KSSKIDUDE, is a really bad example because he actually knows us! He's way too biased. I mean he's actually talked with us on the phone and knows who we really are, he doesn't count. You need the opinion of someone who's really good at judging a book by it's cover or the first 3 pages.

Go with a less biased opinion. Like that of the old atheists who don't know us, have no idea how to get us, and will never get us in saying "The RRS is childish, they're not my style, they should be better."

/sarcasm

 

RD refers to putting posts on his board as "throwing it to the lions." There is almost no moderation done on his site, very free speech friendly (I like). The downside is that you're still going to have to hear how bad we (RRS) are, for on RD for sometime. From Christians posing as atheists claiming that RRS is wrong for X reason to atheists who just don't get it, when we're dealing with the sort of people that Richard draws in (very mainstream) you're gonna get a large variety.

Here at our site we're afforded more respect from those who disagree but recognize our actions are vital. Here at our site we take measures to ensure that people aren't playing characters impersonating atheists as Christians. We often find members with shady mulitple account things happening and thwart it. I was talking with RD admin the other day and we were theorizing on just how many of the "atheist haters" are actually Christians in disguise. We really have no real idea as to how many are really atheist and really against RD, RRS, etc. I'm talking about actual Christians who pose as atheists, not atheists who I'm (not) accusing of being "true atheist."

I shit you not, it's rampant. I think we'd all be amazed if we knew how many theists were logging online and impersonating atheists who dislike atheists who speak out.

The fucked up part is that the pussyfooted atheists have to deal with others being suspicious that they're Christian when you read half of their posts. I'm sure that they don't want this, and often times the suspicion is unfounded, but skeptics are skeptics.

We're moving forward slowly. And it's obvious we're moving faster with RD, RRS, and SH than we would have otherwise.

It is ironic that you posted this, we were just talking about how the comments are more positive in this thread on Dawkins than usual. Give it time, the haters will find it eventually.

In the future look forward to a really strong relationship with RD and RRS. We've become closer behind closed doors due to Hovind. (thanks CSE) We also recognize that there will be plenty of "Dawkins/RRS isn't good because of X." We have agreed to not allow our relationship to be diminished as a result of such negative talk. We see where the "old atheists" are coming from, we disagree, we're over it, we're not letting it bring us down (not until they bring a good argument to the table at least, then we'll evolve).

 

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See these applicable threads for Operation Spread Eagle: If you only read one post about this issue make make it this one!

Open letter to Youtube from Brian Sapient. Pass this video on

Post your youtube censorship or copyright infringement stories here. (also how to do a counter notice).

Kent Hovind from Jail Phone Calls

Eric Hovind writes RRS (still hasn't written back!)

Indirect hit in "Operation Spread Eagle" sablechicken was pwned. Oh also we defended her free speech and gave her a free pass on some slander.

Eddygoombah letter to CSE

 

 

Just this once, we're actually addressing the chicken shit atheists on RDF.

Check out the thread for my posts, here is Kellys most recent...

 

133. Comment #70779 by kellym78 on September 16, 2007 at 10:17 pm

--> Since I haven't weighed in here yet, this will be long. Sorry. :-/

23. Comment #70594 by Spinoza on September 16, 2007 at 8:02 am:

Idiots annoy me, and I really wish no atheists were idiots.

So then you have no interest in seeing the influence of dogmatic religious beliefs on society be eradicated, or at the very least minimized? If that is not your position, then I suggest you reconsider this statement since the majority of the population, and therefore a sizeable amount of the power in a democracy, are what you would refer to as "idiots".

But it seems more and more likely that there is a phenomenon of bandwagon atheism that The God Delusion has started... and it's not even clear that some of the "converted" even know what concepts they're disbelieving in.

As much as I admire Dawkins and his work, I would hesitate to say that TGD is what started all of this "bandwagon atheism." (disclaimer: I realize that Dawkins atheism was clear to readers of his previous works, but that was not the raison d'etre for those publications.) If anybody could be credited, it would probably be Harris since The End of Faith preceded TGD. Also, the RRS was already formed prior to the release of TGD.

35. Comment #70614 by Spinoza on September 16, 2007 at 10:01 am: You are exactly the sort of moron that makes large parts of the "Atheist Movement" (whatever the hell that is) look completely ridiculous in the eyes of most people (and it does, especially to intelligent atheists).

