Apparently you don't understand Christianity. [YOU RESPOND]

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From: FBRobertson@charter.net
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:48 PM
Subject: [Defend my God!] Just a simple letter to you

 

Franklin Robertson sent a message using the contact form at
http://www.rationalresponders.com/contact.

Greetings and salutations to you.  I come to you after reading the article
about your organization in the magazine Radar and by reviewing much of what
you have said on your website.  With what I have read in mind, I have
decided that it might be prudent, maybe advisable, to email you and
explain a few things to you.  Apparently you do not understand
Christianity, what you know of Christianity comes from what people like
Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins has to say on the one side and from the
actions and the (shall we say not the greatest speaking) voice of people
like Pat Robertson.  These are the people you read about in the news,
these are the people that express themselves through multitudes of books.
Either way I don’t think you truly understand what it means to be
Christian and what it means to have a Christian perspective toward God,
and from there, to the world that surrounds us from the smallest quantum
reality to the greatest of cosmological entities like the Great Attractor.
  Maybe it would be a good idea to explain who I am and where I come from.
Maybe then you might have, shall we say, a “picture” of the one who is
writing to you. 

I am a Christian and I am in seminary at the moment.  Where I come from is
this, I grew up to an extent in a Christian church, but due to various
factors I pushed myself away from the church and went into the world’s
views by the time I finished high school and entered into college.  My BA
degree is in history, and the several years that took to get the degree I
studied everything from atheism on the one hand to Wicca on the other
hand.  I made class presentations on abortion rights, I made class
presentations on evolution.  And by the time I entered into aiming toward
a Master’s Degree in education, I was fully involved and invoking the
occult, while still reading all that I could read on other points of view.
 Nothing satisfied me.  Nothing fed the hunger within me.  Nothing could
really reach where my mind and my heart wanted to reach toward.  I was
not, I wish to point out, going out taking drugs or drinking.  I was still
very prudent about how I behaved, which I guess is a good thing.  Still,
there was nothing for me, nothing that could satisfy all that I found
myself longing for.  It would be in the darkest time of my life that I
found myself before the one true God.

God came into my life and brought me out of the darkness that I had
self-inflicted upon myself.  That doesn’t mean I became fully awakened
toward how I should be and where I should aim my life and heart and mind
and soul toward, nor does this mean that I had a crutch that now made
everything right where everything was wrong.  God is not a crutch.
Everything doesn’t just suddenly fall into place and a proverbial light
bulb does not suddenly explode with light above my forehead.  It took
several years for me to truly gain a foothold in my life.  God was there
by my side, through the thick of my struggles, but He did not patronize me
by patting me on the head like you seem to think that we Christians think
of how He treats us when we rely upon Him.  I was deep into my sins, my
anger, my resentment, my sadness, my pride, my arrogance—much like
everyone else.  Still God was there, or shall I make it a specific point,
God through Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior was there for me all
through this that I went through.  The tears.  The cursing.  The
frustration.  God was there to bring me from the darkness that I had
allowed myself to wallow in, brought me to the light.

I wish to point out at this moment that this transformation through God
through Christ and the workings of the Holy Spirit (thus the Triune God,
God who shows Himself into human history Father, Son, and Holy Ghost), was
not based solely and only on emotionalism and the desire to cling to the
emotional crutches that you seem to view our views (that is Christians’
views) of God.  As God says in the Old Testament to the people of God, I
came to reason with God.  God wants Christians to come to Him on both an
intellectual level and a spiritual level—to become, or more poignantly,
to say one is Christian only on the grounds of emotionalism is to show
weakness, a weakness that will become plain when hardship comes.  And
hardship does come.  Life is not perfect.  Life is not always pleasant.
We go through struggles.  We have our battles.  We fall, we scrap our
knees.  God is there by our side through this in our minds and in our
hearts and in our souls.  For me, this was as much an intellectual climb
up the proverbial mountain as it was a heartfelt climb up the same
proverbial mountain.  And the climb was hard, there were struggles, and in
a sense I am still climbing.

