Let's worship the guy who started atheism, okay?

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Let's worship the guy who started atheism, okay?

I was in a the Reason vs. Faith Stickam room and this conversation ensued with a friend on msn. The guy who started atheism? WTF.

XXXX says:
so whatcha doin?
Kat says:
surfin
Kat says:
in a chatroom
Kat says:
with soome atheist talk show hosts
XXXX says:
atheism is the dumbest religion
XXXX says:
it is a religion!
Kat says:
*rolls eyes* no it isnt LOL
XXXX says:
yes it is....
Kat says:
how????
XXXX says:
anything that sets morals and guidelines for other people is
Kat says:
it doesnt set any morals or guidelines.....
XXXX says:
its for people who are too stupid to live their own lives
XXXX says:
yes it does
Kat says:
no it doesnt
XXXX says:
"WE dont believe in god" "we are the most advanced people in the universe" etc
Kat says:
it only means you don't believe in god
Kat says:
"we are the most advanced people in the universe"?? who says that?
XXXX says:
which is SOMEONE ELSES believes
Kat says:
huuuh?
XXXX says:
making it a religion and you just a follower
Kat says:
so you believe in god then?
XXXX says:
no
XXXX says:
im agnostic
Kat says:
then BY DEFINITION you are an atheist
XXXX says:
no
Kat says:
agnostic how though?
XXXX says:
by definition im agnostic.
XXXX says:
if and when someone can come up to me with prof of god ill believe
XXXX says:
untill then ill live on my own with out congregation of retards saying this or that
Kat says:
then you're a "weak atheist" man
XXXX says:
NO...
XXXX says:
its called agnostic
XXXX says:
go look go learn.
XXXX says:
athieism is a bad religion lol
Kat says:
i have....
Kat says:
how is it a religion? That's insane
you don't believe in god.......
XXXX says:
you dont need to believe in god to make it a religion
Kat says:
the only definition of atheism is "not believing in any gods or deities"
XXXX says:
you give 500$ to the government and say we worship the sun
XXXX says:
guess what
XXXX says:
you have a religion that worships the sun
Kat says:
huuuh?
XXXX says:
you can MAKE your own religion..
Kat says:
ok... so?
Kat says:
O_O
XXXX says:
nevermind
XXXX says:
now go look up what agnostic means
Kat says:
well YOU brought it up
XXXX says:
yes but youre not listening and youre telling me im wrong.
Kat says:
you're not listening and you're telling me I'm wrong
XXXX says:
agnostic =/= atheist
XXXX says:
atheist rly is like a cult rawr we dont believe in god rawr we believe what this 1 guy says instead still a religious movement.
Kat says:
which one guy?
Kat says:
who is this mythical one guy???
XXXX says:
the guy who started atheism
Kat says:
I don't believe in god.... not because someone told me to
Kat says:
who started atheism then?
XXXX says:
k you know what i have more important things to do than argue like go bleed in my bathroom instead of over myself.
Kat says:
ok fine
XXXX says:
sorry had to go bleed
XXXX says:
http://humanum.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/humftp/E-text/Russell/agnostic.htm
XXXX says:
thats why im not atheist
XXXX says:
/poke
Kat says:
ok thats bertrand russells take on agnosticism
XXXX says:
who is? some like famous theorist or something?
Kat says:
yes you don't know Bertrand Russell?
XXXX says:
want the wikipedia one?
XXXX says:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism
Kat says:
ok, by that sites description you are THIS
Agnostic atheism—the view of those who do not know of the existence or nonexistence of god(s), and do not believe in god(s).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism
XXXX says:
atheist believe there is NO god
XXXX says:
no higher form of life
Kat says:
you do not believe in god, thats what you said
XXXX says:
they do protests at churches
Kat says:
who does that?
XXXX says:
agnostics dont believe in god because of lack of proof show proof of god ill be christian tomorrow
XXXX says:
least im not closed minded?
Kat says:
but if you showed an atheist proof then theyd believe too
Kat says:
proof is proof
XXXX says:
nah
Kat says:
if you showed rock hard proof you could make a mormon into a wiccan
XXXX says:
because its atheist beliefs there is no god or higher form of life
XXXX says:
agnostics will accept it were just here.
XXXX says:
ok wel theoretically yes you could
XXXX says:
im not saying i dont believe in god
XXXX says:
im saying im not gonna go to church and worship something that probably doesnt exist
XXXX says:
that guy does exsist he can come tap me on the shoulder and say hi ill apollogize for lack of "faith" which is also part of it
XXXX says:
faith= blind, ignorrance and inability to work and accomplish alone
Kat says:
i agree with that definition of faith
who says atheists wouldnt?
XXXX says:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism
XXXX says:
kinda different? hard to explain?
Kat says:
"In recent years, some atheists have adopted the terms strong and weak atheism to clarify whether they consider their stance one of positive belief no gods exist, or of negative unbelief.[10]"
Kat says:
see
XXXX says:
atheist wont ever believe in a god or higher power
XXXX says:
even if shown proof
Kat says:
"However, others—including most atheistic philosophers and groups—define atheism as the simple absence of belief in deities[5][6][7] (cf. nontheism), thereby designating many agnostics, and people who have never heard of gods, such as the unchurched or newborn children, as atheists as well."
Kat says:
what? thats retarded
Kat says:
you're saying an atheist if shown actual factual proof would just put their fingers in their ears and be all lalalalalal i don't believe?
XXXX says:
thats what atheism is built on
Kat says:
no it isnt
XXXX says:
Atheism is the disbelief[1] in the existence of a god and other deities.[2] It is commonly defined as the positive denial of theism (ie. the assertion that deities do not exist),[3] or the deliberate rejection of theism (i.e., the refusal to believe in the existence of deities)
XXXX says:
thats the WHOLE basis of atheism
Kat says:
"However, others—including most atheistic philosophers and groups—define atheism as the simple absence of belief in deities[5][6][7] (cf. nontheism), thereby designating many agnostics, and people who have never heard of gods, such as the unchurched or newborn children, as atheists as well."
XXXX says:
the refusal to belive in the existance of deities
Kat says:
simple absence of belief in deities... and a lot of atheists who DISBELIEVE ...well the only reason they actively disbelieve is because of lack of evidence
XXXX says:
because im uncertain to what happens when i die etc and such doesnt make me atheist if thats what youre trying to say
Kat says:
you don't believe in god therefore you are an atheist
XXXX says:
theyre too close minded blinded by the there is no god
XXXX says:
i used to think i was atheist but it didnt quite match what i thought

