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Hi,

I've been a long time lurker and fan of RRS.  I've been following the movement after Sapient, Kelly, Rook, Yellow #5 splintered off from the Infidelguy forums to form the RRS.  Before that I've been involved in the freethought community ever since I deconverted from Christianity.  I grew up in the Assemblies of God church and was brainwashed at an early age.  I got to experience a lot of weird shit in my early years from Holy Ghost revivals (speaking in tongues, holy laughter, faith healings) and later got into studying the bible more critically later on.  I had done a lot of street evangelism in my teens and was the typical "on fire" teen who spread the insanity that christianity had to offer.

My process of deconversion started within the christian community.  It was arguing positions like eternal security vs. loss of salvation and futurism vs. preterism.  Soon after I started delving into the greek NT and picked up interliners and greek concordances.  During college back in '94, there wasn't much information on the internet except Usenet newsgroups and the best freethinking resource Secular Web (Internet Infidels).  I spent my college summers researching early christianity, the canon of the NT, and bible contradictions to the point where I became more liberal in my christianity.  I was briefly involved in two extreme christian cults - Way International and the International Church of Christ - where they had oppresive views on sexuality.  ICCC put guilt trips on you for masturbation and had you write "sin lists".  The Way had a commune style of cultists who slept with each other (at least that's what I thought with a few men living with 2 women in this pad).

So over time I gave up christianity entirely.  Jason Steiner was a major influence on my thinking, and his page <a href="http://gaydeceiver.com/religion/">The Essential Absurdity of Christianity</a> sums up my view as well.  There was a period of confusion and depression that followed after I realized there was no christian God, so I was involved in the Unitarian Universalists for a while.  I liked their community outreaches and social gatherings, but dislike the generic hymns and churchiness of the sermons.  Still there was no other place to meet like-minded people.  During that time I was still in contact with christians of the Reformed Presbyterian variety.  A small groups leader dumped me books by R.C. Sproul, Ravi Zacharias, etc and I ended reading them, but at the time I lacked the debating skills to refute all those claims.  Thanks to the internet now there are so many resources to tap into.

I started reading philosophy.  Ayn Rand's Virtue of Selfishness influenced my views, and secular humanism became my world view.  After graduating college, I starting working in engineering/IT field which was lucrative in pay.  I did well for a few years until a series of events in my life drove me to the world's oldest profession.  In the meantime I tried starting up a freethought group on campus (to no avail), but I had the opportunity to support Students for Freethought at OSU.  I got to meet August Brunsman (who now head the Secular Student Alliance), and it was a good social group and one of the best organizations I've been involved.  That was years ago, but I got to meet Micheal Shermer who gave a talk on psuedoscience, Massimo Pigluicci who gave a talk on evolution, and I missed James Randi after I moved on with another job.

During my stay in the KC area, I got to network with other humanists and atheists.  It was difficult to socialize with the older folk as I was in my 20s, but it was only place I could meet other freethinkers.  I spent some time with those groups and met other ex-christians.  I got to see Massimo again debate John Calvert (ID proponent) at a UU church during the time when evolution was a controversy in Kansas.  After a job loss and an illness that took me 4 years to recover from, my life changed and had to deal with fundie parents again. 

I started doing a lot of menial work and low-paying jobs to survive until I went into the sex industry.  I've always had an oppressive upbringing from my parents who never talked about sex and made me feel inferior about sex period.  In high school I was very shy and took the bible verse where Jesus said that 'if you lust in your heart after a woman, you commited adultery'.  After seeing Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Baker fall from sexual indiscretions, it made me wonder why sex was the only thing that could bring a televangelist down.  During the time when Ted Haggard was outed by Mike Jones a male prostitute, I was working in a male strip club.  MJ was shunned by many people but a group of bloggers came to his rescue and helped him out.  I thought the act of a prostitute outing a hypocritical gay televangelist was one of the greatest feats of accomplishments.  You can follow his story here:  http://joemygod.blogspot.com/search?q=mike+jones

Over the last 10 years my views of spirituality changed from secular humanism to the Church of Reality which best decribes my views.  At the time a lot of atheists riduculed the notion of a "church" (which is nothing more of a gathering of people) and thought an atheist religion was conflicting.  I saw it as having a community of people working together to advance our knowledge of reality.  I didn't like the pluralism of the UUs, nor the stodgy view of other atheist groups, so I started getting involved in the movement (which is relatively unknown compared to other groups).

