Life’s Sudden Unexpected Changes

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Life’s Sudden Unexpected Changes

I'd like you to think about this. It is a reality that none of us are exempt from.

Lets say all is well in your life right now, which I’m sure it is. You are confident that there is no God and nothing can stand in your way to change how you feel. You go through the routine of getting up to face a new day and successfully get through the day with its work and leisure and later go to bed to sleep and awaken to another day. Life just keeps going on and on and you feel like nothing can stop you from accomplishing what you’ve set out to do.

You make plans for the days, weeks and months to come and have confidence that you will continue to go through your daily routines and live to see those plans fulfilled like everyone else does. You get up one day to go out to accomplish another day of work and leisure and fulfill your plans when suddenly, without warning, you get into a serious accident. You blackout for a short time and then open your eyes to find yourself in an ambulance in critical condition and extreme pain all over your body.

Now everything has changed and there’s nothing you can do about it. You are no longer in control of your day as your life has taken a terrible turn for the worse. You are stuck in an ambulance on the way to the emergency and can’t go home. You can’t contact anyone. Your condition worsens and you have only a few minutes left to live. You can’t believe this is happening to you. This only happens to other people out there. This just can’t happen to you. You have plans and things to accomplish in life. You want out of the situation you are in but there’s nothing you can do to change your circumstances. You can’t even say bye to your family and friends or even your close sweetheart.

Time is ticking and your heart and breathing is going to stop at any moment. You are about to leave this world. All is finished and there isn’t a thing you can do about it. You feel helpless and alone. At this moment you wonder what’s beyond this life. Before, when all was going well you always felt confident that God was not real. You had control of your life, but now you have lost that control and you are slowly dieing.

What you’ve always believed cannot change what is now happening to you. Your focus is more on what’s next. You might wonder in that moment if this God they talk about IS real. What IF the Bible is true? What IF those Christians out there are right in what they are saying? You didn’t believe you’d someday be in an ambulance, facing death and yet . . . here you are. It is now a reality that can’t be changed.

You might laugh at what I’ve written or get angry and cuss all you want, but you can’t control what the future holds for you in this life and beyond no matter how much you want to disbelieve in anything. None of us are exempt from getting into a death related accident. It happens to people every day out there and suddenly without warning. Some of us believe that we’ll live pass retirement age, but how can we be so sure of that. What if today or tomorrow is all you have left? Wouldn’t it be nice to know that there IS something to look forward to beyond this life? To know that you can meet the Creator of the universe, who loves you very much. To have peace in your heart without fear even while laying on your deathbed.

If a time ever comes when you find yourself facing death, call on Jesus to save you. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain. He is your only hope beyond this life.

Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
(Romans 10:13)

From the Holy Bible (New Living Translation):

All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work.(2 Timothy 3:16-17)

For you know that God paid a ransom to save you from the empty life you inherited from your ancestors. And the ransom he paid was not mere gold or silver. It was the precious blood of Christ, the sinless, spotless Lamb of God. God chose him as your ransom long before the world began, but he has now revealed him to you in these last days. Through Christ you have come to trust in God. And you have placed your faith and hope in God because he raised Christ from the dead and gave him great glory.
(1 Peter 1: 18-22)

It is impossible to please God without faith. Anyone who wants to come to him must believe that God exists and that he rewards those who sincerely seek him.
(Hebrews 11:6)

Faith is the confidence that what we hope for will actually happen; it gives us assurance about things we cannot see.(Hebrews 11:1)

You love him even though you have never seen him. Though you do not see him now, you trust him; and you rejoice with a glorious, inexpressible joy. The reward for trusting him will be the salvation of your souls.
(1 Peter 1:8-9)

Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons.
(1 Timothy 4:1)

The fool has said in his heart,"There is no God."
(Psalm 14:1)

For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they (unbelievers) are without excuse.
(Romans 1:20)

The message of the cross is foolish to those who are headed for destruction. But we who are being saved know it is the very power of God.
(1 Corinthians 1:18)

In this video, host Dr. Maurice Rawlings, a noted cardiologist investigates life after death and his experiences with patients who have actually seen the other side. (1hr 28min)

I urge you to tune into this weekly tv program titled
"Jack Van Impe Presents".
You can also view it online at

This program reviews the news stories around the world and shows how world events are fulfilling bible prophecy. All prophecies in the Holy Bible are being fulfilled, showing that we are living in the last days nearing the soon return of Jesus Christ.
An incredible event is about to happen very soon.
Millions of people will soon be evacuated off the Earth to be spared of 7 years of tribulation that will happen around the world. This evacuation, known as the Rapture, will happen suddenly. There will be "missing persons" reports coming from all over the world. There may be lies made up to explain away the event. The truth is, it will be another prophecy in the Holy Bible coming to pass:

