Man Gets 14 Days and is Registered as a Sex-Offender ...
Offline For writing 10 personal (not shared) stories whose dominant characteristic is the description, for a sexual purpose, of sexual activity with a person under the age of 18.
Full story can be found here.
So, he only gets charged because his stories got found. He gets the minimum sentence, never mind the fact that he's now a registered sex-offender. He's been deemed to be at very low risk for 're-offending' (which must mean they don't think he'll write down what he's thinking again or won't think the thoughts he wrote down again) and is an even lower threat to any real people, but I can't imagine how they figured that out. So, what exactly is the man's crime? I understand that the code describes the mere act of possessing the written material to be a crime, but who's the victim of the crime? The imagined people? Is this a thought crime? What justice is served in charging and sentencing this man? Can anyone think of a legitimate justification for making something like this a crime or for charging this man for this crime?
BigUniverse wrote,
"Well the things that happen less often are more likely to be the result of the supper natural. A thing like loosing my keys in the morning is not likely supper natural, but finding a thousand dollars or meeting a celebrity might be."
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He lost his job as well.
I'm really tired of the imposed morality crap. Stories? Really? Because someone was under 18 in a story he wrote, and had sex?
How many authors of teenage fiction books should be arrested now?
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Ah, but theirs is art. He could have argued along those lines. He chose not to. Probably too costly and probably hard to prove considering his stories. But, really, what is the big difference in thinking it and writing it? I can only imagine that it's because one could be found by another person. Never mind the sharing part, would it make a difference, hypothetically, if he had shared the stories via their written form or via recitation from memory? These laws are so bizarre and don't seem to actually do anything for society.
BigUniverse wrote,
"Well the things that happen less often are more likely to be the result of the supper natural. A thing like loosing my keys in the morning is not likely supper natural, but finding a thousand dollars or meeting a celebrity might be."
Valid questions Thomathy. However, I am getting hung up on the fact that he did all of his work on a public computer and added a copy of his resume to the same folder. When such cases (not automatically sexual ones) come up, it really begs for a law where people can be prosecuted for criminal stupidity. Seriously, this is as bad as writing a hold-up note on the back of one of your own checks and signing the front so that there is no doubt of whom the police need to arrest.
If the dude needed to get his rocks off so badly, why not just go to the public library, surf for some porn then drop trou and go for the gold right there where the whole world can see.
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Not to mention age of consent is different from one nation to another, and even if he sold it purely as sexual romance or even just as sex stories it wouldn't be a crime in large parts of the world..yeah. What is "art" frequently is different from one person to the next. Laws like this make that dividing line a sheer cliff.
I remember hearing of a story not too long ago where someone was arrested in TN as a sex offender because they had an image of a woman being fucked by a dog. The story explained that TN passed it through as a crime against nature, and a sex offense as a result. I'm wondering now if that is going to apply to stories of that as well, because the bestselling book Wicked contained bestiality AND underage sex. It did well as a broadway show too.
Also, there is the recent story of the Virginia man that is going to be a sex offender for being naked in his home. Someone saw him through a window at 5:30 in the morning when he got up to make a cup of coffee.
I have a friend who is a registered sex offender from streaking on the college campus, inside the male dorm, from their room to the bathroom, when they were drunk.
Really, I think this stuff is out of hand. More and more things keep being added to it under the guise of "think of the children!!11oneone". Who is thinking of the people who lose their jobs, and have a ruined reputation for life because of some retarded law that...bans compilations of words, or images of things that are questionable if anyone was a victim?
I understand that serial rapists may be a problem, but doesn't it undermine the point of the whole thing when the sex offender list is being filled with people that really didn't do anything? When you move to a neighborhood where multiple neighbors are listed as sex offenders, and you don't know if it was for anything serious or not? It could of been from urinating drunk in an alley. It could of been from raping 30 preteens. It could of been from a 19 year old dating a 17 year old. Or it could of been from possessing a teenage sex story.
