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I'm just a layman with no real expertise, but it seems to me that if the bones are Jesus' then he didn't resurrect. So he's just this guy who said a few things,walked around a lot, got in a bit of trouble and was killed. I see no need to worship some guy.
If they aren't Jesus' bones, so what? It doesn't prove Jesus ascended to heaven.
The bones probably aren't Jimmy Hoffa's? Does that mean Hoffa was the messiah?
Just saying...
If they are his bones, then the bible is false, DISproving Christianity.
Actually, No. This 'discovery' is probably a hoax or urelated to a historical Jesus, but if it could somehow be confirmed that what was discovered was the tomb of the personage of Jesus of Nazareth, etc. it would actually spell the end of orthodox Christianity. Christians will tell you that the resurrection is the most important even in the history of Christianity. Even some liberals, like the Anglican pastor that Richard Dawkin's interview in "The Root of All Evil", state that the resurrection is fundamental and central to Christian belief.
Why? Why is lack of evidence some how evidence of Christ's divinity? Or even existence? Your reasoning is: We don't have Jesus' bones from a tomb that, according to most historians and apologists, isn't even in the proper geographic location, and that proves Jesus actually resurrected and sits at the right hand of an invisible God. That is both illogical and intellectually dishonest.
Don't you get it? As a Christian, you DON'T want these bones to be Jesus' - that would prove that Jesus never resurrected, that he is not God and Christianity is, in fact, a myth ... how is it that you do not know the basic tenets of your faith?
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Awe ... you two beat me to it ...
I have to agree with the two responses above. But I'm a little confused about what you're saying. If they are Jesus' bones, than Christianity is proven. If they're not his bones, than Chrisitianity is proven. Huh. Doesn't really make sense, now does it.
If god takes life he's an indian giver
I'm just replying to keep this on the top of the 'Active Discussions' list so more people can challenge this type of thinking ...
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It makes perfect sense. If you assume a priori that christianity is true, the facts have to accommodate christianity, no matter which way the evidence falls.
How does this not make sense to you, you silly rationalist.
There are no theists on operating tables.
It's "Al Capone's Vault" all over again, sans Geraldo Rivera.
No more than that goof that "claims" he's found the remains of noah's ark.
If you mean, one step closer to being proven irrefutably bunk, then yes. If you mean otherwise, you need to go back to bible school.
Oh it does, does it? So, by your logic, anytime someone claims to have found evidence of the life of jesus, and is shown to be a fraud, that proves that jesus was a god? You're serious?
This may be the stupidest post I've ever read on this site. Admittedly, however, I've only been here a few weeks. Oh, this is the "Kill 'Em With Kindness" thread. Sorry.
"The powerful have always created false images of the weak."
See, none of you people know how to think like a Christian. Luckily for you, I was an apologist when I knew everything (You know, when I was sixteen) so I can help you with this. Here's the right answer to any of the possible scenarios:
1) The bones really are Jesus. DNA tests prove conclusively (how that could happen, I don't know, but that's why I'm not a geneticist, right?) that this is a man who was named Jesus, and who was crucified by the Romans after preaching for three years, yada yada...
Christian Answer: Jesus was resurrected with his new, perfected, heaven body, and had no use for the earth one any more. When he appeared to Thomas, he used magic to bring back the wounds so that Thomas could poke him in the side.
2) It's not Jesus. Conclusively
Christian Answer: Well, duh. Nobody will ever find Jesus, because he's living in heaven with the heavenly boo-machine and Sky-Daddy, until he comes back to take me with him so I can praise him forever and ever.
3) No conclusive evidence whatsoever
Christian Answer: This is yet another example of why faith is necessary, and it proves how much God loves us, that he would give us this test to see if we really love him, so he can decide whether to burn us forever.
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I sending this to fundies say the darndest things DOT com (www.fstdt.com) right now.
so if we find an average guy named Jesus, evolution is disproved?
W T F ?
MR. LEMUR, WHERE ARE YOU!?!
*Head asplode*
Man, that's too cruel.
LOL! But funny!
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how is this any different to when they found the ark, or something about a line of Egyptian artifacts in some sea, proving the exodus? And then there are the multiple other graves of jesus......ohhh what else have they claimed as proof but never proved??...
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haha, i had a good laugh with this one. my friends in school wouldnt stop talking about that this newly found tomb shows i am wrong and they are right. i had to go as far to get their youth pastor to tell them it would have been disproving christianity if it were to be real(which unfortunately i expect it wont be, the guy who found it seems full of crap)
I think a lot of the major points were made but this is my list.
The same topic. You'll find more responses to this 'revelation.'
Rook ways in. (its at the bottem of the page)
congrats!
I posted a comment on that site.
My name is Mike on there.
while this is all amusing, please show me scriptural refrences to where the Bible tells that Jesus did or did not leave his physical body. this is why my original statement is still true to this day.
Psalms 74:10
When he challenged Thomas to put his fingers in his holes? Maybe you can tell me whether that was or wasn't his body
There are no theists on operating tables.
on top of the scene with thomas, the tomb was also empty.
Luke 4: 2 and 3: 2They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus.
then you've got verse 12: 12Peter, however, got up and ran to the tomb. Bending over, he saw the strips of linen lying by themselves, and he went away, wondering to himself what had happened.
so, what? did he come again later and put his bones back? did he keep his body in storage and then put it back in the tomb after the fuss had died down? or was the bible fibbing, and the body was there all along?
Rill
Sure he did! Just to mix it up a bit. I mean, after all, this is god we're talking about...
There are no theists on operating tables.
(The bones of Christ....sorta makes you wonder how much faith you have to have to believe in atheism and Darwin huh?)
Atheists are not necessarily Jesus mysticists. I for one, am not. And explain what you mean "believe in atheism" when atheism is merely a denial of someone else's idiotic assertion. And what do you mean faith in Darwin. Faith implies lack of evidence. As an evolutionary scientist who has seen the evidence under a microscope, I can tell you that is retarded.
If those are his bones, it would go to prove Christianity one step closer.
Not really. All it proves is that he was not resurrected. Christianity will be ripped asunder.
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I don't know why you guys are thinking l.mcbryar is an idiot. The logic is really clear here. Rook is wrong about Jesus, therefore Christianity is true. If you think this contradicts what the Bible says, you just are reading it out of context.
It's so clear now l.mcbryar! If this Jesus's bones things pans out, I'm going to have to reconvert back to being a Christian!
Ummmmmm,
False Dicotomy!!
How does this prove anything about God. How does this prove he is the son of God?? It would just prove that this MAN Jesus existed about 2000 years ago. Let me go dig up my grandpa. Wow, God does exist. This line of reasong in so ridiculous.
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