Quran 67:12-14
12. Verily! Those who fear their Lord unseen (i.e. they do not see Him, nor His Punishment in the Hereafter, etc.), theirs will be forgiveness and a great reward (i.e. Paradise).
13. And whether you keep your talk secret or disclose it, verily, He is the All-Knower of what is in the breasts (of men).
14. Should not He Who has created know? And He is the Most Kind and Courteous (to His slaves) All-Aware (of everything).

{ "If Allah were to punish people according to what they deserve, He would not leave on the back of the (earth) a single living creature: but He gives them respite for a stated Term: when their Term expires, verily Allah has in His sight all His servants." }
(Quran 89:45)

The wise as false?
Non-Muslim Scientists embraced Islam after discovering the Miracles of the Noble Quran!

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Science/scientists.html

you are free to believe or not to believe.

why dont u provide your proof if you are truthful.

you have free will, over your own ACTIONS. you have free will over your own OPINIONS.

you do not have free will over when you will die or where (unless you intentionally commit suicide). That is predestined for you. it is already recorded.

i thought this was rational responders, your acting pretty irational to me.

If something is written before it happens it DOES NOT AFFECT your free will. it does not CONFINE you to what you can and cannot do.

predestination is knowledge of the future, the unseen.

you are misunderstanding the meaning of predetermined, it is already known, written. Whichever choice you pick God already knows.

First of all if you are going to argue about predestination you must assume God exists. since God exists it would only be RATIONAL THAT HE KNOWS ABOUT ALL HE CREATED: past present and future.

Your logic is backwards. The Earth isn't like that because humans exist, humans are able to live because of the way the Earth is (and how do you know no planets OUTSIDE the solar system has these things?)

This life is so short, why would i invest my time and knowledge in it here. All will die and that's not the end of the story.

Let's get this straight, i am not a slave to a book, i am a slave to the one who created me in my mother's womb and gave me life in the womb during development.

Do you know where life comes from? did you ever stop to think about what happens to it when you die?

Isnt the fundamentals of physics energy cannot be destroyed?
It would make sense then that our life energy would not be destroyed, but our temporary bodies that enclose them would.

When he says that if unbelievers doesn't not accept Allah before we die we will go to hell, that isn't even possible according to Islam. It is only by the will of Allah that a person is made to see the light. We cant accept or not accept Allah because he and only he decides who will be a believer and go to heaven. He decided that long before the universe was ever created, humans does not have free will when it comes to accepting Allah or not.

The earth was created in order to sustain life, both of us know this.

It was specifically designed to protect life from hazardous material in space, to sustain life by growing vegetation and water, to refresh itself with different seasons, and to shelter us.

The earth looks like it was made perfect to sustain life and you know this.

humans are able to live because of the way the Earth is

Thats correct, but why is the earth designed so life-friendly.
(cannot be a coinsidence from the big bang to small of a chance)

you misunderstood me, assuming for the sake of argument if there is predestination, it means there is a God, since there is a Creator it would make sense he would know ALL THAT HE CREATED: past, present, and future.

For the sake of logic does that seem correct?

Everything is predestined, even if you decide to change your destiny, that is already predestined for you.

Predestined means it is already recorded and known to God what will happen to ALL.

A person has free will over his thoughts, his actions, & his intentions.

And this is precisely what evolutionary biologists do.

Look at how similar they are genetically, how the fossil record indicates only the simplest fossils at the lowest levels, and more advanced ones further up. Notice how very diverse all organisms are in minute ways, but how similar their cell machinery is. Life adapts to the environment, not vice versa. You don't even know the process, who the fuck are you declare that it is "impossible?" Go back to your Mosque, you dogmatic fool.

Brilliant: instead of reading the compiled research from thousands of scientists, who each devoted their lives to studying evolution and how it works, we should just decide off of how we feel. Brilliant suggest.

So while you're off "using your mind" to figure out a universe more complex than you can possibly imagine, leave us ignorant old scientists and evolutionists to do our empirical research that actually creates useful knowledge about our surroundings.

As for how or why life came about, this is a god of the gaps argument. Just because we do not know the specific process yet, does not mean it did not occur (as is obvious). Some sort of abiogenesis was likely the method (it makes sense in terms of our models of organic chemistry and molecular biology). Chemicals react with one another, forming favorable interactions. It should be no surprise that life arose out of non-life during the earth's early environment.

That is based on a huge assumption, that there is a God.

It's only complicated to you because you don't have the answers that are out there. You are using a god belief to explain what you don't know just like people did when they didn't understand the sun, the moon, stars, weather, etc.

This is a strawman fallicy. Evolution does not occur by chance. It occurs through natural selection.

