that's not a problem for you, though. And, as you can now see from mine, my life as an infidel superhero precludes me from getting significantly out of shape, too.  Anyway, nice to meet you and I look forward to chatting with you soon.

Hey, thanks.

I do have to work at it a bit do keep in shape, as do my brother and sister, by consciously watching the diet and exercise where possible.

I have been a lot leaner, when I was regularly cycling to work, but now I am working from home I have to take time out to go for a ride or walk.

But yes, when I look around, it is a bit sad the number of really obese people around.

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JesusNEVERexisted wrote:Bob,

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Bob, I take it Australia is not as religious as the U.S. and not as Christian?

I don't think we have such a fundy leaning population, and are generally a bit more relaxed about things than the US.

I think we are a bit lower in proportion of Christians.

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JesusNEVERexisted wrote:

Bob, I take it Australia is not as religious as the U.S. and not as Christian?

I don't think we have such a fundy leaning population, and are generally a bit more relaxed about things than the US.

I think we are a bit lower in proportion of Christians.

bob, i think i've asked eloise this before, but are the kiwis just more crazy religious than the aussies or what?  how does a guy like ray comfort happen?  and i'm pretty sure i've seen several other kiwi evangelists.

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I said, 'Father change my name.'
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Jormungander, should I be

Jormungander, should I be obliged to kill you at Ragnarok, I feel pretty confident you would simply arise from the dead after three days anyways so...what the hell, let's just skip that step. I'm pleased to meet you as well.


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Welcome to the forum, spiderdad!

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(I know what comes to mind with catholic altar boys)

Lol.

 

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Thanks. What kind of bird is

Thanks. What kind of bird is that?


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iwbiek wrote:BobSpence1

iwbiek wrote:

BobSpence1 wrote:

JesusNEVERexisted wrote:

Bob, I take it Australia is not as religious as the U.S. and not as Christian?

I don't think we have such a fundy leaning population, and are generally a bit more relaxed about things than the US.

I think we are a bit lower in proportion of Christians.

bob, i think i've asked eloise this before, but are the kiwis just more crazy religious than the aussies or what?  how does a guy like ray comfort happen?  and i'm pretty sure i've seen several other kiwi evangelists.

I don't know off-hand. 

The most divisive and authoritarian right-wing government leader we had in my state, Johannes Bjelke-Petersen, came from New Zealand. I think he was strongly religious, his father was a Lutheran pastor.

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Mjolnir wrote:Thanks. What

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Thanks. What kind of bird is that?

It's a woodland kingfisher.

I just stole the picture from some random website. 

 

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iwbiek wrote:

bob, i think i've asked eloise this before, but are the kiwis just more crazy religious than the aussies or what?  how does a guy like ray comfort happen?  and i'm pretty sure i've seen several other kiwi evangelists.

 

I'm a dual national - born in New Zealand immigrated to Australia when I was eleven. Given my dad was a fundy minister in New Zealand I got a first hand view of the god thing there growing up. In the mid-60s through the 1970s there was a wave of evangelism across NZ. Billy Graham concerts might have been partly to blame. All the NZ fundy ministers tend to be of a certain age - 45-55 and that conforms with the time when things were most full on. I spent my whole young childhood going to rallys and christian camps which were a way for parents to unload the kids for a few weeks. It was very kiwi - very outdoorsy - plenty of singing and then hunting for eels or a possum-shoot or jumping in the river, canoing or whatever.

Interestingly, New Zealand is now among the least christian nations. The latest figures put atheists at 40 per cent of the population and the theist numbers there include a large contingent of jedi and satanists - New Zealand has more jedi and satanists per head than any other country on earth. You'd think most those who nominate Jedi are taking the piss. I nominated Jedi in the 2001 census in Australia for that reason. In comparison Australia has 70 per cent believers and I think the U.S. is 85 per cent.

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi, Mjolnir! Laughing out loud

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Hmf.

You are both thieves of a culture that doesn't belong to you. There's no way you can understand it without living with the conditions that created it in the first place. Romance is okay. Fantasy is fine. Drinkin' wine spo-de-odee. Read a book or two. Just don't confuse that with the conditions that created the myths in the first place... and the models for interpreting them and implementing their "message" into a reality of life and work out in the human life in the real world.

(Fucking hell I hate people who romanticize the vikings!!!)

Does none of you have any roots of your own? Can you not please - pretty please, even - go and find some other culture to sodomize?

We - the Norse people - have lived in our lands for thousands upon thousands of years. We "grow" here. Who the fuck are you?

What the fuck do you want?

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You might want to bite those Prozac in half from now on, dude. If that doesn't work, the try to "grow" a sense of humor. You're not that important. Sorry.


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Jormungander wrote:
I suppose that your screen-name will have to kill my screen-name when Ragnarok comes

 

Hmf.

You are both thieves of a culture that doesn't belong to you. There's no way you can understand it without living with the conditions that created it in the first place. Romance is okay. Fantasy is fine. Drinkin' wine spo-de-odee. Read a book or two. Just don't confuse that with the conditions that created the myths in the first place... and the models for interpreting them and implementing their "message" into a reality of life and work out in the human life in the real world.

(Fucking hell I hate people who romanticize the vikings!!!)

Does none of you have any roots of your own? Can you not please - pretty please, even - go and find some other culture to sodomize?

We - the Norse people - have lived in our lands for thousands upon thousands of years. We "grow" here. Who the fuck are you?

What the fuck do you want?

 

How far do you want to take this attitude?

Personally my ancient arse is highland scots - so if any of you paddle boys come near in our women in your bloody rowing boats I'm going to flick your arse with a wet beach towel. 

 

 

 

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Atheistextremist wrote: How

Atheistextremist wrote:

How far do you want to take this attitude?

 

 


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Chuckle...

 

Alright, alright, I give in. Take the tall blue girl with the long tail...

 

 

 

 

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 Alright, alright,

 

 

My nationalistic pride gets touchy sometimes.

Like if for instance I was a Sioux indian (haha pun) and some rednecks were playing that they were you.

(Knowing, of course, fuck all about the reality of "you"... only what the Hollywood fantasy tells them.)

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I laughed at

I laughed at religion/spirituality for many years after turning 18, and about 8 years before it. Now I'm mostly disturbed by human attempts to destroy each other over some amazingly trivial differences.

Also, I'm about as disgusted with the Catholic religion (but not the believers) as anyone can possibly be (and NOT because I'm an American Southerner.) There are days when I wish de debbil would consume the RAT-pope and send him screaming and burning all the way down to the City of Dis (Dante's Inferno). Then I watch Scarface and I feel better again.

Seriously, has anyone done a study on this? Aborted fetuses go to hell and wait for their mothers while 'there'? Book of Leviticus? How many drug addicts, cat houses, gambling casinos, snake oil salesmen, fake Stigmata hands, "FALSE Prophets", and Columbian Drug Cartels have arisen on the seemingly infinite blunders of the RCC's Vaticant? (pun!)

Ahhh... no skin off my nose, really.

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