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...a question regarding morality ? perhaps EXC will drop by to offer his unique perspective.
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I just pulled up the registry, and there are more than 300 sex offenders listed within one mile of me.
Of course I don't know what they were sex offenders for.
Kind of fucking pointless, isn't it? They have their images, names, and addresses there.
I don't know if they did anything violent towards anyone else or not, or if they were caught with their pants down somewhere.
There is a girl down the road on this list. She looks maybe 19. The list does jack.
It has this legend:
offense against children
red Offender Home
red Offender Work
rape
yellow Offender Home
white Offender Work
sexual battery
blue Offender Home
blue Offender Work
other offense
green Offender Home
green Offender Work
And almost all of them are red or green. There is one blue and one yellow.
Honestly, this is incredibly vague. It makes me want to assume the worst for everyone if I didn't know better.
Edit: They list convictions too, in addition to the place they live, and age of conviction. So it is a bit more useful in that regard. I still feel it tarnishes people's reputations though for life, for issues that I don't think should be qualified as an "offenses".
Edit2: Okay, it is useless again. The third person I clicked on has "carnal knowledge" as the conviction, whose target person is listed as between 13 and 17, when they were 18.
That range is ridiculous. So if that person had "carnal knowledge" with a 17 year old, there they are. This happened in 2001, and the person spent 3 months in a correctional facility, and are on this list for life.
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This is fucking ridiculous. I'm writing letters to every editor and MP near me. Next you'll be jailed for writing about smoking, or walking across the grass. So what if this dumb fuck was too stupid to defend himself, this sets an absurd precedent. The judge, prosecution, defense, cops, and employees need to be lined up and shot, one by fucking one.
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Damn the place where thinking of sex is a crime. Damn the people who won't copy the stories for later reading in privacy, but call the police instead. Really, this is getting hysteric, I wouldn't expect such a craziness in Canada. Oh, the world will be so much better if we deny the existence of fucking. Apparently, mr. judge was born from a big diamond which grew on his parents' back yard and he fell out of it fully dressed, but his genitals grew out a day before wedding.
I'd like to know what he was thinking when he examined the corpus delicti
Local laws are also interesting. The age of consent is 15, so after 15 sex is legal. (it is also legal if they both are under 15) It's a curious thing, that porno is forbidden until 18. So young people can have sex, but if they make a video of that, they can't watch it
I just remember, I saw several sex offenders two weeks ago, when I went by car to Germany. They all stopped on a highway side and urinated. Oh, I feel so much sexually offended, that I will suffer by nightmares and bed wetting for next 30 years! The only thing that will cure me is suing someone for a horrendous amount of money.
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Actually, that isn't true about watching the video they made.
Possession of it is a crime in itself, as well as recording of it. If you gave it to the other person you had sex with, then it is distribution as well.
Multiple sex crimes, right there.
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Found someone on the list for incest.
So far out of maybe 30-40 people, I've only seen 3 of them convicted for a crime against the 6-13 or 0-5 age bracket, and none of them were physical involvement.
Most of these are listed as sexual assault from one adult to another. Which can be verbal, visual, or anything that causes unwanted sexual attention.
How nice and vague. Almost all of them seem to be listed as "home" too.
Also, this is interesting. I found someone with failure to prevent sex. Apparently, if you fail to prevent your child from having sex while knowing about it, and they are 16 or younger, it is a felony and makes you a sex offender.
I had sex first when I was 14, so I guess if I told one of my parents and they failed to prevent it, they would be sex offenders and on this list. Nice.
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This is nothing new to me, and its rather disturbing to know that i could be added to a sex offenders list for reading Berserk, granted i would only be registered for all of about 7 seconds (the time it would take me to choke the life from the judge, before being shot in court)
Correct me, but isnt this the same thing that happened to the owners of a gay bookstore ( ... o_O? ) in vancouver? a good 10years ago?