You are exactly the sort of uber-intellectual that makes large parts of the average population think that atheists are all egotistical snobs into whose exclusive group they would never find company. (Not to mention that "intelligent atheists" are not the ones that we are seeking to impact. It's the "idiots", as you so kindly put it, who desperately need this message.)

To make atheism a "cause" rather than simply a fact is to marginalize it a priori.

The "cause" is not atheism per se; rather, it is to reduce the influence of religious idealogies on society and to interject a supposedly taboo subject into public discourse in order to effect the trajectory of the current socio-political atmosphere while simultaneously reducing the amount of psychological, or possibly physical, harm being caused by dogmatic belief.

And yes, the truth matters, and we should make people aware of the fact that their beliefs are false...The truth does not need salesmen, it provides its own vindication.

Am I the only one who sees the contradiction here? How do we make people "aware of the fact that their beliefs are false" without what you have termed "proselytizing"? If the truth is so self-evident, why isn't every human being an atheist already? Atheism will be vindicated; unfortunately, it will be after the dissenting individuals die. Not too much help for those of us left on this planet.

36. Comment #70620 by Mitchell Gilks on September 16, 2007 at 10:29 am

After seeing the RRS for the first time on tv arguing with those fundy nuts I went to their site right afterward to complain about all the mistakes they made, but on their homepage it asked people not to send in corrections, because they had enough. They had already been fully informed of all their mistakes. Are these people really qualified to argue something that they made so many noticable mistakes on that they have to ask people to stop sending in corrections?

Brian already answered this, but I just wanted to add my own thoughts here: when was the last time you were not only in front of an audience, but being broadcast on national television? Was it comfortable for you? Was your performance utterly perfect? If not, then you should probably take that into consideration before being so quick to criticize.

37. Comment #70623 by okmichigan on September 16, 2007 at 10:48 am:
im glad im not the only one annoyed with sapient and the rrs. enough with the youtube melodrama.

If it wasn't for youtube, atheism wouldn't be getting anywhere near the attention that it has gotten (in large part due to us, but you can refuse to acknowledge that, if you like.)

45. Comment #70643 by robotaholic on September 16, 2007 at 12:29 pm:
Her attitude, voice, and face were irritating.

I hope having these videos on here doesn't degrade the reputation of this website. I'm glad Professor Richard Dawkins didn't take the blasphemy challenge.

Thank Zeus that Professor Richard Dawkins doesn't have an annoying attitude, face, or voice, because that would clearly invalidate his argumentation. It's also a relief to know that he doesn't support this group at all.

...to be continued...

Your typical poster at RD.net is exactly the type of person who has kept atheism from coming out beacuse of their elitism.  I think that's a perfect title, Brian, in calling them Elistist Atheists.  They're just "too good" for what your doing.  Too bad they've had their noses stuck in books and test-tubes too much, and have absolutely no common sense.  Not to mention, they keep their heads up their asses, and can't see much further past that. 

Most of them will never be fans of RRS, but that just means that we don't need them, and that they're not worth entertaining for too long.  They do need an answer and rebuke every now and then, but ultimately they're a long way off from being useful.

Glad to hear that you're making partnerships over there at RD.net, will make us all stronger 

I think only time will tell.  It feels like about half of the atheists out there can find reason to agree with our position on how religion and irrational thought should be addressed.  Initially our group was formed to unite just those people.   

Must be part of gods plan?  No seriously, I'm interested, how did you find us? 

Must be part of gods plan? No seriously, I'm interested, how did you find us?

 

I can tell you how I found you, but it might not be that exciting until near the end.

 

I became interested in learning more about evolution, so I took a class on it, looked into a few books about it, and discovered Richard Dawkins. I then discovered he was on YouTube and TED. I then became enchanted by his militant atheism. I then started clicking on all possible related links (excluding Gisburne who I was already aware of) and eventually came across Penn Jillette taking the Blasphemy Challenge, which was awesome. From there, I stumbled onto the television interview with Brian and Kelly.

 

And then there was a motorcycle chase!

 

Check out the comments on this thread. Some of the naysayers are just ridiculous. Many people are standing up for RRS, but I felt I had something worth saying:

 

Thanks, Archeopteryx. I've put up a few more posts. Consider this a bump.