Within this struggle, along this climb, I recognized and faced my
sinfulness, my shortcomings.  I recognized and confronted lusts, anger,
resentment, pride, arrogance, something that all men and women cling
to…something that God will replace with Himself across time, across
tests, across space, across interaction.  Sin is not merely the flesh,
that is a Gnostic, and thus a false, view as to what sin is.  Sin is borne
in the mind, physically just as spiritually.  The seeds are there for we
are all sinners.  Do I believe in the Fall?  Yes.  I believe that just as
Adam fell, so too do we fall.  How I approach the pericopes of Genesis 1-4
is inconsequential for now, but I will let it plainly be said that I come
into examining these pericopes in the same light as Old Earth theological
study.  But I digress, there is the fall, there is sin in each and every
one of us, and we either can go into eternity clinging to that sin or we
can go into eternity being freed from that sin through the gift of Christ
Jesus’ moment on the cross and revelation in the resurrection.  Where
Adam failed, where we fall fail, Christ Jesus, Son of God, Son of Man, was
able to…and to this day…is able to free us so that we may be free
indeed.

As of now I am 35 years of age and I have been a Christian for the past
six years.  During that time I have gone through struggles, through
temptation, through conundrums, but then again, who doesn’t go through
these in life?  In terms of my Christian walk I have worked hard to study
God’s word, the Scriptures, from the Old Testament to the New Testament.
 Through these studies, through the questions and answers that come about
through these studies, along with the workings of the Spirit in me, I had
decided to go into seminary.  While at first I planned on ministering, I
now see the calling is toward teaching theology to future ministers and
students who are of and in the Body of Christ.  Within the studies that I
have worked through just in the seminary, studies that range from the Old
Testament to (where I am in my studies now) Church history, I have been
amazed and humbled by the multitudes of ways God has acted in human
history.  God has indeed worked wonders in human history, the greatest of
these was of course…and is of course…Jesus Christ.  The more I study
the history of God’s actions in humanity, the more I see the eternal
truth that is there.

Please let me state, before going any further, the ideas of the
Inquisition or actions such as those: you cannot blame God/Christianity on
these actions just like you cannot blame what Stalin did on Marx nor what
Hitler did on Charles Darwin (i.e. you cannot blame the actions done under
“Social Darwinism” on Darwin). To say that, for example, what the
Catholic church did through the Inquisition was not because of Jesus
Christ, just as you cannot say that Stalin’s communism is the fault of
Marx and thus Marx should be banished from the bookshelves.  When anyone,
whether they say they are Christian or Communist, whether they say they
are atheist or Wiccan, twists the words of others in order for power to be
held, that is an act of not only cowardly evil, but foolishness.  Sadly,
many in history, at least using the last two thousand years, have used the
art of twisting words to construct the monument for the totalitarianism
that they have longed for—whether under the banner of the Cross or under
the banner of Communism.  I wished to add this point before continuing
because I know that many people see life through A+B=C kind of mentality
when it doesn’t always work that way.

Concerning myself as a seminary student, I wish to express the importance
of hard work and study.  This isn’t just going to one class after the
next filled with emotionalism’s clamoring over God-this and God-that.
These classes are filled with intellectual pursuit in understanding
God’s actions in human history.  This is done through studying God’s
interaction through revelation and there are two ways, I wish to point out
now, that God interacts in revelation.  God acts through His revelation in
nature, how nature (and thus the natural sciences from astrophysics and
biology to zoology) points toward there not only the fact that there is a
God, but that this God can be known and brought into a relationship with.
Thus leading to the second, which is often called special revelation.  God
has interacted with His creation, with we human beings, through those
souls such as Abraham and Moses and Elijah and Elisha and John the Baptist
and Peter and Paul and Mary and Martha.  Most of all, He has shown Himself
through Jesus Christ who is not only historically true, but also
theologically and eternally true.  Though you may deny history, though you
may turn a blind’s eye toward history, there is truth.

So what then does it mean, at least for me, to be a Christian as I have
become one and study in seminary?  For some reason, though I realize there
are false witnesses like Pat Robertson, you seem to clamor to the idea that
everyone who is a Christian equals that everyone who calls themselves
Christians are fascists.  I do not consider myself fascist, nor are any of
the people I go to school with, anyone I know at my church, and none
members of my own family are fascists.  I don’t go out and yell and
scream at the local gay bars, calling down hell fire and brimstone.  In
fact I know several friends, very good friends, one in which is teaching
me college physics (and from there to quantum, particle, and
astrophysics), who are homosexual.  They know I disagree with their
lifestyle, but that has never ever placed a boundary between myself and
them.  Ironically, this friend is a fan of yours, he himself has a
“no-theist” club.  Then you might call me a sexist because I am
against abortion, then again, I am against abortion for the same reason I
am against war, I believe that human life is intrinsically powerful and
priceless.  To kill a human being for the sake of killing is wrong.  Am I
thus a fascist because I believe in human rights?

