Welcome crocaduck. I love the name.

Welcome to the forum, crocaduck.

This would be accepting ignorance and not responding rationally. I hope this won't be the average response on this forum.

Actions require a timeline in which to exist.

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That's it.  All that matter we can see going into black holes is building up to the point where it explodes and becomes another universe on whatever is on the other side of the black hole.  I love it!  It seems more plausable then the invisable man theory to me.  I just might have to use that in the future.

How is there not a time line? Here.

Step 1: Matter is sucked up by black hole
Step 2: Matter is crushed and condensed into a singularity by gravity
Step 3: Matter builds up to the point of bursting.
Step 4: Boom.
Step 5: Matter now expands into "the other side of the black hole/another dimension/another universe/wherever"

I fail to see what you are trying to get at. I'm sure that whatever I'm proposing has probably been debunked by science, but it makes a whole hell of a lot more sense than an invisible sky-daddy. I'm no scientist, I'm a graphic designer so once again, my understanding of astrophysics isn't my strong point in the very least.

A one liner does not a debate make, Mr. Crocaduck. Elaborate, perhaps?

We could go around in circles, but I will say that I don't know where a black hole comes from. But we do know they exist. Science is working on that. Can time be created? I think that time is just something that "exists".

Also, by your same reasoning, time had to exist for a creator to exist to start time. Placing a mystical creator is selling short the amazing thing that our universe is.

Prove it.

That said a whole lot of nothing. You know that right? Your talking about a line with two arrows at the end. Your saying there is no beginning to anything just universe to universe?

I look forward to reading your response.

"Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't time a man made concept?  I thought it was simply a tool used for measurement. "

Yes, absolutely.  What I had tried to do (and not succeeded) was make time a vessel in which we all exist. By making it a tangible container I was trying to say that only an intelligent creator created this vessel (time) and then everything within that vessel. I don’t think I can prove that scientifically (or philosophically).

I am really glad I jumped in this post head first because I am intrigued about the black hole / big bang theory. I read a lot about them in Wikipedia which cites a lot of well sourced materials.

They way I understand it is as follows…

After matter is sucked in they go through a singularity where there the gravitational force reaches infinity. Matter that makes it through the singularity is spaghettified. Yeah, spaghettification is a real word…

How does this work with the black hole expelling matter from universe to universe?

This is all really very fascinating to me because we didn’t actually find black holes until 2000 CE.

 

 

I read somewhere that it is theorized that when matter is being pulled into a black hole that matter smears, yet to the matter it stays whole.  I didn't read to indeptly about this so I don't fully understand it, but it stated if you have two poeple, one watching the black hole and one being pulled into the black hole, that the one watching would see the one being pulled literally smear across the event horizon, while the person being pulled in would perceive themselves as whole and the person watching would look like a smear.  I don't know how this works nor how this would affect a niverse to universe to  universe theory, but now I'm going to have to research this to try to better understand it.

Black hole is caused by gravity when it brings to much matter together, it colapses in on itself. Creating a black hole. Then more matter gets sucked in until it creates a big bang after gaining a certain amount of mass known as critical mass.(The big bang we know of had 185 billion galaxies worth of the stuff compacted into a millionth the size of a photon area) 

Well, atleast we have evidence supporting our theories.

Matter can neither be created nor destroyed, so when you take 185 billion galaxies worth of stuff and compress it down into a singularity with virtually no size, that's some serious power building up.  Could you imagine how much force is required to do that?  Then when it gets to a point that it can't handle anymore more pressure, I would assume it would have to go....BANG, a really really BIG BANG.

Yeah, you got me, I assume.  But, I'm not a scientist, I couldn't begin to tell you the physics behind the big bang theory, but I'm not trying to talk to you as a scientist, I'm trying to talk to you has an intelligent layperson.  I've used a pressure cooker before, I've seen what happened when pressure builds up, and I've also seen differences of small amounts of pressure being released and large amounts of pressure being released.  I've just never seen anything with as much pressure as we're talking about, but based on my own observations in life, I chose to say a big bang.  On the other hand, have you seen anything in your observations of life that would contradict the theory that that much matter being put under that much pressure would do anything other than go boom?