After college I was interested in drugs and drug culture.  I was fascinated by the psychoactive like LSD and read a lot of Timothy Leary.  I knew people who used powerful psychoactives to their benefit.  A lot of atheists seem to shun the idea of using drugs.  For example James Randi doesn't want to do anything to alter his conciousness and is against it.  Over time I found out about Micheal Persinger's research who can recreate the God experience in the laboratory, NDEs, lucid dreaming, salvia divinorum, and DMT.  DMT was the most fascinating drug because it is produced in your pineal gland when you sleep.  Shamans in the tribal cultures use this to gain insight on many different things.  I've had drug induced experiences that changed my views on conciousness and God.  I'm still an atheist, but I don't focus on it like many do here because there is more to life than non-belief in gods.

So as far as sexuality goes, I was embarrased to talk about it and wondered why even the non-religious were too.  It's still a taboo in our society although it's less of a factor now.   I identify myself as bisexual (gay for pay, rare moments of homosexuality) or as Alfred <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale">Kinsey's scale</a> 1-2 on the chart.

After making friends with a crazy stripper girl, I got into the subculture of drugs, drama, transexuals, drama queens and other freaks of nature.  I started go-go dancing at a gay club and then worked in a private club where males stripped for primarily gay men.  I have a lot of crazy experiences in that club with all the power struggles, drama, drugs, and freaks that would come in.  I won't go into personal stories but if you are interested here's one that got out in the news:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seth_Tobias

http://nymag.com/news/features/43914/

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Soon after I started escorting and getting into some deviant behavior that clients got off on.  I have a experience dealing with crack whores, strippers, escorts, transexuals, and it's made me see that sexuality is broader than just gay/straight.  The work is hard and oftentimes dangerous besides most people have to live a double life because you can easily get arrested or have your "job" exposed to others that will not understand or respect the work you do.

Well I guess it's out that Kelly's a stripper (I had my hunch a while back), so it's good to see that an prominent atheist is in the industry and not too covert about it.  If you think getting on a pole and having people grab you, shove dollars in your private parts, do lap dances, private rooms is easy...well it ain't.  The work is a lot of fun but there are a lot of issues to deal with - abusive management, drama from other strippers, trickery (stealing business, personal items, money), getting bruised on the pole, cheap ass customers, etc...so I commend Kelly from coming out of the closet.  Smiling

Although the government doesn't want to admit it the economy is in recession.  Money is tight and former clients are getting cheaper, more of them are into hard drugs, and even the girls that I knew working at a popular strip club say making money is bad.  Last time this year girls were ballin' and now they are lucky if they come out a $100/night.  Vegas was the best market - an experienced dancer could walk out with 1K-3K a night.  Too bad I wasn't a female 'cause I'd be ho-ing like a motherfucker!!

So now I'm involved in sex worker activism with bloggers and organizations like Desiree Alliance and $pread magazine.  Alexyss Tylor is another sex educator that I hope to work with more in the future.  Just watch some of her videos on Youtube - they are hilarious.

Politically I see that we are headed toward hyperinflationary depression.  The US dollar has tanked while foreign currencies have risen.  The price of oil and food will continue to go up while jobs will be shed and the poor/middle class will go broke.  Gold and silver will take off as well as foreign commodities.  I'm a huge Ron Paul supporter because of his small gov't ideas and sound money principles.  His revolution is not likely to give him a chance of presidency, but hopefully his ideas of the revolution will penetrate the conciousness of americans before the election.

I don't care who gets elected besides Ron Paul.  The real people of power are the ones who run the banking dynasty and the secret societies.  That's something that I'm researching now.  A lot of good Youtube/Google video documentaries are online.  Check Jordan Maxwell's <a href="http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=EA3D5A2EFF285F20">The Naked Truth</a> and I'm sure many of you in the RRS would agree with the arguments he raises.

