Pope pisses muslims off.

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Pope pisses muslims off.

Muslims Express Fury Over Pope's Remarks
By SUZAN FRASER, Associated Press Writer
3 hours ago

ANKARA, Turkey - Muslims around the world expressed outrage Friday over Pope Benedict XVI's comments on Islam, with Turkey's ruling party accusing him of trying to revive the spirit of the Crusades and scores taking to the streets in protest.

Pakistan's parliament unanimously condemned the pope, and the Foreign Ministry summoned the Vatican's ambassador to express regret over the remarks.

The Vatican said the pope did not intend the remarks _ made in Germany on Tuesday during an address at a university _ to be offensive.

Benedict quoted from a book recounting a conversation between 14th century Byzantine Christian Emperor Manuel Paleologos II and a Persian scholar on the truths of Christianity and Islam.

"The emperor comes to speak about the issue of jihad, holy war," the pope said. "He said, I quote, 'Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.'"

Benedict did not explicitly agree with the statement nor repudiate it.

The comments raised tensions ahead of his planned visit to Turkey in November _ his first pilgrimage to a Muslim country.

Salih Kapusuz, a deputy leader of Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's party, said Benedict's remarks were either "the result of pitiful ignorance" about Islam and its prophet, or a deliberate distortion.

"He has a dark mentality that comes from the darkness of the Middle Ages. He is a poor thing that has not benefited from the spirit of reform in the Christian world," Kapusuz was quoted as saying by the state-owned Anatolia news agency. "It looks like an effort to revive the mentality of the Crusades."

"Benedict, the author of such unfortunate and insolent remarks, is going down in history for his words," he said. "He is going down in history in the same category as leaders such as (Adolf) Hitler and (Benito) Mussolini."

Turkey's staunchly secular opposition party also demanded that Benedict apologize to Muslims before his visit.

"The pope has thrown gasoline onto the fire ... in a world where the risk of a clash between religions is high," said Haluk Koc, deputy head of the Republican People's Party, as a small group of protesters left a black wreath in front of the Vatican's embassy in Ankara.

Lebanon's most senior Shiite Muslim cleric denounced the remarks and demanded the pope personally apologize.

"We do not accept the apology through Vatican channels ... and ask him (Benedict) to offer a personal apology _ not through his officials _ to Muslims for this false reading (of Islam)," Grand Ayatollah Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah told worshippers.

After Benedict returned to Italy on Thursday, Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi said, "It certainly wasn't the intention of the pope to carry out a deep examination of jihad (holy war) and on Muslim thought on it, much less to offend the sensibility of Muslim believers."

Lombardi insisted the pope respects Islam. Benedict wants to "cultivate an attitude of respect and dialogue toward the other religions and cultures, obviously also toward Islam," he said.

Turkey's top Islamic cleric, Ali Bardakoglu, said Lombardi's comments were not enough. "The pope himself should stand at the dais and say 'I take it all back, I was misunderstood' and apologize in order to contribute to world peace," he said.

In another development, the pope appointed Archbishop Dominique Mamberti, a French prelate with experience in the Muslim world, as the Vatican's new foreign minister.

But anger still swept across the Muslim world, with Pakistan's parliament unanimously adopting a resolution condemning the pope for making what it called "derogatory" comments about Islam and the Foreign Ministry summoning the Vatican ambassador.

The pope's words were "deeply disturbing for Muslims all over the world, and had caused great hurt and anguish," the Foreign Ministry said.

The Vatican's envoy "regretted the hurt caused to Muslims and said that the media had totally misconstrued certain historical quotes that the Pope used in his lecture," the statement said.

Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh, of the Islamic Hamas group, said the pontiff had offended Muslims everywhere and called on him to reconsider his statement. He said there would be organized protests later in the day "to express Palestinian anger."

In Iraq's Shiite Muslim-stronghold of Kufa, Sheik Salah al-Ubaidi criticized the pope during Friday prayers, saying his remarks were a second assault on Islam.

"Last year and in the same month the Danish cartoon assaulted Islam," he said, referring to a Danish newspaper's publication of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad, which triggered outrage in the Muslim world.

Indonesia, which has more Muslims than any other in the world, had no immediate response to the pope's comments, but religious groups were quick to protest, condemning the words as insensitive and damaging.

"A respected religious leader like the pope should not say such things, especially as nations across the globe are struggling to find ways to bridge differences between faiths and build understanding," said Ma'ruf Amin, a member of Indonesia Council of Clerics, the country's highest Islamic body.

