Mr. Shaw and the Vatican

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Some of you might appreciate this quote,

"All great truths begin as blasphemies" George Bernard Shaw

Vatican's postion relative to the rest of the world:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56612

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2056515.ece

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word spelling corrected

Sorry about the spelling mistake. 

 

"All great truths begin as blasphemies" George Bernard Shaw

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God and Science

The God in nature is scientifically varifiable.

 

The god that most people have a problem with is the false god.  The false god delivers pain, sorrow, hate, lust, poverty, conspiracies, and any other negative you can read about or be entertained by.

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He must also be the God of

He must also be the God of wicked poor spelling as well...

Re: God and Science

chazk wrote:

The God in nature is scientifically varifiable.

 

Could you expand on that statement?  I think you may be mistaken.

Thanks. 

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Unified Field

From a physicist’s view, Einstein discovered an underlying unity to everything in the universe.  He called it the unified field.

From natures point of view that's God with a capital "G"; and not the religious small "g" which represents the ego of the institution.

 

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corrected spelling

verifiable

Einstien certainly searched

Einstien certainly searched for a unified field, but there is still no satisfying uniftying theory.

Further, if such a thing is discovered, why call it god? Most definitions of god include a consciousness, or at least directed actions, and such a theory would not imply either.

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he did find it

Most sincere physicists are convinced that the Unified Field is a consciousness and that it is the same as the traditional God. Modern physicists have correlated their superficial scientific experiences with the practices of the ancient yogis. From time to time through out the ages people who are enlightened (established in the Unified Field) have taught man to meditate and shared their wisdom and knowledge with man. Since time tends to diffuse knowledge and wisdom, it gets lost, twisted and misinterpreted.

Particle physics research has shown there is a dynamic "magical" world within the Unified Field that is very different from the superficial world we are currently experiencing. Modern science has also shown people can directly experience the Unified Field regularly in their meditation. These experiences include bliss, happiness, all knowingness, infinite dynamism and so on. Since this is the source of creation, people also become more creative. There is mental clarity and physical healing. These are just some of the qualities people have experienced. The Unified Field is also the source from where all creation emerges. This has given mediators the experience of a connectedness to the universe. You can think of the human body as a multi-dimensional spaceship that can sense the entire range of creation, from the grossest to the finest to zero point, the Unified Field. How aware we are is the key to experiencing the full ranges of these experiences. We have these experiences everyday, but may not be aware of them.

Some physics.

http://www.mum.edu/videos/hagelin_ergs.html

http://www.mum.edu/videos/hagelin_space_time_foam.html

What happens to peoples brain waves when they experience the Unified Field.

http://www.mum.edu/videos/travis_transcending_brain.html

The experiences of the Unified Field are well known to the ancient sages.

http://www.mum.edu/videos/bevan_tao-te_ching.html

I hope these links are of some help. I choose these links because Transcendental Meditation is the most research meditation technique on the planet. From correlating meditators experiences with hard physics research scientists can get a good idea of what’s in the unified field.

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Your first statement of

Your first statement of your last post was a lie. I have studied physics extensively. I am a molecular biologist at present, but I suppose I could qualify as a physicist. You are attempting to make reference to a QM theory called Consciousness causes wavefunction collapse, which I hate. Please do not insult us by implying that we believe in magic.

Also, you would do well to note that Wheeler, the brainchild of the computing theories of quantum paradox solutions, despises New Age Mysticism and considers it of quacks and frauds. Just because we cannot know the definite state of the cat in the box and have to draw a wavefunction does not mean the cat is in a definite state. I think that CCC is saying not that the cat is not in a definite state without an observer, but instead that there is no way to know the definite state without an observer. But that's obvious!

which is why he concluded in quantum information theory instead of consciousness causes WF which says the only predicate for WF collapse is information expressed in the particles, not an observed. This gets around the problem of the QM solution you are attempting to reference. CCC is problematic because it leads to an infinite regress of conscious observers, possibly up to God himself. But that's just ridiculous in terms of parsimony. If you look up "breaking Occam's Razor", you'll find a picture of a person looking into a box with a cat.

For parsimony, put money on Wheeler's solution since in that picture, there are no wavefunctions to collapse, since it is impossible to isolate a system of information (For example, in the box with the cat, a single air molecule entering or escaping would collapse the WF). Far from collapsing the wavefunctions, there are no wavefunctions to collapse. Since all bodies capable of existing in multiple quantum states emit information, wavefunctions do not exist, and this is the epitome of parsimony.

And for review of the abuses to the quantum theory you committed, you might want to read this thread here:

http://www.rationalresponders.com/noncognitivist_arguments_part_ii_the_matter_information_conjecture_is_a_crisis_for_the_existence...

Also, theoretical physics has not discovered a "magical world" they have discovered hyperspace.

The universe is composed of a sheet of space-time, as shown:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/22/Spacetime_curvature.png

Space and time are inseparable, they cannot be broken from each other. One cannot exist without the other, they are one and the same. On the surface of the space time continuum are bodies of matter which distort the field of the continuum. Space time is a Euclidean “Cartesian theatre” with a pseudo-Reinmann manifold in which events take place. This is seemingly problematic, since every GUT theory predicts that the fundamental composition of matter, that is, if we could peer into the heart of the quark, is the same substance as space time itself, on the order of the Planck length.