Alright if you got this far, thanks for reading.  Comments and questions are welcomed.

Rev. Real (my alter-ego that I'm working on)

 


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Welcome!Wow that was quite

Welcome!

Wow that was quite the intro.Glad to have you around,you seem to really know what you're talking about.I find it interesting that you spoke about sex,as that has been a theme in conversations lately.Maybe you will get some good sex discussions going..

I,like many others here,am a ex-fundy,so I know what you're talking about.I'm still in that learning stage of new atheism,but then again you never stop learning.

Really hope you hang around and enjoy

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Whew ! That's been quite a

Whew ! That's been quite a life.

You know I could never vote for a candidate who dismisses evolution as a scientific fact (Ron Paul).  Also while secret societies may have more influence than we realize, I'm hesitant to give credence to anything or anyone that cannot show me hard evidence of said influence.  I realize that "secret" makes this evidence difficult to come by but holding to the same standard keeps me from joining philosophies or communities that I'll later regret.  

It sounds like you've done alot of searching over the years.  My personal philosophy has always been to make sure you spend at least as much, if not more time, on an "internal" search as you do on anything external. 

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i think my mind just explodiated from ample joke possibilities


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AmericanIdle wrote:You know

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You know I could never vote for a candidate who dismisses evolution as a scientific fact (Ron Paul). 

I don't agree with his religious views, views on evolution, or abortion.  Still RP understands the proper role of government according to the Constitution.  The states determine the legal issues on things like doctor-assisted suicide, marijuana, prostitution.  The thing is that the federal government has been infringing on state's rights for years.

I've seen a lot of atheists get hung up on the evolution issue, but if he was president he woudn't make it a federal issue.  Actually he would work on dismantling the Department of Education which is a gov't monopoly.  In a free market, education would be cheap and better.  College education wouldn't be so expensive if we were on sound money.  If we were still on the gold standard, gas would be relatively stable at $.30/gallon.  It's all the excessive inflation in the finanical system that causes prices to rise over time.

Even though RP is christian and opposes things like prostitution, he defends freedom of choice.  That gives me major respect for him

John Stossel Interviews Ron Paul on drugs, prostituition, gay marriage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJz81lAwY0M

Politically I'm a free market anarchist, and RP would be the closest step towards it.

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Also while secret societies may have more influence than we realize, I'm hesitant to give credence to anything or anyone that cannot show me hard evidence of said influence.  I realize that "secret" makes this evidence difficult to come by but holding to the same standard keeps me from joining philosophies or communities that I'll later regret.

Ya know it's so ubiquitous that the majority of Americans don't realize that secret societies are literally in face everyday.  Just look at the back of the US dollar bill - examine the symbols...it's all from secret societies.

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Go ahead - make my day. Smiling

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Ron Paul is a wing nut.

Ron Paul is a wing nut. WAAYYYYYYY too far to the right. States rights has been a non-issue since 1865. States dont have rights - individuals do. I think that's one thing that's really fucked up in this country is in an enlightened state like Massachusettes or California things are one way while in a backwards-ass one like Alabama or Texas they're like being in another country. The states can't even fucking pave roads right. Of course I'm a far left socialist so my views would be different.

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MattShizzle wrote:Ron Paul

MattShizzle wrote:

Ron Paul is a wing nut. WAAYYYYYYY too far to the right.

Umm no.  Christopher Hitchens is more of a wing-nut and he's an atheist!

Ron Paul is a fiscal conservative (small gov't) and liberal in the sense of personal liberties (libertarian)

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 States rights has been a non-issue since 1865. States dont have rights - individuals do.

You're thinking more along the lines of a libertarian/anarchist now...

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I think that's one thing that's really fucked up in this country is in an enlightened state like Massachusettes or California things are one way while in a backwards-ass one like Alabama or Texas they're like being in another country. The states can't even fucking pave roads right. Of course I'm a far left socialist so my views would be different.

