Free Thinking?
Offline I find many things fairly humorous about this site. Particularly the pity party it seems to be. As well as the same rehash half-cocked rhetoric. What are you saving people from... ? To dismiss religion as irrationality is quite missing the point of religion. Therefore let us quote St. Carl and ponder the mystic musings of Archbishop Dawkins. Dogma is dogma. i would expect the intergrity with which the topic of theism against that of atheism to be a bit more present especially since the call to eradicate theism is such an urgent concern in your minds. I also find it pretty cute how you quote scripture. The way you approach any book determines what you get out of it. If you have convinced yourselves of great and profound truths from your extensive study of it, then your exegetical skills are truly out of proportion with the righteous task at hand. It is not my taskto convince you of my beliefs nor is it my task to convince you that you are wrong merely that "rational" and "freethinking" are misnomers attributed to this site. "Whatever they read...they distort to serve the opinion to which they have once and for all enslaved themselves. ...they are like those whoin the heat of battle turn everything at hand, be it a pitcher or a plate, into a missile. Are people thus affectedable to form an objective judgment?"-Erasmus
People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use. ---S.K.
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Funny a science book doesn't require you to be convinced of it in order for it to be seen correctly.
Sounds made up...
Agnostic Atheist
No, I am not angry at your imaginary friends or enemies.
We're trying to save people from believing in stupid things. And to stop the harm religion does - terrorism, distortion of science, discrimination, laws based on biblical nonsense, etc.
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It requires nothing if one is convinced reality can be encompassed by a materialistic framework.
I don't need math for it. Science says this chemical reacts with that chemcial... I test this and it shows that it does. No matter what I believed before the experiment had no effect of the testing and result of the experiment.
Sounds made up...
Agnostic Atheist
No, I am not angry at your imaginary friends or enemies.
and the point exactly would be....
Not quite sure where you get the pity party idea from.
I would say that many people here are truth seekers and are more interested in not allowing other people's beliefs to affect their lives and the laws of this country. I personally don't care what your beliefs are, as long as they don't affect me or the rights of others.
Are you suggesting that non-religious people shouldn't be studying religious texts?
If god takes life he's an indian giver
Welcome!
I find belief in magic humorous.
Have you ever looked at religion, THAT is a pity party, "oh, i am just a horrible pitiful sinner".
Again, are you looking in the mirror as you say this? Rhetoric is what religion thrives on.
Being deluded.
There is no point to religion
Funny you bring this up, we do not give scientists or freethinkers these titles, it is religion who worships magic and men.
Was that english?
Yes, yes, we have heard this before. It's all how you interpret it. The bible is mythology, plain and simple.
English?
We are freethinking because we can think any way we want, this threatens you and your faith. It scares you.
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I'll not deny that science works. But an empirical restriction epistimology has caused science to be wrong once before. It was called the Copernican Revolution and the champions of modern scince in that situation was oddly enough the church and Copernicus and Galileo. Because come on empirically (from our observation point)the sun is the one that rises.
People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use. ---S.K.
Mister BGH I do write in english ... do you read english?
Science isn't right or wrong it is a method. Science is the method of discovery. The only reason science brings about an incorrect answer is when it doesn't have enough information. It is a work in progress. It builds up as we discover new things. Religion on the other hand is stagnant even when it is wrong or illogical. It is a bad method (if you can call it a method) to understanding the world around us.
Sounds made up...
Agnostic Atheist
No, I am not angry at your imaginary friends or enemies.
- Galileo was required to recant his heliocentric ideas; the idea that the Sun is stationary was condemned as "formally heretical." However, while there is no doubt that Pope Urban VIII and the vast majority of Church officials did not believe in heliocentrism, Catholic doctrine is defined by the pope when he speaks ex cathedra (from the Chair of Saint Peter) in matters of faith and morals. While Church officials did condemn Galileo, heliocentrism was never formally or officially condemned by the Catholic Church, except insofar as it held (for instance, in the formal condemnation of Galileo) that "The proposition that the sun is in the center of the world and immovable from its place is absurd, philosophically false, and formally heretical; because it is expressly contrary to Holy Scriptures", and the converse as to the Sun's not revolving around the Earth.[14]
- He was ordered imprisoned; the sentence was later commuted to house arrest.
- His offending Dialogue was banned; and in an action not announced at the trial and not enforced, publication of any of his works was forbidden, including any he might write in the future.
So, the church wasn't exactly embracing science there pedro.....No Gods, Know Peace.
This is obnoxious, combative behavior will get you no where on this forum. You came to this forum accusatory and pugnacious. Is this because you aren't able to carry on a decent conversation in a civilized manner? I imagine so.