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I'm noticing a trend that most of the people on this list as offenses against children were convicted when they were 18-21, and their "victims" are in the 13-17 age bracket, or none are listed.
The last 6 girls I looked at fit into this criteria, and the last 4 or 5 guys too.
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If only he had joined the priesthood - this would never have been a problem. It probably would have escaped notice.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
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You beat me to it. I was going to say that this man appears to have been convicted of a thought-crime.
The age of consent in Canada is 16 right? And wasn't it 14 a few years ago? So what is the problem with him writing fiction about sex with people under 18 when he can legally right now have sex with 16 year olds in his country? This guy is Canadian right?
"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."
British General Charles Napier while in India
What the fuck is this!?! Um, I was under the impression that you could only be convicted for child pornography if there were actually children involved.
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
Think of the children! wont somebody please think of the children!
Legality flys out the window when children are involved (and recently, women & black people)
What Would Kharn Do?
And, yes, this appears to be a thought crime. It really, really looks like it's a thought crime.
BigUniverse wrote,
"Well the things that happen less often are more likely to be the result of the supper natural. A thing like loosing my keys in the morning is not likely supper natural, but finding a thousand dollars or meeting a celebrity might be."
Ditto, the people in his writing are still 14 because they don't age! Why? Because they're not real!
God, this pisses me off.
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
Don't go writing things now.
Jack was nimble, Jack was quick, Jack made Jill suck his dick.
Jill is 17.
WHAT NOW?
Theism is why we can't have nice things.
*gasp*
Sex offender! You're going to jail.
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
Clockcat gets a few weeks vacation with Bubba, loses his job, is forever marked as a sex offender towards minors... and a 25,000$ fine if im not mistaken?
OH! no access to the internet and cellphones... quite a pickle you got yourself into Clock, i wonder if i can be charged with the same for copy/quoting you? o_O
What Would Kharn Do?
Wait, you have to provide Jack's age too, so we know that Jack was too old for Jill.
Jack was nimble, Jack was quick, Jack made Jill suck his dick.
Jill is 17.
Jack is 20.
There. Now I'm a sex offender.
Edit: No, wait a sec? Jack doesn't have to older to be older than Jill? The writing just has to have someone that's underage? So, in this piece, Jack could be 17, and I'd still be a sex offender?
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
You win the prize butterbattle!
In fact, anyone could be a sex-offender, we don't discriminate based on age here. How about 14 year olds sending images of themselves to other 14 year olds? Well, that makes them sex offenders thrice over, first for the photography, next for the possession and third for distribution.
BigUniverse wrote,
"Well the things that happen less often are more likely to be the result of the supper natural. A thing like loosing my keys in the morning is not likely supper natural, but finding a thousand dollars or meeting a celebrity might be."
Actually.....I think we've already convicted people of being sex offenders for exactly that......
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
You win again! YAY!
I want to thank ClockCat for illustrating how stupid it really is.
If writing about sex is so evil, what about writing of other crimes? If the guy would write about, let's say, murders or thefts, he would be classified as a detective story writer. Does Agatha Christie belong to jail? Of course, we could argue that in the detective stories the murderer gets caught and punished, so there's a moral underline. But let's consider a shitload of films and books with hundreds of brutally killed human beings by the main hero. That's action, criminalistic, horror and historical genres, is that enough to shut down the Hollywood? Thou shalt not kill, anyone remembers?
You see, this is a typical case of double standards and hypocrisy. Killing is OK, but love in practice isn't. It curiously resembles the Church practices, when crusades were blessed by God, but sexuality was strictly under control.
Beings who deserve worship don't demand it. Beings who demand worship don't deserve it.
In 1996, eighty-eight 12-yr.-olds got married in the state of Kentucky with parental consent.
In 1997, they passed a minimum age requirement because there was no law on the books.
In 1998, naturally, there were thousands of cases of child-molestation compared to the hundreds before that. Kentucky's legal budget skyrocketed by 21% over the next 2 years.