...but you are a socialist.  Actually I find many atheists to be left-leaning or socialists.  More gov't spending for education, health care, etc, but where does all that money come from?  The gov't has to borrow it from a private central bank at interest putting it in debt and to pay the debt back it needs to borrow more money from the central bank putting it into debt slavery.  That's what's happening today with the national debt.  Eventually that drives the currency down as more paper money and credit is circulated in the economy.

I doubt the average atheist has taken the time to research Ron Paul's positions nor have they studied Austrian economics which would explain their ignorance or misunderstanding of how the economy works.  I know this because on another atheist forum there's a huge RP debate where the same objections are brought up.

http://ronpaullibrary.org/

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I do disagree with Hitchens

I do disagree with Hitchens on a lot. He's not exactly a social liberal either being a pro-life asshat (I consider pro-lifers the scum of the earth.) I have said before, If I could eliminate either religion or capitalism from the Earth it would be a very tough choice for me. Right now I think I'd get rid of capitalism - at least liberal religious people do do some good without harming others, while Capitalism it seems to me is the worst thing ever invented. I personally am about as far to the left as a person can get - seriously, read some of my posts! I think most CEO's and owners of businesses that exploit their employees should be executed and all their assets given to the employees. Personally, I think the perfect world would be where everyone made exactly the same ammount of money. Nothing could be worse than the US now where the people that work their asses off make nothing and the rich pieces of shit that sit on their asses make a fortune off those who work. All capitalists should be executed.

I actually voted for /am voting for Barrack Obama but politically he looks like Rush Limbaugh compared to me. Someone once told me Marxists are reactionary compared to me!

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Two things of interest...The

Two things of interest...

The Sex Worker's Art Show organized by Annie Oakley whose book Working Sex I just finished.

www.sexworkersartshow.com

and

www.pflag.org

 

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Welcome to you, and thanks

Welcome to you, and thanks for your story.

I hope you find a community here that you may not be able to find in the larger world. I know I have, and I think you will too.

Here, very few, if anybody is going to care about your past or what you or have done for a living. Nobody is going to care about prostitution - I'd say the vast majority of us think it ought to be legal. Certainly we won't care about sexual orientation. We don't care much about what sort of chemicals you've put into your body on your own volition either. Why should anybody care about things like that?

So, get that off your chest, we all need to do that on occasion, but after you're done, take a look around and realize that you're surrounded in most part by like minded individuals who accept you as you are.

Welcome home, and enjoy yourself. Eye-wink

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The only thing I'm going to

The only thing I'm going to say about Ron Paul is that I wish he was half as good an orator as he was a writer.

The man is eloquent and on the ball about a lot of issues. I certainly don't support him unequivocally, but he does speak out for the right things and for the right reasons. If he were more media friendly, I think he'd have gone a lot farther.

As it stands, a lot of what he says requires analytical analysis - which is why I think he appeals to programmers, engineers and other like minded folks who for the most part disregard how the message is sent and look at what has been said. That said, I am an engineer, and I consider myself a libertarian, and I do still disagree with Paul on a lot of things - but I will also say that he's put more thought and care into his ideas than any other candidate and that he's likely the least influenced by outside sources. That can be good or bad, depending on you POV.

I do think any Ron Paul haters ought to read this though:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul460.html

 

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Madam Speaker, I rise in opposition to H. Res. 1194 because it is dangerously interventionist and will likely lead to more rather than less violence in the Middle East.

I have noticed that this legislation reads eerily similar to a key clause in the 2002 Iraq war bill, H J Res 114, which authorized the use of force....."

Do read it. Even if you disagree with the man, it is clear he cares and pays attention - and actually reads what he's voting on.

 

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His opposition to the war in

His opposition to the war in Iraq is the one issue I agree with him on.


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Here, very few, if anybody is going to care about your past or what you or have done for a living. Nobody is going to care about prostitution - I'd say the vast majority of us think it ought to be legal. Certainly we won't care about sexual orientation. We don't care much about what sort of chemicals you've put into your body on your own volition either. Why should anybody care about things like that?

