What does life mean?

Sage_Override's picture

Maybe its because my station in life right now has hit its lowest possible point in recent memory.  Maybe its because my future is terrifyingly uncertain and downright scary in the present.  Hell, maybe its because everyone I seem to have ever known is doing even a little better than me despite my best endeavors.  Sure, argue semantics about things could be worse and its all a matter of perspective as to how you see" doing better in life."  It's all relative, sure, but as time goes on, I realize that all my ideals have gotten me in a stagnant reality.  What's it matter if I don't believe in a god?  I'm alienated and looked at differently by those that do believe seeing a missing piece of the human condition being forcibly removed like a faulty computer chip by a mad doctor.  Of course those that don't believe see what I've done as a necessary recall to rectify bloatware, but the end game of that has made little impact on our overall social evolution; news stories and current global conflicts remind me of that daily.  What's it matter if I don't believe in the economy?  Everyone loves the almighty dollar and it won't go away, at least not some form of it, until the human race is eventually erased by time.  What's it matter if I believe in a social redesign or resource based economy?  The masses of denial, instant gratification and self-preservation is too pervasive to warrant a full on mass awakening as naive as I am to think that and those that join my thought process are too weak to cause a dramatic shove towards their goals.  It is all futility at its finest.

 

These might seem like the musings of a pessimist or someone that just has sour grapes to smash into bitter wine as a representation to his own disparaged circumstances.  You may also argue that you have gone through similar bouts of feeling the same way.  If that's true, then does it ever end?  Does life have to be one giant hand-grip on the side of a mountain?  Why must some of us slip, fall and land hard breaking the bones we need to get to the top or break our back on a jagged cliff below so that we can never be where we want to go?  Has the mountain finally had enough of my existence and my fall is inevitable?  Will I ever be able to glance over the horizon and see something better from the peak? 

 

I've been hanging on for thirty years come May and all I know is my climbing gear is wearing thin and my grip is slowly slipping. 

"When the majority believes in what is false, the truth becomes a quest." - Me

Vastet's picture

I have no faith in society

I have no faith in society as it is. I see the corruption and stupidity dripping from the skyscrapers. I have no power to change it as yet, though I hope that will change someday. Until then I say fuck it and take advantage whenever I can. I enjoy life as much as possible, and am not concerned with how it'll end. I have to fight just hard enough to be able to enjoy myself, without trying so hard that it perpetuates the flaws nor breaks me. It isn't always fun. Sometimes it seems everything is going to shit, and fast. But I keep going. The shit usually stops falling and I have time to clean myself up and find some enjoyment before it starts raining again.

There is no meaning to any of it beyond the meaning you make for yourself. If you push too hard it'll eat you alive. If you don't push hard enough you'll end up on the street drinking listerine. But if you push the right amount you can ignore most things most of the time, and have a relatively good life.

You won't fall until you let go.

Proud Canadian, Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.

harleysportster's picture

Series of ups and downs have

 Seires of ups and downs like that have happened to me off and on for my whole life. Sometimes, when things get just plain old boring, I am content with that. Boring at times is nice. Perhaps that is older age (37) talking, or its just the fact that I too have gone through periods where it seems that massive amounts of crap keep hitting the fan and almost feel like some sort of  entity is literally out to get me. 

But then again, I think it is only natural when you go through rough spots to feel pessimistic (hell I am a pessimist for the most part) and somewhat down. But like Vastet was saying, you simply find ways to make it through. 

There have been times when I literally wanted to scream at passerby " Can I just get one fucking break?" in one week and the next week feel completely different. No I am not rich, successful and hate most of the daily grind, but at this time period, I am presently content. 

There is really no solution to offer other than the lame sounding " Hang in there " but the truth of the matter is, while things may seem suckass at the present moment, one thing is certain is that they eventually change. 

“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno

Sage_Override's picture

Yeah, I hear you guys and

Yeah, I hear you guys and thanks for the words of support/understanding.  Seems like my purpose has grinded to a halt as of late and I'm going nuts inside my own skin no matter what I try to do to quell the downtrodden demeanors.  I've always battled with depression and a thyroid disorder doesn't help, but I'm trying.  Seems like that's all I ever do and get nowhere.  I hope things do change.  I mean, I have a girlfriend, but I just don't want to bring her down to my own personal hell, either.  It's a cluster fuck in my life right now, guys.

"When the majority believes in what is false, the truth becomes a quest." - Me

Atheistextremist's picture

Hi Sage

 

Hope things get better for you. Something that works for me when I get blue is exercise - lots of it - running helps me.

Also finding one single thing to make a success of - a relationship, personal integrity, a piece of work right in front of me, self honesty, whatever it might be. 