I'm actually not sure what you're trying to say here.  I don't know what a white hole is suppose to be.  I'm still sticking with after the bang it starts a new universe so I don't have an answer as to where it goes if it doesnt.

I think that's already been answered in previous posts

No one has ever said that the big bang created the earth as it is, nor any part of the universe as it is today.  It was nothing but molton hot peices of matter that spread out just like a normal explosion, then peices started to clump together as things have been proven to do in space, then cooled down, while other clumps of gas has continued to be very hot.  Then these clumps banged into each other, some smaller peices causing craters on the larger peices and some combining to make larger peices.  I could go on, but I think you can get what I'm talking about.

Thank you all for your well thought out comments.

I'm sorry I did not think you would care so much if I corrected you without going into detail. The estimates(Yes I know your going to do the annoying ray/kirk thing and go "key word: estimates" or key word to anything) of our observable universe is 185 billion light years accross. It actually contains around 200 billion or more galaxies. Our galaxy is not that big, and still contains over 100 billion stars itself. Our sun is also not big at all. There is also planets, black holes(Which are hundreds of times more massive then stars) etc in galaxies. Some galaxies hold trillions of stars.

 

Now, as for a singularity, scientists have calculated that gravity would have such an effect on matter that when it collapsed it would colapse into a space no bigger then a millionth the size of a photon. However they do not know if the amount of matter has an effect on it's size. It is theorized that different black holes could be bigger or smaller depending on the matter in it. However for energy a black hole encompases it could never get bigger then the size of a photon.

 

Matter, and energy can not be created, nor destroyed. Only changed(matter to energy, energy to matter). This means if matter exists(Which it does) it would of existed forever.

 

Gravity is caused by matter, so gravity would also of existed forever. When gravity pulls stuff in, it creates a singularity. As we know matter in a black hole spins(We know this from x-ray jets) meaning all the matter in the big bang singularity was also spining. We know the more friction, the more thermal energy(Heat). Compacting more matter in a small space, then spining it would cause great ammount of heat.

 

Thermal energy is caused do to vibrations in atoms, the faster the vibrations, the hotter it is, it also gets larger in volume. When atoms reach critical heat(When thermal vibrations reach the speed of light, at around 1.4*10^32 degrees kelvin) every single atom would grow rapidly and colapse on itself creating a singularity on it's own. Before the big bang happen the thermal vibrations would of reached this limit, all atoms would cause a great deal of preasure all over trying to grow rapidly and all matter does this at the same time, ripping apart and breaking free of gravity and almost instantly when it broke free of the singularity causing a massive great expansion(big bang) it cooled, but still was being thrown out.

 

As for dark energy/matter it is a after effect of the big bang which is pushing matter out faster and faster. 

Thanks. However the big bang is shrouded in mystery itself, really this is the "best guess". It has more evidence like the structure of the universe do to a great expansion could of only happened similiar to this. Black holes also give us a great deal of insite onto how this universe formed.

 

As for maximum thermal heat, I would really want to know if this is the maximum heat, it's a bit higher, or different types of matter affect it. Thermal Critical Limit would have a great deal of effect on the big bang, a lot of scientists are trying to see if it does happen(Math proves it does, but they still need to replicate it to confirm it) but that would require creating something at those tempetures, and containing something like that is not like containing atoms. For one if it is right, and atoms with thermal vibrations at the speed of light do infinitly try to expand, that means it could destroy the planet instantly, and can not be contained. Even the heat being let our would cause a great deal of problems.

 

Thing is, no matter how much evidence there is for something, the theists never agree with it.

How so?

Scientists proved matter existed forever, same with energy.(If matter can not be created, and exists, it existed forever, same with energy)

 

Problem is, our big bang we can only accuritly say without a doubt what happened up to 1 planck second after the big bang. Before that we know what must of happened to create the universe as it is, but can not witness, or test it.

 

The only possible way to test it, would be to replicate it(Which scientists are doing) or observe it(Another universe begining? Highly unlikely we are to see it). 

Your right! It's not in the world of theory! How smart of you!

 

It's in the world of law however. 1st law of thermodynamics, matter can not be created, nor destroyed. What does that mean? If something can not be created, it either always existed, or never will. Since matter exists, it must of existed forever.