The most open question in QM and theoretical physics today is the number of dimensions needed to describe the universe. For this, we turn to the physics concept of branes. Where a brane describes a dimension, and the unfortunately named p-brane denotes the number of spatial dimensions. To find the number of dimension to describe an object is simply {p+1) since we always add one time dimension. There are many dimensions that may be needed to explain the universe. The space time continuum in which events take place is a 3-brane, with three spatial dimensions and one time dimension, at least as traditionally described. Some theories predict it is a membrane, which would imply the universe is holographic.

In the competing GUT theories, physical matter is of the same substance as the space-time continuum, except that it exists in a different number of dimensions, hence they are different. And this is what gives the distinction between matter and the space time continuum in which events take place. The number of dimensions. This is an open question seeing as almost all theories describe physical matter as having compact dimensions. M-Theory predicts 11 dimensions, another form of string theory (the least plausible) predicts 26.

http://ftp.kermit-project.org/cu/record/23/18/11c.gif

As we can see from this picture, physical matter, as predicted at the fundamental level, while of the same substance as spacetime, exists in more dimensions, and as such, is still different from spacetime. String theory requires many tightly curled up dimensions that exist only at the subatomic level (you can see them here in this drawing).

http://physicsweb.org/objects/world/12/12/20/pw-12-12-20fig1.jpg

In this topological model, the fundamental unit of the particle is the 10-brane (with an extra dimension to accommodate time). Only three of these dimensions will be noticeable at the macroscopic world.

The spacetime continuum is a four dimensional absolute Euclidean referential, a kind of sheet on the surface which events take place. These events are orchestrated by bodies of matter, which exist in a number of dimensions which remains open. While for the space time continuum we have only to choose between two competing theories, the popular 3-brane and the new membrane (holographic universe theory), the number of dimensions of physical matter is much more open.

In short, we can view the space-time continuum as a 4D stage on which matter acts. The fundamental unit of both is the brane, a unit of mathematical topology which dictates dimensional frame of reference. The space time continuum can either have three or four dimensions. As for matter, it is much more open. We have predictions for 10, 11 and 26 and several others of lesser renown. Despite both being comprised of branes, matter is still different from space-time since it has many more branes. The addition of extra branes means that physical matter suddenly becomes an object which influences the 3-brane space time continuum, rather than the space-time continuum itself. However, despite both being comprised of branes, to equate them would be a clear fallacy of composition.

Supernatural/spiritual by its own accord is decribred as atemporal. This is totally antithetical to the notion of matter from branes. All branes must have a time dimension. Even a 0-brane has a time dimension. Any object of branes obeys the laws of naturalism, the laws of the quantum at the subatomic level and the laws of Neweton at the macroscopic level. To say that "supernatural" is a "different kind" of matter can only be described as a cop-out, as such a notion is in and of itself contradictory to the concept of supernaturalism.

So, in the last two schematics, one being a hyperbolic quantum plot, the other being an isomeric quantum schematic, we are presented with a theoretical insight into quanum compact dimensions. Being that you hold that the soul may be present in these higher dimensions, could you kindly point to the strings and tell me where the soul is located?

Also, in addition to QM, I studied neurology, and have become convinced that consciousness is not a magical energy, but rather a process of neurological grounding, which I showed here:

http://www.rationalresponders.com/vitalism_immaterialism_and_christian_dualism_have_long_since_been_debunked_response

Please stop abusing QM. I, and my colleagues, utterly despise New Age mystic nonsense. Consciousness is not "energy". Energy is a physics measure word used to denote a scalar field regarding the conserved property of process in material objects . Unified Field Theories are used to unify gravity with electromagnetism and nuclear bonding, to describe reality with a single equation, and hyperspace dimensions are used to denote quantum compaction, not to please New Age mystics. Please do not insult the physics community by implying that we are some cheap-shot group of drug-taking hippies. John Wheeler himself, the man who came up with the theory which you so cling to, personally requested that paraphyscology be removed from the AAAS and listed as a psuedoscience.

 

"Physical reality” isn’t some arbitrary demarcation. It is defined in terms of what we can systematically investigate, directly or not, by means of our senses. It is preposterous to assert that the process of systematic scientific reasoning arbitrarily excludes “non-physical explanations” because the very notion of “non-physical explanation” is contradictory.

-Me

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chazk's picture

N'ice', but

Your academic security blanket comfortably covers your ignorance. A common trait amongst most academics including your religious counterparts. That’s why the world is in such a grotesque mess. Something very important is missing from your education.

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Argumentum ad nauseam

Argumentum ad nauseam fallacy. You claim I am ignorant, yet have hitherto to actually supplant that with evidence and genuine critique. You did not respond to a single one of my points. I suspect that went so far over your head it would analogous to a space shuttle zooming over an ant. I, on the other hand, have destroyed you, unless you would kindly reverse that by offering genuine critique of what I wrote, instead of criticizing me on baseless ad hominid grounds in three lines. Thus far, you have not made a single valid point. Whining does not constitute a valid point.

Honestly, sometimes I don't know why I bother.

"Physical reality” isn’t some arbitrary demarcation. It is defined in terms of what we can systematically investigate, directly or not, by means of our senses. It is preposterous to assert that the process of systematic scientific reasoning arbitrarily excludes “non-physical explanations” because the very notion of “non-physical explanation” is contradictory.

-Me

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