Not knowing your situation makes this a hip-shot so tell me to fuck off if you like - but you've been around here long enough to think rationally. Apply rational thinking to your own life, scrupulously. 

When your inner voice starts endlessly putting you down, it's employing an ad hominem fallacy - an irrational argument that cannot be true. Only ever listen to rational self judgements. 

No rational argument can be angry, insulting, emotional, anxious, appeal to your history, or appeal to the popular opinion of people who don't know you. Nor can it appeal to fear of consequences such as a repeat of failures or disappointments.

Most my own life-long self hatreds and inner tirades are the sub routines of childhood and utterly irrational. On closer examination they disappear like smoke. 

Further, Sage, if you need to talk to a professional, don't wait. Get help. I know from experience that an outsider's quiet perspective can help you re-imagine the self image that defines those expectations that shape a life. 

Take care, mate. 

 

"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck

Atheistextremist's picture

I do have

 

many moments of cyncism and pessimism. The environment. Religious maniacs. The inequality of our system. If I think about it, the best things are still the ones you don't pay for. 

Family, friends, hugs, nature, wondering about meaning. Life does have subjective meaning - the meaning you give it - as banal as that sounds.  

 

"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck

Philosophicus's picture

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 I battle depression too, but I'm doing a lot better now thanks to a barrage of 20 blood tests that my new psychiatrist gave me. They found out from one of the tests that I can't process folic acid. They gave me a prescription that allows folic acid to be taken up by my brain and I couldn't believe the results. I went from down in the dumps to feeling great for two months, then back to normal levels where I am now. Now it's mostly my environment that needs improvement.

Brian37's picture

Ultimately "all this" is a

Ultimately "all this" is a crap shoot. Some get through life doing better than others some have it worse. I'm having  rough time right now, don't know if it will get better or worse at this point. But either way it still all ends up with death sooner or later. The species will go on without me and eventually the planet and sun will die as well. Nothing will stop that.

Having said that, even with being down on my luck, I still find good in life. I have an awesome mother who still helps me out. I have family and friends who love me. It is hard to think about the positives when you are not doing so well, but all you can do is get through it.

 

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digitalbeachbum's picture

No matter how shitty it

No matter how shitty it gets, sit back and look for the best of the worst. If you had desires which are out of reach, lower the bar. Take smaller steps until you get back on your feet. Know that there are people in a similar situation or worse situation than you, that what you have could be a lot worse.

I know most of what I have said is typical cliche stuff but I find it to be true. I find that when I use these tools to focus on what is really important that I can find happiness. Once I get rid of those lies in my head, the pain goes away.

 

ProzacDeathWish's picture

digitalbeachbum wrote:Know

digitalbeachbum wrote:

Know that there are people in a similar situation or worse situation than you, that what you have could be a lot worse.

 

 

 

    Speaking as a person who is genetically predisposed towards depression I agree with everything that you said.  I even agree with the above quote that I've taken taken from your post because technically it is true to remind someone that things could be worse.   I just always found little encouragement from being reminded of it. 

   My analogy is two people suffering together in the fires of Hell when one person says "Well, it COULD be hotter down here"   

Patrick is an edgy edgelord.

ProzacDeathWish's picture

      Anyway, Sage I

 

 

    Anyway, Sage I hope things turn around for you sooner rather than later.

Patrick is an edgy edgelord.

digitalbeachbum's picture

ProzacDeathWish wrote:    

ProzacDeathWish wrote:

    Speaking as a person who is genetically predisposed towards depression I agree with everything that you said.  I even agree with the above quote that I've taken taken from your post because technically it is true to remind someone that things could be worse.   I just always found little encouragement from being reminded of it. 

   My analogy is two people suffering together in the fires of Hell when one person says "Well, it COULD be hotter down here"   

All I need to do is remind myself that there are people in N. Korea prison camps who are in a living hell, the pretty much all my problems become insignificant.

JesusNEVERexisted's picture

 The meaning of life is

 The meaning of life is below:

You are born. You live some years, less than 125 for sure, then you die! 

THE END!  

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Brian37's picture

JesusNEVERexisted

JesusNEVERexisted wrote:

 The meaning of life is below:

You are born. You live some years, less than 125 for sure, then you die! 

THE END!  

That is the part most of our species does not get. We were nothing before we were born and we will be nothing after we die. That does not mean that we cannot try to enjoy the finite time we have while we have it. We all will have ups and downs to verying degrees, some individuals will do better than others, but in the end everyone's time runs out.

"We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and nonbelievers."Obama
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iwbiek's picture

we're nothing while we live

we're nothing while we live too. everything is nothing from one point of view or another, including the universe itself. nothing is not necessarily a synonym of insignificant.