If god takes life he's an indian giver
Props for using exegetical
but that still doesn't make any sense..... mainly because we don't pull any great and profound truth from any scripture (we use it to argue people who bring it up to argue with us), and we see it as part of believeing what we believe. If we can not understand the argument of the other side how can we understand our own.
No Gods, Know Peace.
Yes, I read english. The two sentences I asked this about were very incoherent.
It is nice to know you agree with everything else I said and could only take a combative stance about my comments regarding those two statements.
(Mod note - antagonism is not allowed on the forums. Your first warning)
Really....hhhmmm.....I might have to call this one......
No Gods, Know Peace.
Call it what... ? LOL
{on 2nd thought: wait, that was in Trollville....nevermind}
No Gods, Know Peace.
My bad, I will step out.
Did you come to this thread just to tell us your magnificent thoughts or do you have a sincere question? I am sorry that you feel the way you do about this site, but I do not understand why you are here. Many of your statements have been posted by others so your message is not exactly the thunderbolt you may have intended it to be.
And these theists wonder why we call them irrational...
Boys! Play nice. You are both saying the same thing. Now, kiss and make up or I will have to punish you both. (Well, I can't really do that, but you should make up anyway...you are scaring the theist.)
No Gods, Know Peace.
Ahhh...my two favorite atheists!! You are both adorable and you cannot make me choose.
No Gods, Know Peace.
Soo, was this just a drive by judgment-slinging?
Looks like it. Darnit! It looked like fun, too.
In other words, if you project something you think is clever into it, it sounds profound....
You could do the same thing to a nursery rhyme. That's what I find cute.
"Hitler burned people like Anne Frank, for that we call him evil.
"God" burns Anne Frank eternally. For that, theists call him 'good.'
The scientific method is not restricted to empiricism.... if it were, you'd be ruling out all speculative forms of cosmology. The scientific method is both deductive and inductive. Rational and empirical.
The church?
You have your history backwards. The church even declared that if the earth revolved around the sun, this would refute the bible. The catholic church didn't even apologize for its actions towards Galileo until 1992!
As for heliocentric theory, it actually dates back to the Greeks.... without a christian church, Copernicus might have had to have found another job.... we might have had a working heliocentric theory 1000 years before he was born...
"Hitler burned people like Anne Frank, for that we call him evil.
"God" burns Anne Frank eternally. For that, theists call him 'good.'
We do a pretty good job of making religion look funny don't we?
Well I really have no choice but to assume you are referring to how we don't like being demonized and terrorized by christian, moslem, jewish, and other religious lunatics; and that you think we are asking for an unreasonable end to it. In which case I will have to call you a bigot. Do you have a slave too?
Any time a theist wants to come up with something new....
I'm saving myself and those like me. I have little problem with theists wanting to kill each other, as long as they leave us sane people alone in the process. Though I'd rather everyone lay off the god smiting bullshit.
On the contrary. We know the point of religion. We also know that it's use has come to an end, and it now causes more problems than it solves. It's done so for quite awhile now actually, but it's taken parts of our species awhile to figure that out. In time the rest will also.
I don't know who your st Carl is, but I have no choice but to assume you are referring to Richard Dawkins. He is not an archbishop in any sense of the word. He's a scientist who has discovered a few things and is respected for having done so. That doesn't make everything about him good. Neither does it give him a position of authority. He's still a man.
And science isn't.
I played nice for 10 years and it got me nowhere. Things are getting worse. The gloves are off now.
Actually I don't. I have no desire to waste my time reading the entirety of the bible or the crap it was assembled with. I don't need to point out the hundreds of contradictions to show how your god is irrational, illogical, and false.
Which is the only explanation you have for somehow missing the glaring contradictions and blatant lies within the bible.
I suspect you use big words in an attempt to sound big, without even knowing what the word means in the first place. I find this most amusing. Either that or you're so delusional it's sad.
You've done such a good job so far. [/sarcasm]
Fits you like a glove. Congrats on the good choice of signatures.
Showing how the bible isn't factually absolute just shows that it's not something to believe in at all. Thanks.
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I, on the other hand, am neither a pot nor a kettle. (At least not yet.)
terra73, your post does not present anything for discussion. It is simply a very long insult.
Now you have had your first warning for trolling.
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Wait. I want in so that jce scolds me too. lol.
terra73,
Paragraphs go a long way toward exegesis.
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To defend the 'freethinker' word:
"Man's mind is so formed that it is far more susceptible to falsehood than to truth." - Erasmus
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