For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words)
(1 Thessalonians 4:16-18

Signs in the middle east right now show that this worldwide evacuation is very near. Those who have made Jesus Christ their Lord & Savior will be spared of the horrific (apocalyptic) events that will soon happen upon this planet to those who have not repented. You only thought this could be in the movies, but it's really going happen. All your disbelieving, laughing, mocking and cussing will not change the reality of what's coming. It will happen just assuredly as you are reading this. You will be convinced when all hell breaks loose upon our planet soon. Global Warming and severe weather change and climate change is going to worsen. We are seeing the beginning of that right now around the world. Learn more about all this by viewing the weekly program on tv or online at

You don't have to be here to experience this terrible time of tribulation that is coming. You can be spared of it and safe with the rest of us when Jesus comes to call home His own. You can prepare right now. He loves you and wants you to be ready.
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You can be forgiven for denying the Holy Spirit, Jesus and God the Father. It is not the unforgivable sin. It is not blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. That is incorrect and not Bible based at all. So if you have denied God the Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit or even just the Holy Spirit Himself, you can still be forgiven and not damned. Jesus performed the miracles He did through the power of the Holy Spirit. The blasphemy against the Holy Spirit happened in the Bible where the Scribes (teachers of the law) were making an accusation against Jesus when he had been casting demons out of some demon possessed people who needed deliverance. It does not say anywhere in the bible that denying the Holy Spirit is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
Read Mark 3:21-30 in its full context.

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So sick of this stupid

So sick of this stupid bullshit... In the idiotic court case story, if this actually happened (and how exactly would this be legal???) you can probably trust your lawyer wouldn't tell you this unless it was true, and the document wouldn't contain all kinds of absurdities and contradictions. And the retarded classroom story ignores the fact that we CAN see brains - including those of living people through Cat scans, MRI, etc. Not so with God.

Faith is the very definition of irrationality...

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Todangst wrote this a while

Todangst wrote this a while back.


Thanks to Martin at for reformulating an argument I've given in the past. I'll use his reformulation:

Now for the story:

The university professor challenged his students with this question: Did God create everything that exists?" A student bravely replied, "Yes, he did!" "God created everything?" the professor asked. "Yes, Sir," the student replied.

The professor answered, "If God created everything, then God created evil; since evil exists and, according to the principal that our works define who we are then God is evil." The student became quiet before such an answer. The professor, quite pleased with himself, boasted to the students that he had proven once more that the Christian faith was a myth.

Another student raised his hand and said, "Can I ask you a question professor?" The student stood up and asked, "Professor, does cold exist?" "What kind of question is this? Of course it exists. Have you never been cold?" The students snickered at the young man's question. The young man replied, "In fact, Sir, cold does not exist. According to the laws of physics, what we consider cold is, in reality, the absence of heat. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-460° F) is the total absence of heat; all matter becomes inert and incapable of reaction at that temperature. Cold does not exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if we have no heat."

The student continued, "Professor, does darkness exist?" The professor responded, "Of course it does." The student replied, "Once again you are wrong sir, darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light we can study, but not darkness. In fact we can use Newton's prism
to break white light into many colors and study the various wavelengths of each color. You cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break into a world of darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a certain space is? You measure the amount of light present. Isn't this correct? Darkness is a term used by man to describe what happens when there is no light present."

Finally the young man asked the professor, "Sir, does evil exist?" Now uncertain, the professor responded, "Of course as I have already said. We see it every day. It is in the daily example of man’s inhumanity to man It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world These manifestations are nothing else but evil."

To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist, Sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is not like faith, or love that exists just as result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."

The professor sat down.

The young man's name ---
Albert Einstein

You know that one? Good. Time to deconstruct it. Let's get started.

First - this story is an urban legend.

Second - Einstein was a Pantheist, by definition. Practically an atheist in disguise.

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings." Upon being asked if he believed in God by
Rabbi Herbert Goldstein of the Institutional Synagogue, New York,
April 24, 1921, Einstein: The Life and Times, Ronald W. Clark, Page 502.

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." - Albert Einstein in Albert Einstein: The Human Side

Third - Einstein is only put forth as the author because he's about the only genius that the unawashed masses are aware of...

