I have some problems with the belief that an all knowing all all caring God would set human beings up to fail. He put the tree of knowledge of good and evil up knowing that ultimately our human curiosity would get the best of us.
A minor correction. Curiosity had nothing to do with the fall -- Satan, the only respectable character in the first few chapters of Genesis, explains the Tree of Knowledge very well, by explaining to Eve that if she eats the fruit, she will have knowledge of good and evil, and in that respect, be as god. HE IS NOT LYING HERE.
Call them on their bull.
I really am sorry if I offended anyone -- rereading my post, I see that I come across as a bit of an ass -- I dont mean to. I have questions because it is important to me to understand your faith. I DO NOT HATE CHRISTIANS -- my family is devout Roman Catholic, and I taught confirmation at St. Dennis in Diamond Bar, CA for 2 years (no bs -- ask around), I simply don't understand -- disregarding textual arguments -- Why does Satan need minions? Don't people choose evil of their own free will? I thought that this was the whole point of free will -- people choosing the hard right over the easy wrong. Why does evil need a facilitator? I understand Lucifer was cast out of heaven, but what kind of punnishment is being made LORD of the Damned? It is infamy, but it is still a leadership role.
*note to my readers: I have attempted to extricate myself from my usual fare of anti-judaic religious ranting...unsucessfully. If you are sick of my brow-beating, I am truely sorry that I am giving you more of the same bullshit in a different package. Unfortunately, since I have started my war on faith, and, more relevantly, my blog, religious belief has yet to take notice of my very valid, pro-human points and has yet to completely dissolve. Untill there is a more immediate threat to the continued existance, progress, and prosperity of humanity, expect MORE OF THE SAME OUT OF ME. That being said, here is my latest plea to the religious community that CONTROLLS our government and society through IRRATIONAL FEAR, BELIEF, AND FASCISM. Lack of God, help us all. --Louis.
Sheltering children from the diversity of ideas and ways of life is NOT an education -- the liberal arts aren't the main value of public education, indeed, those who wish to remain illiterate and uneducated will do so no matter what their backgroud...and more power to them; the world needs ditch-diggers.
The main value of public education is socialization. I was reading books by 4 years old, and could give a decent lecture on Jurrasic era flora and fauna by the time I was 8. Do you think that I could do this because of the bottom-of-the-barrel education I recieved in the LA unified school district? Of course not -- I was ON FIRE for knowledge, and spent HOURS in the libraries. When other kids were watching cartoons, I watched the Discovery Channel. While other kids played tag, I played chess. I am an autodidact, and subsiquently was very bored with my compulsory education. Everything moved too slow. Everyone needed 3 or 4 times longer than I for basic material, and none of them really cared how Carthage was destroyed, or what a fulcrum is, or how to properly format an essay.
A sperm cell is alive -- is birth-control then abortion by the millions?
A fetus is not a human being. A human being can survive the environment of earth on their own. They eat and digest raw food. They breath oxygen with their own lungs and abdominal muscles, and, most of all, THEY AREN'T DEPENDANT ON ANOTHER HUMAN BEING FOR ALL OF THESE PROCESSES.
If you want to get technical, a fetus is a PARASITE. It's relationship to it's host is a non-reciprocal one, consisting of taking nutrients and resources from the human it lives in, and offering nothing in return.
Look, just because I am pro-rights doesn't mean I am pro-abortion. I don't personally condone the practice, but I am NOT A FASCIST. I don't condone christianity, but do you see me trying to pass legislation to make it illegal to wear a cross? Of course not. I am a tolerant person, who understands that the sheep need their pacifier. That is the problem with you christians -- if you don't agree with something, you go on a fucking crusade to make sure NOBODY ever does it again. Homosexuality? Christians are pushing legislation that would make homosexuals second-class citizens, simply based on who they like to penetrate. Abortion? The church not only doesn't condone it, but christians are doing their damndest to make sure noone ever has an abortion ever again, under any circumstances. Euthenasia? Sorry, too bad you have terminal cancer, and you have been reduced to a shit and piss factory that lives in agony, you don't get to kill yourself. Why? Because of the bible.
I avoid using metaphoric non-entities like 'spiritual' as much as possible -- they connote nothing, and are well defined as such. By using terms like this to describe qualitative states/experiences, we lend credence to their LITERAL being, due to the fact that a large percent of those we are talking to (mistakenly) classify the 'spirit' as an actual, extant entity. We have plenty of language to use that does not evoke such non-sequitors and misguided inference on the part of the audience -- as a rule (and as a rational mind) avoid pitfalls such as 'spiritual'.
Mind you, this is when speaking in rational terms -- and as an atheist and rationalist, I tend to default to this mode of communication when expressing myself and particularly when broaching subject matter that may be mistakenly interpreted as literal.
Hey, Louis --
What do non religious people do in times of hardship?
Friends, Family, and personal strength.
Think about it:
When the christian is having a rough go of it, they pray for strength, wisdom, and guidance, and stick to their scruples...from the atheistic point of view, when they recieve any of the three affore-mentioned virtues, they accredit some deity with the gift -- when in reality, it was their own strength, wisdom, or guidance (or that of their friends or family) that brought them through.
Young Christians in ActionWrote:
Where is god when we hurt? Where is he when sleep wont come? Where is he when awaken in a hospital bed with pain that wont subside? He's right here! he hung on the gallows to prove once for all, with pierced hands and bloodstained face, that he's here, that he didnt create the hurt, but he came to take it away.
That is nice, but it isn't true.
When I get hurt, do you know who is there for me? My friends. My family. Doctors. Nurses. Paramedics.
People who actually save my life and give me support.
Why do they do this?
Alpha et Omega Posted:
Christians tend to single them [atheists] out, but why? Why not polytheists, deists, pantheists, etc.?
Or are these brilliant Christians clueless on religious philosophy and all they know is that there is a God and that's that? Most couldn't tell me why the Bible is any more right than the Quran, or why Christianity is more right than Hinduism or Buddhism. But when it comes to atheism? Get out of here, that's just stupid!
Seriously. Most of the arguments I see from Christians are redundant and idiotic. Even Protestant Vs. Catholic arguments are idiotic.
"Saints can't hear you!!!" like sound waves apply to Heaven. Or "the Pope isn't infallible!" yet they use a book deemed infallible by a past Pope and admit he was suddenly infallible ex cathedra at that time. But even though he can compile a whole infallible book, he doesn't know anything else ex cathedra.
KANSAS CITY, KS—As the debate over the teaching of evolution in public schools continues, a new controversy over the science curriculum arose Monday in this embattled Midwestern state. Scientists from the Evangelical Center For Faith-Based Reasoning are now asserting that the long-held "theory of gravity" is flawed, and they have responded to it with a new theory of Intelligent Falling.
"Things fall not because they are acted upon by some gravitational force, but because a higher intelligence, 'God' if you will, is pushing them down," said Gabriel Burdett, who holds degrees in education, applied Scripture, and physics from Oral Roberts University.