Ten years later, Kentucky has fewer incidents than the ten states surrounding it. Some laws are good for society.
Recently 15 miles from me, a man was arrested for having sex with a horse. Yes. A horse.
It was not the first time this man was in possession of horse-fucking video either. He was a horse-fucker in Seattle, Washington, before moving to Tennessee (Home of the Tennessee Walking Horse and a holiday called 'Mule Day')
In Seattle, a co-horse-fucker of this man died after making one of the videos. Yes. The horse literally fucked him to death.
Also arrested in connection was a woman videotaped fucking a dog. Not her first weiner (pun intended. It was a Dachshund).
The videos were distributed. No animals were harmed(well, maybe the dachshund. the woman was ugly).
Just giving some info. My opinion is that both guys (horse-fucker and story-writer) are lowlifes. Send story-writer to Japan to write manga scripts and send horse-fucker to a stud farm to be the new semen harvester. Just keep them both the hell away from my family.
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I don't disagree that he's off his rocker. Though at the same time these laws have put a lot of kids behind bars for engaging in perfectly natural activities. But what scares me is that writing about a crime has become a crime. I can't even articulate the level of facsism this entails.
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tbh im not sure what to say about this, why is writing about a crime a crime? If i write about stabing someone am i a crimanal? It doesn't quite add up. I mean what was he actually charged with? Sure he probably is a sick fuck but that isn't a crime in itself.
I can understand geting charged of all those other silly crimes like streaking, there they actually did something, i don't think they should go on some sex offenders registry or anything but it isn't what would be called decent. But here he didn't really do anything he wrote a story.... maybe it was because the person who found it got offended or something who knows. Im pretty sure i don't know all the facts.
edit
after rereading the first post it seems he was arested for possetion. Stil comes rather close to a thought crime. The crime doesn't seem to be his writing the story but rather not destroying what he wrote immediately after writing it. I understand the law but seems a little silly all the same atleast in this situation..
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Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend.
No animal shall wear clothes.
No animal shall sleep in a bed.
No animal shall drink alcohol.
No animal shall kill any other animal.
All animals are equal.
If possessing written works describing sex among minors is illegal in Canada, does that mean that owning "Romeo and Julliet" is legal? Romeo was 14, Juliet was 13. They had sex. Sounds like illegal contraband to me. Aren't there thousands of examples of literature that describe minors having sex?
And this guy wrote about it back when the age of consent was really low. So he couldn't have been prosecuted for the act of writing this. It would have to be the current possession of these stories that was the problem. Much like the current possession of a story about a 13 year old and a 14 year old having sex and commiting suicide.
"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."
British General Charles Napier while in India
I bet they find a stash of porn under his bed and that he's a high risk for sexual assualt.
Eh......Shakespeare didn't say how old Romeo was, but most sources guess his age to be at least 16 or 17. Some put him as old as 18-21. He's a rapist.
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
Ewww. I thought that they were both stupid little kids. I didn't realize that one was a little girl and one was an adult pedophile. In another sense though, it does make the example work better since super creepy literature like that is widely available and required reading in school. Hell, my high school made me read multiple books that feature underaged sex. 'Multiple' only means three in this case, but that's still madatory reading about underaged sex. And I know that Canadian schools probably require similar readings from their students.
This law is just so stupid. Are their appeals courts in Canada that overturn retarded convictions like this?
"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."
British General Charles Napier while in India
The defence generally has to ask for an appeal to start one. I'd almost be tempted to go to 4chan, ask for some stories, and turn myself in to the local police station just to set shit straight, but the "fame" I'd get in the process decides that issue.
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Man, sex laws are so counter-intuitive and stupid.
And I say that as a father, so I even have my own precious snowflake to protect.
I can't even think of anything coherent to say because this crap just makes me too angry.
Everything makes more sense now that I've stopped believing.