Fourth - The college professor is put forth as an arrogant, dogmatic man who views science as a religion and views questions from students as a challenge to his worldview. The student is put forth as a polite, honest, skeptic. The reality is that the roles are reversed: while a scientist can be dogmatic and a theist can be skeptical, science itself is skeptical, and religion itself is dogmatic. The emotional immaturity of the professor is a projection of the emotions found in the sort of theist who would actually be inspired by this tripe.

Fifth - Cold is not 'the absence of heat' anymore than "heat is the absence of cold'. Both 'hot' and 'cold' have to do with the motion of atomic and subatomic particles - "hot" and "cold" are not the opposite or the lack of one another, they are both subjective evaluations of the same thing - movement.

Sixth - This Thomistic-Augustinian semantic farce doesn't solve the problem of evil. Since an "evil" act requires human intent, a cognition, it's clearly ridiculous to call "evil" a non entity.

Seventh - "Evil is simply the absence of God"? - God is defined in the bible as omnipresent, ergo there can be no 'absence of god' as per the negative trait applied to 'god'.

Eighth - Isa 45:7 - I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].

Note: some respond by stating that later versions of this passage change the word 'evil' to something else, such as causing disaster. However, to purposely cause disaster is to act in an evil manner, so
this 'solution' just moves the problem one step back.

In addition, Rook Hawkins points out that a christian trying to defend this claim through redefinition has a lot of redacting to do:

”Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that good and evil come?”
(Lam. 3:38).

”...that I may repent of the evil, which I purpose to do unto them because of the evil of their doings” (Jer. 26:3).

”...all the evil which I purpose to do unto them; that they may return every man from his evil way; that I may forgive their iniquity and their sin” (Jer. 36:3).

”I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live. And I polluted them in their own gifts....” (Ezek. 20:25-26).

”For thus saith the Lord; as I have brought all this great evil upon this people, so will I bring upon them all the good that I have promised them” (Jer. 32:42).

”...shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?” (Amos 3:6).

See also: Jer. 11:11, 14:16, 18:11, 19:3, 19:15, 23:12, 26:13, 26:19, 35:17, 36:31, 40:2, 42:10, 42:17, 44:2, 45:5, 49:37, 51:64, Ezek. 6:10, Micah 2:3, 1 Kings 21:29, 2 Chron. 34:24, and 2 Chron. 34:28

Now, to visualize such a dialogue in an environment with REASON and without PREJUDICE, this is how it would look like.

Dialogue with a young theist

A philosophy professor challenged his students with a form of the Euthyphro dilema: Did 'God' create everything that exists?" A student replied, "Yes, he did!" (The 'bravely' part is removed, seeing as
civil disagreement is the very point of philosphy courses, no bravery is required for dissent. In fact, civil dissent is often rewarded in a philosophy class.)

"God created everything?" the professor asked. "Yes," the student replied. (The 'sir' part is removed, as no student in the 21st century addresses a college professor in this fashion, and the use of 'sir' is just a pretense of 'respect' from the theist mouthpiece who's actually feeling little more than contempt for the professor.' Eye-wink

The professor answered, "Well then, here's a logical puzzle for you: If God created everything, then God created evil; since evil exists and, according to the principal that our works define who we are, then God is evil."

The student became silently enraged over his worldview being 'attacked'. He began to project out his feelings of inadequecy as smugness coming from the professor.

The student then said: "Can I ask you a question professor?"

"Of course," replied the professor. That's the point of philosophical discourse. (The writer of the original story clearly has little experience with a real college classroom. The whole point of a philosophy or theology course is to foster discussion.)

Student: Is there such thing as heat?"
Professor: Yes, the professor replies. There's heat.
Student: "Is there such a thing as cold?"
Professor: "Yes, there's cold too."
Student: "No, sir, there isn't"

The professor doesn't grin or frown or react with any emotion other than curiosity. (The desire to see the professors 'smug smile wiped off his face' is just another projection of the feelings of inadequecy found in theists who argue like this sort of pablum...)

The student continues. You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit 458 degrees below zero,
which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold, otherwise we would be able to go colder than 458, You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of
heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it"

Professor: (Nodding his head in dismay, and working out how many times he's heard this bad logic by now). Do you remember the section in your workbook on semantic fallacies? By your "logic" we could also say there is no 'heat', only differing degrees of cold.