Then again you also seem to think that all Christians are uneducated
bruits.  I do not consider myself an uneducated bruit.  I don’t even
chew tobacco or go to stock car races, scratching myself in inappropriate
places during the whole show.  I say that in jest but that is how it seems
to me that you wish to portray Christians.  As some kind of Neanderthals
wearing fish t-shirts and blue jeans.  As a Christian, the more I learn of
God through Christ, throughout the world around me, the more I see action
and interaction.  The more I study God’s word the more I desire to
understand all the nuances of science, from astrophysics to biology.  I
read books on history, I read books on philosophy.  The more I grow in
Christ, the more I grow mindfully.  This mindfulness also makes me realize
the dire need to help my fellow man—whether I am teaching or whether I am
supporting the local church’s missionary work in local homeless shelters
or all the way across the world.  And the more I learn, the more I grow,
the more excited I am about how I see God works His hands in human
history, the mystery and the majesty of this universe among all the
parallel universes, from quarks to the Great Attractor.  I see action, I
learn about action, I adore the action

In conclusion, let me please say a few words.  The reason for this letter
is not in order to lord “hellfire and brimstone” against you and your
organization.  You have the rights toward your beliefs.  The problem I
have is that you have an inadequate understanding toward God and toward
what it means to be a Christian, what it means to live a Christian life.
You do not know what it means to be a Christian, and what you seem to
think you know only seems to come through clinging onto people like Sam
Harris and Christopher Hitchens while lumping all Christians into the same
room as Pat Robertson or the late Jerry Falwell.  I believe that
Christianity can give, truly give, when one immerses oneself in the
intricacies of the truth of God through Jesus Christ, all that atheism
cannot give.  Atheism cannot give hope.  Atheism cannot give peace.
Atheism cannot give wisdom.  Atheism cannot bring about a greater image of
the beauty, the mysteries, the joys, the tears, that is our life in this
universe that has been around for billions of years.  A universe that is
truly God’s kingdom, from all that is seen to all that is unseen.  I
have hope that I have expressed my case to you well enough.  Who I am.
What I am.  Right here, aiming my life toward God.

I realize you receive a multitude of letters, this is not a letter of hate
toward you or your organization, nor is this a snide letter meant to make
myself feel good while demonizing you.  I wish none of that toward you.
Again, I just wish to clarify to you, help you see with myself as the
example, why I see your presupposition toward Christians like myself is a
false presupposition that needs to be rectified.  I hope in some small way
I have shown light toward where you seem to lump everyone together into one
motif.  In closing, I wish you a good day.

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Quote: Greetings and


Quote:
Greetings and salutations to you.  I come to you after reading the article
about your organization in the magazine Radar and by reviewing much of what
you have said on your website.  With what I have read in mind, I have
decided that it might be prudent, maybe advisable, to email you and
explain a few things to you.  Apparently you do not understand
Christianity, what you know of Christianity comes from what people like
Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins has to say on the one side and from the
actions and the (shall we say not the greatest speaking) voice of people
like Pat Robertson.....

From what I can tell, the majority of us come from christian backgrounds.

Quote:
God came into my life and brought me out of the darkness that I had
self-inflicted upon myself.  That doesn’t mean I became fully awakened
toward how I should be and where I should aim my life and heart and mind
and soul toward, nor does this mean that I had a crutch that now made
everything right where everything was wrong.  God is not a crutch.
Everything doesn’t just suddenly fall into place and a proverbial light
bulb does not suddenly explode with light above my forehead.  It took
several years for me to truly gain a foothold in my life.  God was there
by my side, through the thick of my struggles, but He did not patronize me
by patting me on the head like you seem to think that we Christians think
of how He treats us when we rely upon Him.  I was deep into my sins, my
anger, my resentment, my sadness, my pride, my arrogance—much like
everyone else.  Still God was there, or shall I make it a specific point,
God through Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior was there for me all
through this that I went through.  The tears.  The cursing.  The
frustration.  God was there to bring me from the darkness that I had
allowed myself to wallow in, brought me to the light.

