Noah in the Koran

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Noah in the Koran
Lo! We sent Noah unto his people (saying): Warn thy people ere the painful doom come unto them. 1:1
He said: O my people! Lo! I am a plain warner unto you 71:2
(Bidding you): Serve Allah and keep your duty unto Him and obey me, 71:3 
That He may forgive you somewhat of your sins and respite you to an appointed term. Lo! the term of Allah, when it cometh, cannot be delayed, if ye but knew. 71:4 
He said: My Lord! Lo! I have called unto my people night and day 71:5 
But all my calling doth but add to their repugnance; 71:6 
And lo! whenever I call unto them that Thou mayst pardon them they thrust their fingers in their ears and cover themselves with their garments and persist (in their refusal) and magnify themselves in pride. 71:7 

And lo! I have called unto them aloud, 71:8

 

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And lo! I have made public proclamation unto them, and I have appealed to them in private. 71:9 
And I have said: Seek pardon of your Lord. Lo! He was ever Forgiving. 71:10 
He will let loose the sky for you in plenteous rain, 71:11 
And will help you with wealth and sons, and will assign unto you Gardens and will assign unto you rivers. 71:12 
What aileth you that ye hope not toward Allah for dignity 71:13 
When He created you by (divers) stages ? 71:14 
See ye not how Allah hath created seven heavens in harmony, 71:15 
And hath made the moon a light therein, and made the sun a lamp ? 71:16
And Allah hath caused you to grow as a growth from the earth, 71:17
And afterward He maketh you return thereto, and He will bring you forth again, a (new) forthbringing. 71:18 
And Allah hath made the earth a wide expanse for you 71:19 
That ye may thread the valley-ways thereof. 71:20 
Noah said: My Lord! Lo! they have disobeyed me and followed one whose wealth and children increase him in naught save ruin; 71:21 
And they have plotted a mighty plot, 71:22 
And they have said: Forsake not your gods. Forsake not Wadd, nor Suwa', nor Yaghuth and Ya'uq and Nasr. 71:23 
And they have led many astray, and Thou increasest the wrong-doers in naught save error. 71:24 
Because of their sins they were drowned, then made to enter a Fire. And they found they had no helpers in place of Allah. 71:25 
And Noah said: My Lord! Leave not one of the disbelievers in the land. 71:26 
If Thou shouldst leave them, they will mislead Thy slaves and will beget none save lewd ingrates. 71:27 
My Lord! Forgive me and my parents and him who entereth my house believing, and believing men and believing women, and increase not the wrong-doers in aught save ruin71:28

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Just click the verse numbers

Just click the verse numbers togo to the sab site Sad


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I'm more interested in a YE

I'm more interested in a YE christian response to this, since the noah tale is impossible irregardless of how many "holy" books it is in.

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This isn't surprising at

This isn't surprising at all considering most of the stories about creation and early history in the Koran were taken from the Bible. Mohammed likened the Jewish texts and the Bible as unfinished work. He said something along the lines of the Jews being given the task and not finishing properly, then the Christians had a go - they did much better but still wasn't perfect. Then the angel Gabriel appeared to Mohammed when he was in a cave and told him the whole of the Koran which he somehow memorised (although in the tales of his followers he was sometimes ill and forgot... yeah, right), and which was later written down like 300 years later on the order of the Caliphate by gathering individual bits and pieces of it scribbled on bones and leather or memorised by thousands of different people.

In the end he does a much poorer job of telling the stories when he stole/made everything up than any of the older tellings. Besides, wasn't the flood story originally taken from the Mesopotamian flood stories like that in the Epic of Gilgamesh...

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Rave wrote: This isn't

Rave wrote:

This isn't surprising at all considering most of the stories about creation and early history in the Koran were taken from the Bible. Mohammed likened the Jewish texts and the Bible as unfinished work. He said something along the lines of the Jews being given the task and not finishing properly, then the Christians had a go - they did much better but still wasn't perfect. Then the angel Gabriel appeared to Mohammed when he was in a cave and told him the whole of the Koran which he somehow memorised (although in the tales of his followers he was sometimes ill and forgot... yeah, right), and which was later written down like 300 years later on the order of the Caliphate by gathering individual bits and pieces of it scribbled on bones and leather or memorised by thousands of different people.

In the end he does a much poorer job of telling the stories when he stole/made everything up than any of the older tellings. Besides, wasn't the flood story originally taken from the Mesopotamian flood stories like that in the Epic of Gilgamesh...

 

Noahs son dies in chapter 11


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Dave_G wrote: Noahs son

Dave_G wrote:
Noahs son dies in chapter 11

What do you mean? How does that relate to what I posted?  

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It dosn't but its

It dosn't but its interesting.


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Ah, ok Well, as I said

Ah, ok Smiling

Well, as I said before there are lots of things in the Koran that are 'stolen' from the Old Testament. Mohammed liked to go one step further on some things though, like in addition to giving Eve and all women pain in childbirth Allah said "It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent." But I must point out (before someone disputes me on it) that this quote of Allah was made by Zayd, Mohammed's son (adopted) and isn't in the Koran but in the hadith Tabari I:280 (the hadith are regarded by Muslims as having almost as much authority and holy value as the Koran itself).

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