Student: ( gives a confused look a dog might make)

Professor: Your choice of 'heat' over 'cold' was arbitrary. In reality, both 'heat' and 'cold' are subjective terms... what the philosopher John Locke properly called "secondary qualities". The secondary qualities refer to a very real phenomena: the movement of atomic and sub atomic particles. We refer to their different rates of movement as 'temperature.' So what we 'really' have is temperature.... the terms 'heat' and "cold' are merely subjective terms we use to denote our relative experience of temperature.

So your entire argument is specious at best. You have not 'proven' that 'cold' does not exist, what you have done is shown that 'cold' is a subjective term. Removing the term we use to reference the phenomena does not eradicate the phenomena.

Student: (a bit stunned) "Uh... Ok.... Well, is there such a thing as darkness, professor?"

Professor: You are still employing the same logical fallacy. Just with a different set of of secondary qualities.

Student: "So you say there is such a thing as darkness?"

Professor: "What I am telling you is that you are repeating the very same error. "Darkness exists as a secondary quality.

Student: "You're wrong again. Darkness is not something, it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, Darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker and give me a jar of it. Can you give me a jar of darker darkness, professor?

Professor: Sure, right after you give me a jar of light. Seriously, what we call 'light' is actually a reference to photons. You've confused a secondary quality with an attribute again. "Light and dark' are subjective terms we use to describe a measure of photons. The photons actually exist, the terms 'light' and 'dark' are just subjective, relative terms... Doing away with a subjective term does not eradicate the actual phenomena itself - the photons.

Student: (gives a look not unlike a 3 year old trying to work out quantum physics)

Professor: I see your still struggling with the fallacy hidden in your argument. But let's continue, perhaps you'll see it.

Student: Well, you are working on the premise of duality", the christian explains.

Professor: Actually, I've debunked that claim two times now. But carry on.

Student: "Well, you assume, for example, that there is a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure.

Professor: And here, my class, we have a special plead fallacy. Be careful, my student. If you want to place your god beyond the grasps of reason, logic, and science and make him 'unmeasurable', then you are left with nothing but a mystery. So if you use this special plead to solve the problem, you can't call your god moral either. You can't call him anything. You can't say anything else about something beyond reason. So your solution is akin to treating dandruf by decapitation.

Student: (Gulps. Continues on, oblivious to what was just said) Sir, science cannot even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism but has never seen, much less fully understood them.

Professor: You just said that science cannot explain a thought. I'm not even sure what you mean by that. I think what you mean to say is this: there remains many mysteries in neuroscience. Would you agree?

Student: Yes sir.

Professor: And, along the same line of thought, we accept that there are things like thoughts, or electricity or magnetism even though we have never seen them?

Student: Yes!

Professor: Recall the section in your textbook concerning fallacies of false presumption. Turn to the entry on 'Category error'. You'll recall that a category error occurs when an inappropriate measure is used in regards to an entity, such as asking someone what the color a sound is.

Asking someone to see magnetism commits such an error. However, there is yet another error in your argument: it assumes that empircism relates to vision alone. This is false. Sight is not the sole means of knowing the world. We can use other senses to detect these phenomena. And we can view their effects upon the world.

Furthermore, Again, you are conflating the fact that science is incomplete with the ridiculous implication that science knows 'nothing' about these phenomena... so you'll also want to review the section on 'arguing form ignorance.'

Do you have more to say?

Student: (The student, continues, mainly unfazed, due to the protection his shield of ignorance affords him.) .... Um....... to view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot
exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, merely the absence of it"

Professor: You are really in love with this secondary quality fallacy, aren't you? You are again confusing a secondary quality with the phenomena in of itself. "Death" and "life" are subjective terms we use
to describe a more fundamental phenomena - biology. The phenomena in question, however, does exist. Biological forms in various states exist. Doing away with the subjective term does not eradicate the existence of death.

Nonplussed, the young man continues: "Is there such a thing as immorality?"

Professor: (Reaches for an asprin in his desk) Son... you're not going to again confuse a secondary quality for an atttribute, are you? Please... what can I do to help you see this problem?

Student: (Continues on, fueled by ideology and oblivious to reality) You see, immorality is merely the absence of morality. Is there such thing as injustice? No. Injustice is the absence of justice. Is there such a thing as evil?" The christian pauses. "Isn't evil the absence of good?"

Professor: So, if someone murders your mother tonight, nothing happened? There was just an absence of morality in your house? Wait, I forgot... she's not dead... she's just experiencing an absence of life, right?

Student: Uh.....