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Then we decided to pull it down a notch and talk about Final Fantasy and video game systems. *sigh*


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XXXX says:

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XXXX says:
i used to think i was atheist but it didnt quite match what i thought

The first four words of this sentence speak the truth for this guy.
Why don't you invite him here?

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(sigh) I get so tired of

(sigh)

I get so tired of forming sentences and watching helplessly as they float off into the ether, having made no impact on the universe whatsoever.

I know why "atheism" is constantly misrepresented. It's because even allowing the proper definition is a threat to theism.

They know, too... the ones who misrepresent us. It's so frustrating.

Atheism isn't a lot like religion at all. Unless by "religion" you mean "not religion". --Ciarin

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Ophios wrote: The first four

Ophios wrote:

The first four words of this sentence speak the truth for this guy.
Why don't you invite him here?

The fact is, he doesn't really care about religion. I doubt he'd come here. He hangs out with one of my other friends who disagrees with the RRS. One of the people who thinks "The RRS is just as bad as religion because they're preaching to people just like religion."
A radical agnostic....
They're both weak atheists but disagree over terminology, and they don't disagree with religion enough to speak out.
I honestly used to feel that way. But after SO many religious people telling me I must believe, or I must be a bad person, etc. I just can't sit back and shrug like that. Oh well. To each his own.


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Quote:They're both weak

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They're both weak atheists but disagree over terminology, and they don't disagree with religion enough to speak out.

Yeah. There's a lot of that going around.

Religion gets a cultural free pass. If you criticize religion, you're attacked, so it is very easy to hide behind the "I don't care enough to speak out" motto.

The thing is, there are also a lot of people who just haven't thought about it enough to know that there's something wrong with theist belief systems -- that it does cause harm.

It would be funny if it weren't so sad... that so many people who aren't religious are turned off by outspoken atheists simply because they have never questioned the double standard.

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GlamourKat wrote: One of the

GlamourKat wrote:
One of the people who thinks "The RRS is just as bad as religion because they're preaching to people just like religion."

That is what we get accused of doing from time to time. Actually, we are quite different; religion tell's one what to believe, we teach people how to think. Once you know how to think, Atheism is the rational conclusion.

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. - Seneca