Pissed off and need to rant

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Pissed off and need to rant

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I'm pissed. It seems I am trying to scale a giant wall of ignorance. And it is fighting back tooth and nail. As of late, various treatises I have taken hours to write and years of study to cumulate the necessary knowledge to write are being "answered" by three-line silliness and uneducated whining. It is the apex of stupidity to argue on an issue that you know you don't know anything about. For example, you never see me in the Biblical Errancy forums or on arguments or threads regarding scripture. I'll happily and honestly admit that I don't know jack-fucking-shit about scripture, Biblical mythology, or ancient history. I am incredibly ignorant of the Bible as a book. It is one of the few Western classics that I have not fully read. So when I see Rook arguing with Christians about Jesus mysticism or arguing over Biblical figures and passages, I just shrug shoulders and say "I don't know what the fuck they're talking about. I'll just concede ignorance on the subject and let that be that". In 1500 hundred posts on this forum, I have quoted the bible twice...in the same post. I know my place on this forum. I am a scientist and stick to science, with some side-dabbling in philosophy. We are all of us interested in different things, all of us versed in different areas, all of us with different aspirations. Some of us are interested in science, others in history, others in art, or music, or philosophy, or language...but we cannot be experts in all. There are times when we must simply say "I cannot argue in this particular field of endeavor". So if one day I decided to stroll into Rook's debates and started shooting my mouth like a drunken sailor, I should rightly be called a half-assed buffoon.

So, why is it that someone who probably still hasn't outgrown acne suddenly decides "I am an expert in quantum chrondrodynamics" or "I am better versed in biomolecular kinetics than the guy who studies it for a living" or "I can dismiss twelve pages of physics in three lines". I think I am damaging my teeth by grinding them so hard.

Now, don't get me wrong. I said argue, not ask. It's fine to ask questions, in fact, its fantastic. Daily, I ask more questions than I answer, and judge my success accordingly. For example, if you look at the Proteomics essay of mine on KeWK before I locked it and moved it to Compilations, I was actually giving my expertise for free to Rev_Devilin. It was fantastic. He was doing precisely what I wanted, which was to ask lots of questions. Always ask questions. But if you know that you don't know, don't pretend you know. You look...stupid. Ask questions, and learn. Actually study the field of endeavor you are arguing in, and then armed with this knowledge, give your arguments a baptism of fire. But DON'T try to argue without having done that. Copying off apologetics websites is not "arguing", by the way.

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"Physical reality” isn’t some arbitrary demarcation. It is defined in terms of what we can systematically investigate, directly or not, by means of our senses. It is preposterous to assert that the process of systematic scientific reasoning arbitrarily excludes “non-physical explanations” because the very notion of “non-physical explanation” is contradictory.

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quick question - did you
  1. quick question - did you intend to put this post in this forum?

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    Why, should it be in

    Why, should it be in FA?

"Physical reality” isn’t some arbitrary demarcation. It is defined in terms of what we can systematically investigate, directly or not, by means of our senses. It is preposterous to assert that the process of systematic scientific reasoning arbitrarily excludes “non-physical explanations” because the very notion of “non-physical explanation” is contradictory.

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Possibly, depends on who you

Possibly, depends on who you want to read it. VIP if you only want members to read it, here if you want everyone to read it. I just wasn't sure who your intended audience was and so I wanted to be sure.


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Sometimes a short answer to

Sometimes a short answer to a wordy question is sufficient.


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The Patrician

The Patrician wrote:
Sometimes a short answer to a wordy question is sufficient.

Well done, Havelock. Smiling

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I just opened a can of what

I just opened a can of what we used to call "Alabama Whoop-Ass" on a theist who rubbed me completely the wrong way over something similar.  If you're on a website for debating theism/atheism, it's really bad form to think toss your opinion off and then respond to valid criticism with "Oh, I don't need to answer to you.  God is my judge."  Basically, you're saying, "I'm not interested in your facts, mister.  I'm just telling you what I believe.  You're a bully for pointing out the flaws in my argument."

I feel you on this one, deluded.  You notice I don't get into evolution, cosmology, or microbiology much.  My thing is logic and critical thinking.  I know a good bit about sociology, a bit about psychology, and enough history to get myself in trouble.  But, if I make a point, I've done my homework.  I've researched, cross checked, and sourced the information I'm presenting.  For someone to just dismiss that, with the excuse, "I don't need to learn.  I already know the answer,"  Geez.... How much more bat guano can you heap onto the pile?

 

 

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