Basic christian delusions. If you believed in Alice in Wonderland enough, it would have the same effect.


Quote:
As of now I am 35 years of age and I have been a Christian for the past
six years.  During that time I have gone through struggles, through
temptation, through conundrums, but then again, who doesn’t go through
these in life?  In terms of my Christian walk I have worked hard to study
God’s word, the Scriptures, from the Old Testament to the New Testament.
Through these studies, through the questions and answers that come about
through these studies, along with the workings of the Spirit in me, I had
decided to go into seminary.  While at first I planned on ministering, I
now see the calling is toward teaching theology to future ministers and
students who are of and in the Body of Christ.  Within the studies that I
have worked through just in the seminary, studies that range from the Old
Testament to (where I am in my studies now) Church history, I have been
amazed and humbled by the multitudes of ways God has acted in human
history.  God has indeed worked wonders in human history, the greatest of
these was of course…and is of course…Jesus Christ.  The more I study
the history of God’s actions in humanity, the more I see the eternal
truth that is there.

What studies are you talking about? Obviously not History, because, as the famous George Carlin would of said, his ass would of been fired along time ago. You're using the bible as a historical reference while ignoring everything else that disproves it.

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Please let me state, before going any further, the ideas of the
Inquisition or actions such as those: you cannot blame God/Christianity on
these actions just like you cannot blame what Stalin did on Marx nor what
Hitler did on Charles Darwin (i.e. you cannot blame the actions done under
“Social Darwinism” on Darwin)....

Wrong, Marx and Stalin didn't do their deeds in the name of atheism, but the Spanish did do theirs in the name of your god.


Quote:
Concerning myself as a seminary student, I wish to express the importance
of hard work and study.  This isn’t just going to one class after the
next filled with emotionalism’s clamoring over God-this and God-that.
These classes are filled with intellectual pursuit in understanding
God’s actions in human history....  Most of all, He has shown Himself
through Jesus Christ who is not only historically true, but also
theologically and eternally true.  Though you may deny history, though you
may turn a blind’s eye toward history, there is truth.

Excuse me, are you saying history says christ existed? You're more delusional then even I thought, All "evidence" of Jesus was written 20-150 years after his "death." How convenient. There is FAR more evidence against him then for him, looks like you're the one turning the blind eye.


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Then again you also seem to think that all Christians are uneducated
bruits....

We don't make anything seem anything, the christians have done a good enough job for us.

When once asked in the library if I believed in Jesus Christ, I pointed out that zombie novels are in the fiction section.


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2 Things

First...

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God came into my life and brought me out of the darkness that I had
self-inflicted upon myself.

It was not self-inflicted. Your own Bible says quite explicitly that your "fallen" state was something done TO you by your God as your share of the collective punishment for Adam and Eve's disobedience.

Your liberator was also your captor.

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Do I believe in the Fall?  Yes.  I believe that just as Adam fell, so too do we fall.

Adam didn't fall. He was PUSHED.

Second...

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Please let me state, before going any further, the ideas of the Inquisition or actions such as those: you cannot blame God/Christianity on
these actions just like you cannot blame what Stalin did on Marx nor what Hitler did on Charles Darwin (i.e. you cannot blame the actions done under “Social Darwinism” on Darwin). To say that, for example, what the Catholic church did through the Inquisition was not because of Jesus
Christ, just as you cannot say that Stalin’s communism is the fault of Marx and thus Marx should be banished from the bookshelves.

And the slaughter of multitudes on God's command - or indeed, by God directly - as clearly recounted in the Old Testament? Who's responsible for that?

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OP wrote: "I believe that

OP wrote: "I believe that Christianity can give, truly give, when one immerses oneself in the intricacies of the truth of God through Jesus Christ, all that atheism
cannot give.  Atheism cannot give hope.  Atheism cannot give peace.
Atheism cannot give wisdom.  Atheism cannot bring about a greater image of
the beauty, the mysteries, the joys, the tears, that is our life in this
universe that has been around for billions of years.  A universe that is
truly God’s kingdom, from all that is seen to all that is unseen.  I
have hope that I have expressed my case to you well enough.  Who I am.
What I am.  Right here, aiming my life toward God."  ////  ~~~~~~~~~~~~

My friend, to make this brief , you have it backwards. The true message from story jesus buddah philosophy is the atheistic one, of No master, No idol, No superstition, No separatisim. We all are the christ. Everything is 100% connected. I could simply re-write your words an say atheism is the bringer of the saving message(s). Jesus is a misunderstood atheist hero of mine, especially considering the non-scientific times of his simple wisdom. I suggest you read the eastern ideas regarding jesus philosophy. Alan Watts wrote this,

 "The religion of Jesus was that he knew he was a son of God, and the phrase "son of " means "of the nature of," so that a son of God is an individual who realizes that he is, and always has been, one with God. "I and the Father are one." ...... and,  "Let this mind be in you." that is to say, let the same kind of [rational] consciousness be in you that was in Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ knew he was God."