Well prostitution is known as the world's oldest profession yet it is one of the least respected professions.  Imagine going to a social gathering and mingling with a bunch of people.  Someone asks you:  what do you do for a living?  If you tell them the straight truth, there's a lot of possible consequences from speaking the truth that may earn you scorn, lack of respect, and damage your reputation with others.  That's why many whores live double lives.   If you say that you are a doctor, lawyer, banker or other esteemed profession, people treat you differently.  I want to change that and let honesty be a part of the business, and that's why I'm working with the organizations that I mentioned.

As for Ron Paul, I agree he lacks charisma and assertiveness that most people want in a leader.  His grandfatherly persona is a turn off.  However his ideas are powerful and it takes time to read up and study the basis for his principles.  I've spent enough time doing that and can have a debate about it, but this is my intro and I'm not going to start a fight just yet.

All the other candidates Clinton/Obama/McCain never address the issue about the value of the US dollar.  If no one else is going to address this here, I'll do it because it's the most powerful idea in an economic system.  Not examining monetary theory in economics is like not studying God in religion.  If the value of the US dollar keeps on going down (which it will in my view) then most americans will go for broke unless the protected themselves from inflation.

Most people that I've encountered have not asked the basic philosophical question:  What is money?  What did people do before money existed?

Hint: What Has Government Done to Our Money? by Murray N. Rothbard will blow ya mind.

Thanks for all the other comments. Smiling

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Do you happen to be skinny

Do you happen to be skinny from IG? If not, your intro is remarkably reminiscent of him.

Anyway, I do take quite a bit of criticism for my profession, despite the reasons why it is necessary at the present time. Honestly, I don't care that much. You can read some of my blog posts about sex, porn, stripping, feminism, etc. to get a better idea of where I stand on these issues.

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Lol! You find a site of

Lol! You find a site of freethinking atheists who agree with your religious beliefs and then launch straight in to a political debate!!
It masochism one of the deviant things you got into because you seem to want to dive in head first! Eye-wink

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...but you are a socialist.  Actually I find many atheists to be left-leaning or socialists.  More gov't spending for education, health care, etc, but where does all that money come from?  The gov't has to borrow it from a private central bank at interest putting it in debt and to pay the debt back it needs to borrow more money from the central bank putting it into debt slavery.  That's what's happening today with the national debt.  Eventually that drives the currency down as more paper money and credit is circulated in the economy.

The thing is, it's a necessary investment.
A free market needs certain things behind it in order to prosper.
People need education and health in order to make business.
Without all this in place, the market suffers.
The reason why we can't have the market absolutely free is because that would involve people being stepped on.
When people are so stepped on that they cannot survive through business, they are forced to find other ways to survive, ways that aren't good for the people around them.
It's a matter of both justice and social security that we ensure that the people on the 'bottom' have atleast a minimal fair standard of life.
Besides, it's hardly a land of opportunity if you were born into a family so under-priviledged that you didn't have the necessary health and education required for you to grow into a healthy competitor.

I believe in a free market to a degree, but certain government positive actions are necessary to secure such freedoms.

 

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I doubt the average atheist has taken the time to research Ron Paul's positions nor have they studied Austrian economics which would explain their ignorance or misunderstanding of how the economy works.  I know this because on another atheist forum there's a huge RP debate where the same objections are brought up.

http://ronpaullibrary.org/

-RR


I'll admit I'm not an economist, but I get the feeling that libertarians are no better - just working off idealized notions of their own.
If I remember right, America had a free market until the Wall Street crash required something new...

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Rev. Real wrote:I doubt the

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I doubt the average atheist has taken the time to research Ron Paul's positions nor have they studied Austrian economics which would explain their ignorance or misunderstanding of how the economy works.  I know this because on another atheist forum there's a huge RP debate where the same objections are brought up.

Not necessarily true - I'm a big fan of the Austrian school, and so are a lot of people on the site. Anyway, welcome!

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If I remember right, America had a free market until the Wall Street crash required something new...

Remember that history is written by the winners. That's not quite how it worked out, but it's an angle. Unemployment soared to 20% in the US after the market crash, and the "military-industrial complex" was apparently threatening centralized control at the same time. Naturally, those in power wished to remain in power, so they did what they could, and called it the New Deal. Reduced economic volatility looks great to people punished by economic volatility.