Professor: You're beginning to see that something is missing in your argument, aren't you? Here's what your missing. You are confusing a secondary quality... a subjective term that we can use to describe a
phenomena, for the phenomena itself. Perhaps you heard me mention this before? (The class erupts in laughter, the professor motions for them to stop laughing.) 'Immorality' is a descrptive term for a behavior. The terms are secondary, but the behaviors exist. So if you remove the secondary qualities, you do nothing to eradicate the real behavior that the terms only exist to describe. So by saying that 'immorality' is a lack of morality, you are not removing immorality from existence, you are just removing the secondary attribute, the term.

And notice how dishonest your argument is... in that it speaks of morality and immorality devoid of behavior, but 'evil' exists as a behavior, evil is an intent to do harm.

By the way, are you really trying to imply that immorality or evil are merely subjective qualities?

Student: Gulp! (Reeling from the psychological blows to his corrupt worldview....) Sir, Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"

The professor soothes his aching forehead, and prepares for the 1 millionth time that he will be subjected to the 'can you see the wind' argument.

Professor: What an interesting turn this conversation has taken. Can I advise you to read Brofenbrenner's suggestion against arguing over subjects over which you are uninformed? It's in your textbook.

Student: "Professor, since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now
not a scientist, but a priest?

Professor: Interesting indirect comment on the priesthood. But let's leave that aside... We do observe the process of evolution at work, for the process works at this very moment. As for the implication in your argument that one must 'be there' to observe a process at it occurs, surely you realize that we can infer the process through examining the evidence that these processes leave behind? In a sense, we 'are there' when we observe artifacts.

Consider for example the science of astronomy. How do we know about super novas? Because we can observe diferrent supernovas in different stages of super nova, by observing their 'artifacts' in the night sky. The same stands for any historical science. Your mistake here is that you think science is merely observation, and 'real-time-observation' at that...This is a strawman of science. Science is both direct and indirect observation... it also allows for inference.

Student: "But sir! You stated that science is the study of observed phenomena.

Professor: No, this is a strawman of what science is... Science is more than just real time observation, we also make inferences. But continue....

Student: (Responds to this as a goat might respond to a book on calculus) May I give you an example of what I mean?"

Professor: Certainly.

Student: "Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen air, oxygen, molecules, atoms, the professor's brain?"

The class breaks out in laughter. The christian points towards professor, "Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain... felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain?" "No one appears to have done so", The christian shakes his head sadly. "It appears no one here has had any sensory perception of the professor's brain whatsoever. Well, according to the rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science, I declare that the professor has no brain!"

Professor: You mean, according to your strawman view of science. I am glad that you are here in my class so that I can help you better understand what you criticize. Science is not merely 'looking' at things. Science is empirical, but also rational. We can make inferences from evidence of things that we do see, back to phenonema that we might not be able to directly see.

And one inference I can make from observing your behaviors here today is that you've wasted the money you've spent on your logic textbook so far this year. I strongly advise, for your own sake, that you crack open that book today, and start reading.



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I also forgot - I haven't

I also forgot - I haven't been convicted of a crime. I don't believe in the irrational concepts of "sin" and "hell."

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I spy with my little

I spy with my little eye...

A Number One!  Pascal to the rescue!

A Number Two! Watchmaker please make me a watch!

A Number Eleven!  I don't actually exist... the IRS will be upset to know...

A Number Twenty One! Isn't it lucky Ol' Gideon was in the printing business...

and for the grand finale...


God exists because children don't grow on trees!!


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What in the name of

What in the name of absolute idiocy would lead a person to believe that this is in any way, shape, or form a true story? 


(true story)

One day a little girl was sitting in a classroom.
The teacher was going to explain evolution to the children.
The teacher asked a little boy:

TEACHER: "Tommy do you see the tree outside?"
Tommy: "Yes."

Teacher: "Do you see the grass outside?"
Tommy: "Yes."

Teacher: "Go outside and look up and see if you can see the sky."
(He returned a few minutes later)

Tommy: "Okay. Yes, I saw the sky."

Teacher: "Did you see God?"
Tommy: "No."

Teacher: "That's my point. We can't see God because he isn't there. He doesn't exist."

The little girl spoke up and wanted to ask the boy some questions. The teacher agreed and the little girl asked the boy:

Little Girl: "Tommy, do you see the tree outside?"

Little Girl: "Tommy do you see the grass outside."
Tommy: "Yessss." (getting tired of the questions by this time)\n

Little Girl: "Did you see the sky.?"
Tommy: "Yessss."\n

Little Girl: "Tommy, do you see the teacher?"
\nTommy: "Yes."

Little Girl: "Do you see her brain?"
\nYommy: "No."