"Wake up" [said a buddha] and find out eventually who you also really are [ god ]. In our culture of course, they'll say you're crazy or you're blasphemous, and they'll either put you in jail or in the nut house (which is the same thing). But if you wake up in India and tell your friends and relations, "My goodness, I've just discovered that I'm God," they'll laugh and say, "Oh, congratulations, at last you found out." ~ Alan Watts

Check this out,

"Wisdom of the Buddha" , 8 min

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTsb-woP3jI

 

 

 


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Actually, nowhere in the

Actually, nowhere in the bible does jesus call himself the son of god. Jesus in the NT referred to himself as the son of man. The pharisees referred to jesus as the son of god.

This just points out the beauty of what you just said even more poignantly. We are all sons of god...... we are one. Buddha be with you.

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I do understand christianity.

Not only did I grow up christian, but I spent years studying the history and resulting variations of chrstianity.  You may say that I don't like christianity, or that I don't respect it, but you cannot say that I don't understand it.

I'm sorry life has often sucked for you.  That is generally part of human existence.  If you need to religion to get by, then by all means inhale it.  Don't try and get me to buy into the fallacies though.  I don't need religion to be able to deal with my shortcomings.  I prefer to examine them through the perspective of cause and effect, striving for healthy and generally rational behavior.

"Then you might call me a sexist because I am against abortion, then again, I am against abortion for the same reason I am against war, I believe that human life is intrinsically powerful and priceless."

That is a belief, not a fact.  I don't believe that life just for the sake of life is priceless.  What is being done with that life and what are the consequences of that life?  Should that justify the taking of life.  Generally, no.  However, that is for the caretakers of that life to decide.  If something is growing in my body I have not only the right but the responsibility to decide what to do with that something.  A fetus does not have rights over my body just because some sperm fertilized an egg.  You certainly can object all you want to this, but you do not have the right to interfere in my life based on your beliefs of what is good for me.

"Atheism cannot give hope.  Atheism cannot give peace.
Atheism cannot give wisdom.  Atheism cannot bring about a greater image of
the beauty, the mysteries, the joys, the tears, that is our life in this
universe that has been around for billions of years.  A universe that is
truly God’s kingdom, from all that is seen to all that is unseen."

You misunderstand atheism.  Just the very existence of people willing to call themselves atheists and advocate for their right to do do gives me hope that humanity might be ok in the long-term.  Atheism has given me peace from the fear and hatred that christianity instilled in me.  I am free to find out what is wisdom instead of accepting dogma.  Physics and math have brought me a appreciation of the universe that I never had in religion.  It is only with the freedom from religion that I have found myself able to avail myself of the most complete understanding of the universe via science that I am capable of.

I thank you for your good wishes and wish you well in the journey that is life.  I hope someday you can gain a better understanding of what christianity is and be well without it.

"I am that I am." - Proof that the writers of the bible were beyond stoned.


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Been there, done that.  I

Been there, done that.  I thought like you, believed the same pile of bullshit you do, and even taught bible school (S.B. of course). I was almost 18 when I caught the virus and was no longer able to think rationally.  But then, I found the cure!  I actually did what I had attempted several times in my early teens even though my faith at that time was not all that strong.  I read the bible!  As a kid I had too many questions about stuff the preacher didn't want to answer and I just couldn't hang with the "god works in mysterious ways" crap.  I tried to read the bible bible from beginning to end and actually did it twice, skipping all those "begats" after the first read.  That's when all those questions came back to me.  I've been sober and rational ever since (sometimes I slip on the rational stuff when someone pisses me off).