"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
--Hunter S. Thompson

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I feel ya

How timely it is that I just logged on and came across your post Sage. I've been sitting here staring at the wall for most of the evening with my eyes welling up.

You couldn't have come much closer to putting how I feel in words. My life is so dry that i haven't even wanted to hear myself talk, much less post in this forum for quite a long time.

Most of the time I walk in a limbo of not caring of i die and wishing I was dead. I have lost almost all interest in life. It's simply just become cumbersome to me.

I can barely find the willl to complain, and I'm ashamed to because my day to day life is not very hard.

I have only one friend-my girlfriend, and like you I try not to bring her down with me. I've tried to put on my happy face for a long time, but I don't think anyone buys it anymore. Proof being all my old pals don't even want to be around me anymore.

Some days are better than others, but my girl says my depression shows most of the time. She attributes it to the fact that my whole family died in a relativley close amount of time. But the fact is I don't miss a single one of them now. That may sound terrible, but I don't. In fact i reflect back on my life and i resent the hell out of them, mostly my mother who fed me the poison of her god.

I agree with almost everyting you all have posted here, except the part about thinking about how so many others have it allot worse. That does nothing at all to make me feel better. Just as knowing some poor bastard somewhere is starving doesn't make my french fries taste better because I should appreciate them more, or be thankful that i have them to eat.

Of course if I were to be held prisoner in some Cambodian jungle prison camp and returned back here, It would change my perspective, at least for a long while.

Not the uplifting words you might have wanted to hear, but nobody is blowing sunshine up my ass either.

However, you can find comfort in some things in life. Whatever it is you do to get away form your mind, make the most of it, and make effort to do it more often. I only have fishing and the companionship of my dogs and my woman. And learning more about science is always a good thing.

And as, I believe it was Extreme, who mentioned exercise, It does wonders. I go to the gym about 5 days a week. It's a great release and of course good health helps the brain. This a a battle for me because my many ailments limit me, but I do what I can.

I'm 41 now and maybe this is just a stage in life, but it sure is dragging out to eternity. In the meantime I don't know what else to do. Guess I'll keep fishing. Maybe you should too.

Good Luck Bud.

"...but truth is a point of view, and so it is changeable. And to rule by fettering the mind through fear of punishment in another world is just as base as to use force." -Hypatia

Brian37's picture

iwbiek wrote:we're nothing

iwbiek wrote:
we're nothing while we live too. everything is nothing from one point of view or another, including the universe itself. nothing is not necessarily a synonym of insignificant.

Nope, sorry. Arguing woo philosophy does not change scientific reality and in scientific reality "all this" is meaningless long term. Short term we are significant to ourselves, mainily that which we are familure with, locally and tribally. But long term, this planet has had 5 mass extinctions and all life will eventually die in any case. The planet will die and our sun will die and the universe will go on with no record of us at all.

You are engauging in fluff woo overconflating our existence. We are NOT nothing while we are alive. We are material made of atoms. But we are nothing in regards to being an imporant part of "all this".

"We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and nonbelievers."Obama
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iwbiek's picture

Brian37 wrote:iwbiek

Brian37 wrote:

iwbiek wrote:
we're nothing while we live too. everything is nothing from one point of view or another, including the universe itself. nothing is not necessarily a synonym of insignificant.

Nope, sorry. Arguing woo philosophy does not change scientific reality and in scientific reality "all this" is meaningless long term. Short term we are significant to ourselves, mainily that which we are familure with, locally and tribally. But long term, this planet has had 5 mass extinctions and all life will eventually die in any case. The planet will die and our sun will die and the universe will go on with no record of us at all.

You are engauging in fluff woo overconflating our existence. We are NOT nothing while we are alive. We are material made of atoms. But we are nothing in regards to being an imporant part of "all this".




anything your tiny mind cannot wrap itself around you automatically brand as "woo." i was simply pointing out the subjectivity of the terms you use. "nothing" is a purely subjective term.


ultimately, according to folks like hawking, the universe will perish too. so, by your reasoning (and i use that term VEEERY loosely wherever you're concerned), doesn't that also make the universe "meaningless long term"? so what exactly is "something"? what has "meaning"? if there is no "meaning" (as i have always contended), then it is YOU who are engaging in "woo" by bringing up imaginary concepts. if there is no "something" to compare "nothing" to, then both terms lose meaning in this context. i'm sorry if linguistics seems like "woo" to you--i suppose a flashlight would seem like "woo" to a 15th-century mongol, so i guess we're dealing with a similar situation here.


now fuck off. go read some "hypatia."

"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
--Hunter S. Thompson

Vastet's picture

lol

lol

Proud Canadian, Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.