Din Syamsuddin, chairman of Muhammadiyah, Indonesia's second-largest Islamic organization, also expressed disappointment but urged calm.

The head of Britain's largest Muslim body said it was disturbed by the pope's use of a 14th century passage. The Muslim Council, which represents 400 groups in Britain, said the emperor's views were "ill-informed and frankly bigoted."

"One would expect a religious leader such as the pope to act and speak with responsibility and repudiate the Byzantine emperor's views in the interests of truth and harmonious relations between the followers of Islam and Catholicism," said Muhammad Abdul Bari, the council's secretary-general.

Elsewhere, Syria's top Sunni Muslim religious authority, Sheik Ahmad Badereddine Hassoun, sent a letter to the pope that he feared the comments would worsen interfaith relations.

Later, he delivered a scathing sermon in which he denounced the remarks. "We have heard about your extremism and hate for Arabs and Muslims. Now that you have dropped the mask from your face we see its ugliness and extremist nature," he said.

In Cairo, Egypt, about 100 demonstrators gathered in an anti-Vatican protest outside the al-Azhar mosque, chanting "Oh Crusaders, oh cowards! Down with the pope!"

Dozens of lawyers in Indian-controlled Kashmir also protested, while two separatist leaders were placed under house arrest as they were planning to lead demonstrations.

Benedict, who has made the fight against growing secularism in Western society a theme of his pontificate, is expected to visit Turkey in late November. He was invited by the staunchly secularist Turkish President Ahmet Necdet Sezer, who said the invitation was part of an effort to strengthen dialogue between religions.

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From the above article, "The

From the above article, "The head of Britain's largest Muslim body said it was disturbed by the pope's use of a 14th century passage."

And the Koran was written when?

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hilarious

Is anybody truly that surprised that a former "hitler youth" gets controversial?

what's truly funny is the idea that mr. pope thought quoting a passage calling the ideology of muhammed evil wouldn't incite outrage.

Let the religious worldwar continue!

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Did you know before he

Did you know before he became pope he was in charge of a branch of the church (forget the exact name) that was originally the Inquisition?

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inquisition

I was aware of that. His job was essentially a doctrine watcher, i.e. making sure the representatives of the RCC stayed within the confines of holy writ. It's been said he was quite vociferous in his role.

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Does anybody else think it's

Does anybody else think it's ironic that the Catholic Church was suggesting it's mythology was of original design?

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Good point. There isn't much

Good point. There isn't much new to the Bible that isn't evil! Laughing out loud


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I think its ironic the pope

I think its ironic the pope is talking about what muslims do. More like what christians dont let happen that could save people


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Now it's out that he's upset

Now it's out that he's upset that Moslems are angry. He's surprised??!!??? Shocked Puzzled Jawdropping!


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I've been getting mized

I've been getting mized reports that the pope is apologizing/going to. My question is why? Who cares what they think? They have proven themselves to be barely human in their treatment of each other and others.

Though it is ironic that he might apologize, wouldnt a crusade be easier than having the avatar of ywhw apologize to a bunch of heathens? Eye-wink


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Perhaps the pope simply

Perhaps the pope simply misunderstood the purpose of the invitation....

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[The pope] was invited by the staunchly secularist Turkish President Ahmet Necdet Sezer, who said the invitation was part of an effort to strengthen dialogue between religions.

Perhaps the pope mistakenly thought that invitation meant, Sezer wanted strong dialoque between religons? Smiling (just kidding)

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Kelreth wrote:I've been

Kelreth wrote:
I've been getting mized reports that the pope is apologizing/going to. My question is why?

For the same reason he sided with the Muslims during the cartoon affair.
If he tells them that they need to shut the fuck up and get over themselves, he'll give a green light to us evil secularists to do the same to him.

One thing that puzzles me is, if he didn't want to offend them, what the hell was he trying to accomplish by saying this?


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Love and understanding? My

Love and understanding?

My take on is that he needs to stop and think before he speaks. And what I gather from his statements is that he also need to look into the mirror a bit. Christians have done bad things too and if he is going to say all muslims are this because of some then they can probably pull the same fallacy. (thats a fallacy right? If someone knows the name or if I am mistaken can you tell me?)

Personally the pope has lost what little cred he had. Not too long ago he said violence isn't godly, I am then reminded of well the bible.


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This video is great! From

This video is great! From the godisimaginary/whygodwonthealamputees sites. It shows why the Pope has never read the Bible:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6b_vVNP4nM

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