Well shit man, say something, instead of being a fancy word processor. Are you god or not, as you need to define g-o-d . Come on , what is god? That is the ultimate question , isn't it? Tell us what is god , please.

  Is this not god ??? ,

http://livefromcern.web.cern.ch/livefromcern/antimatter/index.html

 I don't rationalize life in dualistic terms. You are funny as you say nothing Arj .... you are a linguistic wimp, another shit sophist , who says nothing .... you are lost as you play your language game of nothings ....

Sophism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophists

You do not believe in God. 

Are you an atheist?

Wikipedia- Atheism, as an explicit position, can be either the affirmation of the nonexistence of gods, or the rejection of theism. It is also defined more broadly as an absence of belief in deities, or nontheism.

Wiktionary- Absence of belief in the existence of God or gods. The belief that there are no gods, the denial of the existence of God or gods.

Dictionary.com- 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God. 2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.

American Heritage Dictionary- Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods. The doctrine that there is no God or gods.

Wordnet- 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God "ant: theism" 2. a lack of belief in the existence of God or gods

Webster's Revised Unabridged- 1. The disbelief or denial of the existence of a God, or supreme intelligent Being. 2. Godlessness.

Webster's Third International- 1 a: disbelief in the existence of God or any other deity b: the doctrine that there is neither God nor any other deity 2: godlessness esp. in conduct : ungodliness, wickedness.

answers.com- Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods. The doctrine that there is no God or gods.

http://atheism.about.com/od/definitionofatheism/a/definition.htm

http://atheism.about.com/od/atheismquestions/a/whatisatheism.htm

http://www.rationalresponders.com/am_i_agnostic_or_atheist

http://www.rationalresponders.com/agnosticism_and_its_many_misconceptions 

Oxford English Dictionary- Disbelief in, or denial of, the existence of a God. Also, Disregard of duty to God, godlessness (practical atheism).

Canadian Oxford Dictionary- disbelief in the existence of God or god

Merriam-Webster Online- 1 archaic : ungodliness , wickedness 2 a: a disbelief in the existence of deity b: the doctrine that there is no deity

http://www.evilbible.com/Definition_of_Atheism_1.htm

Virtually all of the best sources use the word "disbelief," Oxford, Wikipedia, Websters, American Heritage, etc, um.......

dis- not

believe- to have confidence, conviction or faith in the truth of something.

Seems pretty obvious to me. Yet, some sources stipulate that disbelief is a complete rejection and a positive assertion.

http://dictionary.die.net/disbelief

But, on what basis? Maybe we need to look at the prefix "dis."  

Dislike is not like. Disapprove is not approve. Disagree. Discontent. Dishonest. These are not positive assertions.

Of course, you can also also refer to disappear, which is the opposite of appear. Or, you can, disassemble, which is the opposite of assemble.

Obviously, with all these contradicting sources, there's some subjectivity in the interpretation here. 

Yet, if the dictionaries were applying the definition of "opposite" instead of "not," then disbelief and denial would mean the same thing. So, in this case, why do dictionaries say, denial or disbelief? Clearly, the most reputable dictionaries use two terms, "disbelief," and "denial," because these are not the same. Furthermore, if atheism is only 100% denial, what word would be use for the middle ground, agnosticism? We would have to change the definition of agnosticism as well. Therefore, I think we can conclude that it is more logical and it is the official definition that atheism can be disbelief-weak or denial-strong, 

There was a small debate with another member, I think "Spin," about the meaning of atheism.

Apparently, everything requires some clarification. Stuff is complicated. 

Ergo, Arj, you are an atheist. The dictionaries don't care whether you like the negative connotations of the word or not.  

On the other hand, the meaning of a word is whatever we make it. So, if you're really pissed, you can join all the people who are trying to argue that atheism="the religious doctrine that there are no gods."

1. We are Atheists, in that we do not believe in any Gods.

2. Most of us could also be described as Freethinkers, because we share the general attitude to dogma and authority that is part of being a Freethinker.

Nowhere did I say or imply that "we are JUST free thinkers", I said most of us are ALSO freethinkers, as well as being Atheists.

WTF has any of that got to do with "not expecting everyone to respect our beliefs"???????

None of my justification for why I feel that what science shows us about the Universe is most consistent with non supernatural explanations is based on assuming one way or another that other people are irrational.

WTF has any of that got to do with "not expecting everyone to respect our beliefs"???????

Bob, you are a lost cause. Y in the hell would you use "strong" atheism with someone who wasn't even debating supernatural beliefs in the first place.

Nowadays, freethinker is commonly used for atheists, but this isn't necessarily always the case. I wouldn't say that freethinker means more than atheism, but, rather, that they simply say different things. If you are open-minded and free from dogma and fundamentalist thinking, then you're a thinker. If you don't believe in God, then you're an atheist. 

Do you not like the term atheism? If so, why?

From 'new eve' the website/blog/forum that Arj founded:

"In this forum, I do things a little differently. Unlike Atheism, Christian forums, and other fanatical philosophical/religious forums and chat rooms, you do not have to debate in a hostile environment where people spew irrational hate and rage. In fact, this behavior is strictly prohibited here. Secondly, you do not have to prove your case through scientific data, quotes from dead philosophers/presidents/scientists, fallible scripture or countless self-help books in which the author proclaims to be an "enlightened being with the 'magic antidote'". Lastly, you will not be ostracized simply because you have a different point of view."

*This speaks to the OP’s thought process and why continuing to discuss the subject matter with them will end in everyone involved getting nowhere.

