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Hello from me
Posted on: June 12, 2008 - 7:36pm
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Hello from me
I just watched the ABC news debate (with Kirk Cameron and the other idiot) and wanted to sign up and lend my moral support to RRS. I am not yet an Atheist, however I am leaning that way from Agnostic. I hope I can be of some use around here. Clever comment here
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Hahaha...
The other idiot... is ''Banana Man'', and as sarcastic as that sounds... its the truth >.>
What Would Kharn Do?
Ray Comfort is the other idiot; that comedy team of Comfort & Cameron has created more atheists since they teamed up then all the efforts of RRS combined.
I'm from near Toronto Canada where be you hail from?
"Very funny Scotty; now beam down our clothes."
VEGETARIAN: Ancient Hindu word for "lousy hunter"
If man was formed from dirt, why is there still dirt?
yet? What does this mean?
Welcome!
The brainwashing effect of so many years has been difficult to break. I've gone through Christian, Jehovah's witness, Baptist. I have been slowly clearing my mind. I was a deist not that long ago and when I posed a question on another board (the same question Sam Harris asked in one of his books - How can God allow a little girl to be kidnapped, raped, and killed?) the answers made me change my mind. I don't know at this point if there is a God, however, if he stands by and does nothing he is as bad as the rapist. I went Agnostic because there are still thoughts and feelings I have that I can't explain.
The rest of the info on me:
Male, 42 years old, married, computer tech, live near Los Angeles, Ca.
Clever comment here
Welcome aboard, Crabbybastard. I hope you stick around and chat on the forums—we don't have enough crabby bastards, I think
I noticed that you describe yourself as an agnostic with an atheistic leaning. I think you might've been misled about the proper definitions of those terms, as they are frequently misdefined by theists and even self-described agnostics. I think you would benefit from reading these articles when you have the time to learn about the true meaning of the terms:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheist
http://atheism.about.com/od/aboutagnosticism/a/atheism.htm
Most of the members on this forum are agnostic atheists, and even some of the theists here (such as Cpt_pineapple above) are agnostic as well. (Cpt_pineapple's response was about your use of the words atheist and agnostic. Just letting you know, if you were confused by the response.)
You'll fit right in on these forums though, I'm sure of it
Stultior stulto fuisti, qui tabellis crederes!
Welcome to the hizzle!
Very nice welcome VP, thanks so much.
I should have defined my terminology better, sorry. I went from knowing that God exsists ( as a Deist ) to not knowing for sure (Agnostic). I'm leaning toward Atheist meaning not believing in a God / Gods at all. I guess I'm not yet willing to place the Atheist label on myself.
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Thank you very much Mattshizzle and I hope I wont offend you when I say (from reading some of your posts) you really need to get laid.
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I don't think someone with crabby in their name should give sex advice
I thought Banana Man was eric?
Organised religion is the ultimate form of blasphemy.
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Welcome!
There is in fact a good piece on agnosticism and atheism at this very site: http://www.rationalresponders.com/am_i_agnostic_or_atheist
Have a look and see what you think.
I'm sure you'll fit right in and have a great time.I understand where you're coming from.After I left fundamental christianity, I first explored wicca, then called myself agnostic. Eventually I got to atheist.As you'll see from the link, it's not a big jump at all.
While we're sharing links,feel free to go read my story and see if you relate. http://freethoughtpedia.com/wiki/Loc%27s_deconversion
Enjoy!
Psalm 14:1 "the fool hath said in his heart there is a God"-From a 1763 misprinted edition of the bible
Argument from Sadism: Theist presents argument in a wall of text with no punctuation and wrong spelling. Atheist cannot read and is forced to concede.
Thanks Loc, I enjoyed the read. I guess the terms I've used have the definition I choose. I do agree that I am (funny that I still hesitate while writing this) an Agnostic Atheist in many ways. Wait, I'm not sure I should use that label. I guess I should do a little more soul searching (pardon the theist terms please) before I try to label myself. Maybe I should just say "Hi, I'm human"?
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That was a good laugh, Thanks. However, it refers to attitude, not STD.
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Indeed,many people on this site will agree the word atheist shouldn't exist.Like Harris says, we don't have words for people who don't believe in astrology,fairies,bigfoot etc. But for now,theism is so prevalent we actually have to out ourselves as people who don't believe in a magical sky god.
BTW,I noticed my second link was clikcy so I fixed it
Psalm 14:1 "the fool hath said in his heart there is a God"-From a 1763 misprinted edition of the bible
Argument from Sadism: Theist presents argument in a wall of text with no punctuation and wrong spelling. Atheist cannot read and is forced to concede.
Welcome to the forums you CrabbyBastard!
I'm an agnostic atheist too! Formerly I was a Southern Baptist until the age of around 30.
"I am an atheist, thank God." -Oriana Fallaci
Welcome! There's plenty of crabby fun to be had here.
Welcome Bastard. Is the reason you don't want the 'label' yet :
1. You still have rational doubts. A rational reason to be agnostic.
2. Fear of what may happen after death and the torture 'Gawd' may do to you if you're an atheist. Taking Pascal's wager.
3. Don't want to outed to family, friends and associates. Don't want the atheist social stigma.
Taxation is the price we pay for failing to build a civilized society. The higher the tax level, the greater the failure. A centrally planned totalitarian state represents a complete defeat for the civilized world, while a totally voluntary society represents its ultimate success. --Mark Skousen
I always think of myself as a hard core atheist. I don't really have patience for theist's, or any others. Welcome abroad Crabbybastard.
Thanks.
