CA college students ban the Pledge of Allegiance

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CA college students ban the Pledge of Allegiance

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061110/us_nm/life_pledge_dc

Students at Calif. College ban Pledge of Allegiance By Dan Whitcomb
Thu Nov 9, 8:42 PM ET

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Student leaders at a California college have touched off a furor by banning the Pledge of Allegiance at their meetings, saying they see no reason to publicly swear loyalty to God and the U.S. government.

The move by Orange Coast College student trustees, the latest clash over patriotism and religion in American schools, has infuriated some of their classmates -- prompting one young woman to loudly recite the pledge in front of the board on Wednesday night in defiance of the rule.

"America is the one thing I'm passionate about and I can't let them take that away from me," 18-year-old political science major Christine Zoldos told Reuters.

"The fact that they have enough power to ban one of the most valued traditions in America is just horrible," Zoldos said, adding she would attend every board meeting to salute the flag.

The move was lead by three recently elected student trustees, who ran for office wearing revolutionary-style berets and said they do not believe in publicly swearing an oath to the American flag and government at their school. One student trustee voted against the measure, which does not apply to other student groups or campus meetings.

The ban follows a 2002 ruling by a federal appeals court in San Francisco that said forcing school children to recite the pledge was unconstitutional because of the phrase "under God." The U.S. Supreme Court struck down the ruling on procedural grounds but left the door open for another challenge.

"That ('under God') part is sort of offensive to me," student trustee Jason Bell, who proposed the ban, told Reuters. "I am an atheist and a socialist, and if you know your history, you know that 'under God' was inserted during the McCarthy era and was directly designed to destroy my ideology."

Bell said the ban largely came about because the trustees didn't want to publicly vow loyalty to the American government before their meetings. "Loyalty ought to be something the government earns through performance, not through reciting a pledge," he said.

Martha Parham, a spokeswoman for the Coast Community College District, said her office had no standing on the student board and took no position on the flag salute ban.

"If their personal belief is that they don't want to say the Pledge of Allegiance, the district certainly isn't going to dictate what they do," she said.

More than 28,000 students attend the community college, located in conservative Orange County, California, south of Los Angeles.

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. - Seneca


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Good for them!

Good for them!


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Quote:"America is the one

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"America is the one thing I'm passionate about and I can't let them take that away from me," 18-year-old political science major Christine Zoldos told Reuters.

Retard Alert!
No one is taking anything away for you. You can pray or say anything you like. The student organization is no longer going to support the establishment of religion, your rights are not being infringed upon.

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I had always wondered why

I had always wondered why they make younger students recite the pledge. They get you doing this in grade school-- it's mind control. A political oath, and one of such magnitude, sounds like it belongs with being sworn into the military or something. It is not something that could even make sense to the small kids who are first taught to say it.

And it's not as if the general population has any use for it either. When, on an average day, could someone else's judgement of your 'loyalty' have any practical meaning whatsoever? Are we all going around selling national secrets or something?

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Christine Zoldos wrote:
"America is the one thing I'm passionate about and I can't let them take that away from me."

Hey, I'm so glad this girl is passionate about her country, but her anger is a tad misguided.
We don't want to take America away from her. For one, the logistics of moving the entire country would be daunting. However, moving her to another place would be quite easy.

Is it illegal to Fedex a person?


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Razorcade wrote: Is it

Razorcade wrote:

Is it illegal to Fedex a person?

I don't think so, check this out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Box_Brown


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Now that I think about it, I

Now that I think about it, I got in trouble in 2nd grade for not saying the pledge (I just didn't feel like it.)

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Randalllord wrote:No one is

Randalllord wrote:
No one is taking anything away for you. You can pray or say anything you like. The student organization is no longer going to support the establishment of religion, your rights are not being infringed upon.

I couldn't agree more. It amazes me that so many christians in this country believe that ensuring a person's right NOT to practice religion is a violation of THEIR religious freedom.

It's scary how many times I've heard the argument that legalizing same-sex marriage is a violation of a christian's first ammendment rights. They honestly see this as rational reasoning.


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I have said before,

I have said before, Christians seem to think that not allowing them to persecute is persecuting against them.

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Fedexing people

KSMB wrote:

I don't think so, check this out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Box_Brown

Great story, and you gave me an idea.
We set up a new company called PPS (people parcel service)
and our specialty is shipping fundamentalists out of this country to join their fundie brethren in the arab world for a Religious Cage Match.
Just think, fundies of the world knocking each other out of existence.
A dream worth realizing, lol.