Look, god "exists" only because we humans exists.  Just like the Easter Bunny "exists" as long as people believe in Him, even to the slightest extent. Once the human race dies out (we will, I have faith in you christians, I know you people will destroy us and likely the whole planet) god's true chosen ones will then reign.  IF there was a GoddoG and she/he/it was going to create the perfect creature it would have to be the cockroach.  We're just here to test their loyalty to the Roach God.

You can substitute whatever you want into any verse in the bible in which Dog is named and have an argument that is just as valid as the god-argument.  Let's try a few:

And god said, let there be light; And Easter Bunny said, let there be light; And Odin said, let there be light.

And jesus said, Who touched me?; And Easter Bunny said, Who touched me?; and Odin said, Who touched me?

And jesus said, make the men sit down; and Easter Bunny said, make the men sit down; and Odin said, make the men sit down.

Now, I know you don't believe in Easter Bunny or Odin.  Why?  Why don't you believe in them?  Think about it and when you have thought of all the reasons you have for not believing in Easter Bunny or Odin, you will know why I don't believe in your god and why you shouldn't believe in him either. It's an old argument, I know, but a good one still.

Read your bible from cover to cover (you can skip the "begats&quotEye-wink with a critical eye, not a blind one.  Check out Rook's "Bible Inerrancy" on this site. Then use your critical eye toward disproving and/or explaining these contradictions.  An explanation does not include anything like "god's ways are beyond your knowing", or any other apologetica.

Also, explain why it's okay for god and jesus (yeah, yeah, I know, the trinity and all that shit) to break all the ten commandments. While you're at it, count up all the people god killed, jesus ordered killed (whether or not they were killed, the intent was there) and compare that to how many people Satan supposedly killed, and look at why Satan killed the ones he did.

It appears, you don't know a whole hell of a lot about the bible.  If your serious about your studies get into a good theological university, a mainstream university not a bible fundy school where they teach you just enough to be dangerous. It's hard work and study but goshdarn it, it's important.

You also do not appear to know much about this site and it's members.  We come from a wide variety of backgrounds and professions. As a group we are intelligent and knowledgeable.  This site is not just a bunch of atheists sitting around in darkened rooms lit only by the glow of the monitor, plotting the overthrow of christianity.  In fact, we've more than a handful of educated, intelligent christians who are members.  In my personal life most of the people I know believe in god to one degree or another though some are downright agnostic about it.  And, most of them are intelligent and reasonably knowledgeable.

I'd say, off-hand, that you couldn't have read many of the threads available to peruse and you likely didn't explore any of the rest of this site.  Take some time to read more than a few threads and read the many blogs of the core members and others.  Do this, it may take more than a few doses but, it will eventually knock the stuffing out of the virus that's infected you.

As to your misunderstanding of what atheism is, I couldn't put it any better than anniet.  Re-read it many times until it is permanently etched in your mind. Join the site and read more than the threads where we take care of the lightweights.  That's not being fair to us or the christians on the site.  Pick one or two threads with a lighthearted debate going and pay attention to both sides giving equal weight to both arguments and use reason, not faith or mysticism, or the bible as evidence. Take all the magic out of it and you can see this is all you're left with.

Well, good luck  with your journey.  Hope we've been helpful in rationalizing you.

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     If We are all the children of God  (hallalujah choir)   then what's so effing special about Jesus H.Christ??

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Mr educated Christian, the

Mr educated Christian, the word is spelled "brute" ....not "bruit"  


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Sorry, kiddo.  Most of us

Sorry, kiddo.  Most of us are ex-Christians.

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Hambydammit wrote:Sorry,

Hambydammit wrote:

Sorry, kiddo.  Most of us are ex-Christians.

 

 

  Precisely.  I was a practicing protestant fundamentalist Jesus freak for over half of my life.   I wasn't a poser Christian either.  I was the real deal when it came to my devotion to Christ.

  I didn't become an atheist intentionally.  That was never my goal or desire.  I investigated the claims put forth by skeptics against my cherished beliefs and my beliefs crumbled under the light of reason.

  I'm an atheist because I was left with no other logical option.  Once I saw the falsity of my former faith I could not and would not lie to myself. 

 

 

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ITA Hambydammit!

"I didn't become an atheist intentionally.  That was never my goal or desire.  I investigated the claims put forth by skeptics against my cherished beliefs and my beliefs crumbled under the light of reason.

I'm an atheist because I was left with no other logical option.  Once I saw the falsity of my former faith I could not and would not lie to myself."

I could have not said it any better myself!