Just a different way of looking at it.

 

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I'm skinny on the

I'm skinny on the Atheistforums.  Same person.

The free market would work if it was across the board.  It should start out with the monetary unit.  If people want to trade in gold, silver, sea shells, cigarettes or whatever else in a free market that would be allowed.  That's not the case here where the US Mint and FBI will shut you down with mafioso tactics like they did with the Liberty Dollar (backed by gold/silver).  The central bankers have a monopoly on the money supply so before trying to figure out whether this or that will work in a free market, money has to be a free market concept first.

The best way to enlighten people is mass education.  I liked the solutions presented in the documentary Illuminati: Ring of Power. It's a long and covers many topics but the last end of it gets into real solutions Part 25.

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I'm skinny on the Atheistforums.  Same person.

Ahhh.  Remember you from there.  Funny how knowing that would've probably changed my response.

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  I liked the solutions presented in the documentary Illuminati: Ring of Power.

The topic of "secret societies" definitely piques my interest.  The lack of credible information is frustrating & there is alot of misinformation out there (perhaps some of it purposeful), but the idea of ruling classes withholding information from and surreptitiously manipulating the masses/economy is hardly new when you take a look at human history.  And I have a # of friends who are "Freemasons".  

I'd just hate to have a convo on the subject degrade into a David Icke "reptilian bloodline" type silliness.

 

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Yellow_Number_Five wrote:The

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The only thing I'm going to say about Ron Paul is that I wish he was half as good an orator as he was a writer.

The man is eloquent and on the ball about a lot of issues. I certainly don't support him unequivocally, but he does speak out for the right things and for the right reasons. If he were more media friendly, I think he'd have gone a lot farther.

As it stands, a lot of what he says requires analytical analysis - which is why I think he appeals to programmers, engineers and other like minded folks who for the most part disregard how the message is sent and look at what has been said. That said, I am an engineer, and I consider myself a libertarian, and I do still disagree with Paul on a lot of things - but I will also say that he's put more thought and care into his ideas than any other candidate and that he's likely the least influenced by outside sources. That can be good or bad, depending on you POV.

I do think any Ron Paul haters ought to read this though:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul460.html

 

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Madam Speaker, I rise in opposition to H. Res. 1194 because it is dangerously interventionist and will likely lead to more rather than less violence in the Middle East.

I have noticed that this legislation reads eerily similar to a key clause in the 2002 Iraq war bill, H J Res 114, which authorized the use of force....."

Do read it. Even if you disagree with the man, it is clear he cares and pays attention - and actually reads what he's voting on.

 

 

Mike,

I can't believe that you would even consider supporting somebody who has publicly proclaimed that he doesn't "believe in" evolution. Anybody that moronic does not deserve to be president.


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Well, to be fair, Kelly, all

Well, to be fair, Kelly, all I said is that I liked some of Paul's ideas and that I thought he writes well. I certainly haven't drank his Kool-Aid.

That said, if you could please point me to where the man denied evolution, you can be sure any esteem I hold for him would evaporate.

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http://www.shanktified.com/ar

http://www.shanktified.com/archives/ron-paul-campaign-on-evolution/

Ron Paul on Evolution:

"I think it's a theory.  The theory of evolution.  And I don't accept it.  As a theory."

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So long Mr.Paul. What a

So long Mr.Paul. What a shame, I was just starting to like the guy.


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kellym78 wrote:I can't

kellym78 wrote:

I can't believe that you would even consider supporting somebody who has publicly proclaimed that he doesn't "believe in" evolution. Anybody that moronic does not deserve to be president.

Gotta say: he makes a better economic activist than presidential candidate. Of course, I couldn't vote for him (being Canadian), but sadly, you're right. I don't think I could support the man on anything but economic issues.

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I wish the States' Rights

I wish the States' Rights folks would just call it Federalism, which is what they're really talking about. Nothing extremist about it either; it's one of the central organizing principles of the US Constitution.

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