homosexuality
Posted on: July 10, 2006 - 8:08pm
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http://www.palmpage.com/debate/index.php?topic=62.0
Same old yarn any advice on refutation.
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Maybe you could touch on that humans are very sexual beings. We like sex [not just for procreation].
Also, it's quite evident that we are born gay, straight and everything in between. This makes in natural. Homosexuality is natural. Why would god make someone gay in the first place?
[I know this must sound really stupid. But it would be interesting to see how they (xtians) respond.]
To paraphrase Robert Ingersoll, If God objects to Homosexuals, he ought not have created such people.
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Honestly, id like to know why they, or god, care at all.
They obviously cannot pro-create just by definition of what they are in sexual orientation!
They are probably the only "enemy" that they have that has a possibilty of going away.
But I dont see homosexuality as a choice and some people do.
I don't care if it's a choice or not. By definition, if it occurs in nature it's natural.
LOL! He said "Homosexuality does nothing to better humanity". Wow. Talk about a blanket statement. Here's some tips for the guy:
(1) Heterosexuals can also overbreed, which creates a population problem (which won't be rectified by some Jewish guy coming down from the sky to save everyone just when things hit the critical moment, so start worrying NOW!). So breeding, by definition, neither betters nor worsens society. It's how the child is raised, and homosexuals can make just as good or bad parents as anyone else. If anything, they help the overpopulation problem by not breeding and adopting unwanted children.
(2) A heterosexual also doesn't better humanity. Good people do, which defies sexual orientation.
(3) Love is love. It's no more or less real because someone is a homosexual.
(4) By this guy's definition, barren women and impotent men are also just as bad since they can't reproduce either. Sure, they might love oen another, and sure as shit could adopt, but according to this guy they still aren't up to par with them there heterosexuals breeding and breeding.
(5) He pulls in Evolution. Alright, then how does he not know for sure whether or not homosexuality naturally occurs as a safeguard against overpopulation as far as evolution is concerned? Who knows? It's natural, just like heterosexuality.
If I didn't already have my hands full with three forums I'd join that one just to point that guy at these five notions.
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I wouldlike to use these five points with your permission.
A MESSAGE TO ALL THEISTS:
CRY ME A RIVER
BUILD ME A BRIDGE
BUT IN THE NAME OF NOTHING GET OVER IT.
Go for it. That's why I posted them. I'm no anthropologist though, so maybe they're not logically sound. But they're the one's I stick to when this topic comes up. Anything I ever post to these boards you're free to use, since that's what rational free-thinking is about: a sharing of knowledge, eh?
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The easiest way to deconstruct a theologically inspired homophobic stance is to first point out that no one actually follows all of the tenants of the Bible (to prove this, ask how many disobediant children the Xtian has murdered. If he says none, he is disobeying God, according to Deuteronomy 21: 18-21) Once it has been established that the person only follows the portions of the Bible he finds convenient to do so, then it has been logically established that the man does not hate gays because of his religion, he hates gays because he is a small minded, knuckle dragging mouth breathing prick who discriminates against any group his infantile consciousness is not familiar with. Thus the debate is not about religious conviction, it is about prejudice and blanketed hatred against a social demographic.
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A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the nature of the Unknowable.
On another board I'm a member of, someone stated that she thinks homosexuality evolved to control over-population. I'm not so sure I agree with that statement. But it's a point that you could make while arguing xtians. Of course, they probably don't accept the theory of evolution either.
i found a rather informative thread on this at iidb here:
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/archive/index.php/t-141455.html
it appears that mistranslation or open interpretation is a big part of the anti-homosexual position in Xianity. eg, the homosexual reference in 1 Cor and 1 Tim are -- literally -- "sex-men" and not the same term as used in Romans 1. why would Paul do that unless he meant two different things?
when confronted with the original language, things get quite a bit hazy; far moreso than the average Xian is willing to admit -- or even have knowledge of!
also, check out wiki for homosexuality in other animals:
List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior
why would Yahweh make other animals "sin"? does The Adversary cause gay bottlenose dolphins?! bisexual bonobos?! this is nonsense.
i hope that helps.
peace,
mike
Did they somehow miss your mention of "Where the fuck is free-will if God knows every outcome, so therefore God makes you knowing you'll burn" hinting?
Judas: no choice.
Peter: No choice.
All of us: No choice.
God already knows our outcomes. He knows our choices already. he makes us knowing which ones will fail no matter what we do, so God is a vindictive prick with a mean streak the size of the solar system.
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I heard god is up for biggest douche in the universe this year.
speaking of overpopulation, I think we should start neutering the theists, they have too many damn kids.
wait till marriage to have sex and next thing you know they're multiplying like rabbits. it's like not letting a kid drink till he's 21, no sense of responsibility when it comes to pleasure.
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To colege students (who are usually gelling their beliefs, and therefore are usually able to be deprogrammed) I whip out a bit of 'Appeal th their base natures.
"I look at it this way.. two men decide to hook up, great! More women for me! And *I* lile (forgive my vulgarity here) licking pussy. Can't really fault a lesbian for liking what I like.."
"Imperious, choleric, irascible, extreme in everything, with a dissolute imagination the like of which has never been seen, atheistic to the point of fanaticism, there you have me in a nutshell.... Kill me again or take me as I am, for I shall not change.
I think i'm just a Lesbian trapped in a man's body
I can't think of a rational reason why there is anything wrong with homosexuality... therefore, christianity is irrational if it says there is something morally wrong with it...
OK.. see, that's the problem.. you're looking for a rational reason behind worshipping ANY of the Desert gods. The last really rational thing any of them really did was the whole 'Don't eat pork' thing because they didn't know how to cook it yet.
"Imperious, choleric, irascible, extreme in everything, with a dissolute imagination the like of which has never been seen, atheistic to the point of fanaticism, there you have me in a nutshell.... Kill me again or take me as I am, for I shall not change.
Yea but there was also that one time that... uh... hell, ok. Ya got me. We're talking about the people that came up with the idea of a "Just War" afterall...
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