Evolution is not a theory on the genisis of life, rather what has happened after it began. There are scientist that work on the origin question: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_life

Saying that God did it advances no knowledge whatsoever.

In order for one to use his mind it is best that it is educated. Carrying an ancient myth in your head as a model of reality is a good way to prevent it from functioning properly

Isn't that whoke argument almost like a lottery winner arguing since the chances against winning are so small that the lottery must have been set just just for that specific person to win?

You consider eternal torture as punsihment for not believing something without evidence and not worhipping?

What nonreligious evidence do you have about the origin of life? How long did it take for the origin of life to occur, according to your sky daddy?

Creation is the only type that defines the origin of the first living human and the history of the universe and the earth, way way way before we just found out this century.

I doubt the Greek knew the whole universe was once a connected entity. (BIG BANG THEORY)

According to both logics, evolutionists only explain what happens AFTER life came about, it does nothing (nor can it) to explain the origin of the first life, which is what i am trying to put out.

There are NO nonreligious evidence of the origin of life. Keep looking it will be like driving in circles...

We are not given a date to when life origionated in the Quran, just HOW it origionated.

Why would I want to waste time trying to disprove your religious beliefs? If you have a claim, you have a responsability to support it. Giving me a reference in some book of mythology is not proof.

i suppose not having answers is your proof, isn't it?

I have a brain, and the internet, which is why I use both. However, atheism is a far more rational stance than theism (notice in this thread, and others, how poorly you understand the science of how the world actually works). Furthermore, you are missing my point. I cannot simply "choose" what to believe. Can you make yourself believe that God does not exist? I seriously cannot make myself believe something like the existence of God because my subconscious automatically dismisses it as a fairy tale. I can't control that!

I'm saying that if God is omniscient, free will is merely an illusion. It is not actually there. Therefore we are not responsible for our actions in the universal sense (we are, after all, products of our genetics and environment).

Anyone who thinks they deserve worship gives themselves too much credit. Anyone who thinks they deserve worship while providing pathetic evidence for their own existence is really reaching. And anyone who decides that we must suffer eternally for not mindlessly worshipping someone who fails to provide convincing evidence of their own existence is like an immature yet all-powerful school bully.

We don't even have to be divinely controlled for there to be no free will. Think about it: if God already knows what is going to happen, he knows that I will eat bread this morning and murder someone in the afternoon. I cannot deviate from this path since, presumably, God already knows how everything will occur. So how can I exercise my will? I can't deviate from God's divine knowledge (since it is impossible by definition), so I cannot choose anything different than that which God has already forseen. Do you understand?

However, you're making my point: you think you have free will, but ultimately you are a product of forces beyond your control: your parents, your community, your school have all influenced the way you are, and all your decisions are going to be reached through a framework that you had no hand in creating. So if you were predestined to "choose" to eat cereal this morning, it is merely the illusion of free will.

There is convincing evidence, but you are not paying attention, look all around you, this is not a matter of coinsidence. all the billions of stars and millions of species only on this earth. They are all complex organisms, where did they originate from?

There is evidence, but you are not looking.

Thats funny putting the blame on others for your own ignorance or lack of knowledge, your sounding more and more like president Bush everyday. Blame the democrats.

Then who the else would controll you?

yes you can still execute your will, if that is your intention you will do it if you have the resources to do so.

See back to square 1, you INTENDED to kill someone, God did not put a gun to your head and tell you to kill. God has the knowledge that you will do so OUT OF YOUR OWN WILL.

UNDERSTAND??

if you want to be completly free willed go live in the woods. i hear there are no parents/society/orschool there to influence you there.

you CHOSE to eat it, predestination didn't put a gun to your face and order you to eat it.

The stars arose after billions of years after the Big Bang, a natural phenomia. All the organisms arose after millions of years of evolution, another natural phenomia. Where is this God you attribute all this to? Oh yeah, he's hiding behind it all!

If I can explain it without God, adding God to the explanation does not add anything.

you skipped the part HOW the first organism came about.

how life first came about on earth.

the fact is you cannot explain life. and we already knew about the big bang, you act like this has been known throughout history YOU ONLY FOUND OUT THIS CENTURY, we knew since 632 AD.

Then I have always existed too and will always exist.

This is false, there is not strictly chemical energy there is LIFE ENERGY, not to mention thermal energy.

What happens to a baby after 120 days in the womb during development, LIFE IS PRODUCED. This life does not come about from nothing. Law of conservation tells us this: cannot be CREATED or DESTROYED.

Hence the life that you are given will be converted to another life form after you die, which is in complete accordance with religion.