I think number one is close. two and three don't apply at all. I don't believe in the bible or any other "holy" books and I don't care about what people think (I'm 6'5 250lbs and into martial arts - most people don't argue with me).
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Care to share with us your rational reasons to have doubt? Which god do you have doubts about? Why make the distinction between gods?
I'd say I'm an agnostic on life being created by other beings in another dimension or planet or life being transported to earth from other solar systems. We could be living in something like the Matrix. If this is the case, our 'creators' obviously never intervene in this world, so why worry about them. The "holy" books are pure myth. Is this close to what you believe?
Taxation is the price we pay for failing to build a civilized society. The higher the tax level, the greater the failure. A centrally planned totalitarian state represents a complete defeat for the civilized world, while a totally voluntary society represents its ultimate success. --Mark Skousen
Hey Crabby! Always good to see a new face.
You say your married, is your wife also on here? Is she Atheist or ??
Where's my grammar check when I need it?
Not to worry - it's not a teste err test. She hates to talk about religion (one of the reasons I'm here, I can't seem to find anyone that wants to talk). She is an Atheist as far as I know, meaning she doesn't go either way. I doubt she thinks about it at all.
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Nope, don't believe in being seeded, brought, or the Matrix. What it boils down to is that I want to know what started evolution. How did it come to be. The force that began the process. What is life?
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Here's my favourite summary:
Very informative. As a matter of fact, I did a lot of thinking over the weekend and came to a decision. Atheism is the only logical choice. Until further evicence presents itself (IE God slaps me) I am going to go with Atheist.
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That's great to hear.It's not really that big a deal afterwards is it?I sort of just slid from 'agnostic' to atheist easily.
I hope you'll be sticking around here,at this rate we'll have you cooking kittens is no time
I know what you mean about having no one to debate with. Whenever I try debate with my christian friends(and they pretty much all are) it doesn't get far. They apparently have the creator of the universe on their side,but they never want to prove it to me.Go figure.
Psalm 14:1 "the fool hath said in his heart there is a God"-From a 1763 misprinted edition of the bible
Argument from Sadism: Theist presents argument in a wall of text with no punctuation and wrong spelling. Atheist cannot read and is forced to concede.
I don't know about you, but I felt massive relief after that same realization. I was watching this video of Sam Harris, and just started laughing. Hopefully it give you the same amusement:
Saint Will: no gyration without funkstification.
fabulae! nil satis firmi video quam ob rem accipere hunc mi expediat metum. - Terence
As one Crabby Bastard to another, the Politically Correct term is 'Curmudgeon'...
Welcome to rationality...
LC >;-}>
Christianity: A disgusting middle eastern blood cult, based in human sacrifice, with sacraments of cannibalism and vampirism, whose highest icon is of a near naked man hanging in torment from a device of torture.
I listened to another of his letures this morning on my way to work. I am a member of his website forums as well. Although I have to say that the person that really got me started down this road was Chris Hitchens.
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I like Curmudgeon, but, if you emphasize the bastard part it takes on a whole new meaning.
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Congratulations. Now that Satan has entered you, we can invite you to our next 'Baby Eating Ritual'.
Taxation is the price we pay for failing to build a civilized society. The higher the tax level, the greater the failure. A centrally planned totalitarian state represents a complete defeat for the civilized world, while a totally voluntary society represents its ultimate success. --Mark Skousen
Human babies or kittens? I get confused as to what bad things Atheists do. So, now that I have enbraced atheism...
Where is my handbook full of evil stuff I can now do?
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Don't you read the objections of our detractors? It's all in here:
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maybe if this sig is witty, someone will love me.
Less violence in that book than the bible.
But I still think I'll pass.
Couldn't be - not enough sex and eating of kittens.
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Sorry just human, Hamby and Matt S. are cat lovers so I don't think they'd go along.
I think Greydon stole the only handbook copy we kept. Damn atheist thieves.
Taxation is the price we pay for failing to build a civilized society. The higher the tax level, the greater the failure. A centrally planned totalitarian state represents a complete defeat for the civilized world, while a totally voluntary society represents its ultimate success. --Mark Skousen
Ok, how about puppies and goldfish? Are those ok?
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No, I like dogs. Only goldfish crackers. We're pretty much just into Theist babies. We have a hard time finding any babies espousing a Theist belief in order to eat.
Taxation is the price we pay for failing to build a civilized society. The higher the tax level, the greater the failure. A centrally planned totalitarian state represents a complete defeat for the civilized world, while a totally voluntary society represents its ultimate success. --Mark Skousen
Sorry, I didn't know where else to ask and I am being lazy (because I'm busy?). Is the Blasphemy challenge still going on? If I take the challenge do I still get the DVD? If I get a video of myself with Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort taking the challenge do I get to see Kellym78 in a bikini?
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Crabby, to help insure you don't slip backwards, just maybe these simple thoughts will be of some use. LOL
The "Force", the unknown reason(s) for all existence, is basically called "God". Therefore g o d is everything, therefore you are 100% god, therefore no "Higher Other", No Master, all is ONE. Therefore GOD is Atheist as you, the "highest" / "holy" wisdom demands you are "Atheist".
I = ME , as story Moses said I am what I am, no god before ME, no idols.
Story Jesus said, I am one with the Cosmos ( father ) I am god as you, "ye are god(s) .....
Take these good words into yourself, and share this "saving", "good word", the message of "ONENESS" ....
Keep the AWE, be a scientist/philosopher/atheist preacher teacher/ lover
~ This has been a G 'A W E' D message ~
I often send this Atheist "Angel". I think she will inspire you ....
* "Wisdom of the Buddha" 8 min, *
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTsb-woP3jI
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Atheism Books.