Little Girl: "Then according to what we were taught today in school, she must not have one!\n

"FOR WE WALK BY FAITH, NOT BY SIGHT" (2 Corinthians 5:7)
So if you believe that there is a God, send this to all you know!\n
\n\n",0] ); //-->Tommy:

Little Girl: "Tommy do you see the grass outside."
Tommy: "Yessss." (getting tired of the questions by this time)

Little Girl: "Did you see the sky.?"
Tommy: "Yessss."

Little Girl: "Tommy, do you see the teacher?"
Tommy: "Yes."

Little Girl: "Do you see her brain?"
Tommy: "No."

Little Girl: "Then according to what we were taught today in school, she must not have one!

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It doesn't matter if Einstein said it or not, iot's absolute bullshit.  First, heat is the absence of cold, it's just a word we made up to describe the sensation.  So heat doesn't really exist, any college professor would have thrown that back at him.  Ligt is the absence of darkness and doesn't really exist, it's just a workd we made up to describe the reaction.


That tale is such bullshit, anyway, regardless of whether Einstein said it or not.  But, yes, Einstein was a pantheist, and I think I've found his God, I mailed my findings to the RRS yesterday, and we'll see if they post me or not. 

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I'm only responding to the first part of what I assume is the only thing Revelation actually wrote.

The near death story. I've had it. No, seriously I've almost died, twice. You want to know what I felt, what I had seen? Nothing. You want to know how I felt about it? At peace. We live, we die. End of story. I am at total peace with giving my existence up. I would say when you die you'll be dissappointed because you've imagined up a bunch of silly garbage that won't happen, but guess what? You just won't be.

Yearning for an afterlife is the most selfish idea in all of man's creation. Well, aside from a blowjob robot that runs on semen, which is a much cooler idea than a crappy afterlife filled with angels and gold roads and a bunch of other nonsense your greedy little pig heart desires. You need to start doing more with you life instead of thinking you get to go again. You don't.

There are no prizes either. You get rewarded for being awesome to people, now, in life. It's easy to figure out. I treat people completely awesome and then they might buy me a Nintendo Wii on my birthday. You want more? I swear, if I was your god I'd take a royal dump on you everyday for acting like a pig-hooved little dickweed, and then running around telling people that I was uncle fucking moneybags. What a joke. Prizes...bah.

I'm not even bothering watching the near death experience tape. Let me guess, bright lights, people above you, hands coming towards you. They call those doctors.

Oh, and I know my creators personally. I was raised by them. I call them mom and dad. You are deluded, sir. If you think your god created you, then you better go get your ass into a charm school and quick, or your god might show up and mash you up to try again. I'm assuming of course you think your god made you out of mud or whatever since you obviously don't understand how people are created.

The rest of your post was alot of contrived tripe everyone has heard of before. Oh, did I just call verses of the bible contrived tripe? Why yes, I did. The problem with you theists is that you assume atheists have never heard of your religion before. Most atheists are theologians. I spent a good part of my late teens and early twenties heavily devoted to the study of religion.

Did you know, your religion is unoriginal, uninspired and I've read better things than the bible in the book of mormon, and the Koran. Just for anyone who is interested, the creation story in the Koran kicks ass compared to the one in the bible. It's still ridiculous, but has more action in it. Allah was a little more virile.

In China there are shrines to actual people that were worshipped as deities. They have a god of prostitutes. She was just a regular lady that treated prostitutes really well and defended them and was eventually murdered for standing in the way of some angered military dicks. She got a shrine and was worshipped by hookers. Why don't I get pestered by her followers? It's been a long time since I was researching so sorry about the lackluster representation of this probably named religion and shrine worshipping.

The easiest way to become lost is by pretending you know where you are going. ~ Keno

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I don't have to respond to this garbage thanks to everyone else. Especially keno, for clearing this up.

"Every true faith is infallible -- It performs what the believing person hopes to find in it. But it does not offer the least support for the establishing of an objective truth. Here the ways of men divide. If you want to achieve peace of mind and happiness, have faith. If you want to be a disciple of truth, then search." - Nietzsche

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Wouldn’t it be nice to know that there IS something to look forward to beyond this life? To know that you can meet the Creator of the universe, who loves you very much. To have peace in your heart without fear even while laying on your deathbed.

 "It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."

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ChosenByPasta wrote:
I don't have to respond to this garbage thanks to everyone else. Especially keno, for clearing this up.

Hit and run posters like revelation would be good parents.


"Congrats, you're born, bye!" 

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I'm not going to PM my agreement just because one tucan has pms.