 ***EDIT (Submitted before adding)***

Arj, I think you are a "good" guy, and realize my real "anger" is directed at the general superstitious world view, which I have no tolerance for, and will not appease it. But I am tolerant of people as I basically understand our innate human nature of flawed thinking. I always try to be a pacifist, but shit, there is war and starvation etc this day.

I also admit I am a radical materialist atheist preacher trying to change the world view and the very definition of g-o-d. I like the atheistic buddha gnosis story jesus , and curse the xain jesus and god of abraham separatism thinking.

Reincarnation just means recycling as thermodynamics, and many progressive buddhist's have dropped the word all together, because of the silly folklore attached to it. Alan Watts is a mentor of mine.

I am an impatient agent of the Paradigm Shift.

http://www.taketheleap.com/define.html

In 1962, Thomas Kuhn wrote The Structure of Scientific Revolution, and fathered, defined and popularized the concept of "paradigm shift". Kuhn argues that scientific advancement is not evolutionary, but rather is a "series of peaceful interludes punctuated by intellectually violent revolutions", and in those revolutions "one conceptual world view is replaced by another". ( more

     Thanks for mentioning sexologist atheist Albert Ellis, who's views on sex and religion progressed ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Ellis#Work_as_sexologist_and_sex_and_love_researcher

  Anyway, thanks for your posts and welcome to this xlint place of learning, RRS. Get "free er" ....  

Thanks Renee , that says alot about our caring new appeasing friend, Arj.

  Arj, read this, from RRS Hamby, and give us your thoughts,

Religious Moderation

http://www.rationalresponders.com/religious_moderation

   Hey RRS Mods, why was the Arj site blocked? Just curious.

Meaning, people aren't permitted to proselytize with ANY of those sources, Butter. I said you don't HAVE to....I did not say you CAN'T.... just because you have a thought that might not be proven by scientific data doesn't mean you have to STOP thinking it. Like some people assume here. And it works the other way around too. Just because you have a belief that's not substantiated by Scripture doesn't mean you have to STOP believing either. That's the beauty of freethought, non-dualism, AND objectivity. Basically, I'm encouraging a more self-awakening/self-realization process (like Albert Ellis through REBT) not a debate forum.  

And I wanted to add that that is what I was looking for when I came here. A place that was truly open to self discovery. Where you might show up with the wrong beliefs or doubts that you were too insecure/scared to share...but you can come here and just talk about it (Not bully or debate or intimidate) and see where rationalizing it goes. How do you get from point A to point B? You walk (you know what I mean for those who like to take everything literally). But first you have to be willing AND permitted to start on that journey. It takes both of those things to make it work. That's what the thread about dualism was all about. You can think your better then one person because of this and that degree and the other person will think you are better then him too...but in actuality that's not the case when it came time to swim (Life is like that. PERIOD.).....I call that the entrapment of dualism. It feels good to think your (intelligence, IQ, beliefs, material possessions) makes you better then the next person, above everyone else. That's y people don't want to let that rationality go but then you are blind sighted by a bruised ego and a dose of humility, in an instant, when you come to find yourself standing next to someone who's two feet taller then you. Practice objectivity and this can be avoided.

After a few hit and misses and not finding all that I wanted in a forum I just decided to create my own.... Thus, New Eve was born. LOL.

Arj, I don't remember calling you an enemy, but if I did, I would have only meant in a general way, as meaning dogmatic idol worship is all our enemy, or to appease such ideas.  As to entertaining ideas "not proven" is fine with me.

 I've enjoyed your kindness, and reading your ideas, tho I disagree with some of them, such as "afterlife" .... Reincarnation???

I like a lot of Zen Buddhism, Alan Watts stuff. Here's a couple vids, I post a lot, you might enjoy.

"Wisdom of the Buddha" , 8 mins.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTsb-woP3jI
  

Carl Sagan - "Pale Blue Dot" , 3 min   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M

 I think the more useful version is "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". This in fact can be false, depending on the proposition being considered. For example,  the concept of an omni-present interventionist God.

IOW if the proposition being argued is something which is supposed to affect many aspects of normal life on many occasions, then absence of evidence for such intervention is indeed evidence that the proposition is false in some respects at least.

So when I accuse you of murder people should just take my word for it?  I don't have any proof, but why let that stop me or the police.  We should act now as if it were true because you could kill again. 

That guy had a gun pointed at me, so I killed him in self defense... What do you mean he doesn't have a gun.  Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence?

To be human is to be born screaming in shock, to then live a life in awe, knowing pain and joy, and that death awaits, which unfortunately can make for a sense of guilt, fear, despair, and so the confusion, as we communicate our plight, stuck in this awe, we seek to understand.

It is the on going battle we all share, life itself, the awe, which I call gawed. Yes, in the spirit of wanting world cooperation, I do yell in frustration. Yet I seek no forgiveness for my human-ness, but I do seek the truth of what all existence is, rejecting wishful thinking of an afterlife, as I dream and speculate of how we all could live this life of awe NOW, most peacefully. The children are my greatest mentors.

My humble thanks buddha Bob, as the truly prolific poster you are.

Dang, when will the perfect metaphor be written? Umm, hey, heck, we are all the metaphor ....   

Life is a wonderful thing in and of itself - why mess it up by adding a spirit world?

 .... which reminds me. I should have wrote, "wish of", instead of "spirit of".

 Hey, Arj, "a boat load of emotion" .... yeah life on spaceship earth.

Only if you wish it to be.

I am curious too, LOL ... Let's never assume.