Half the British think that religion is harmful, according to a poll, in the Times news papper

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Half the British think that religion is harmful, according to a poll, in the Times news papper

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2368534.ece

EARLY half the British think that religion is harmful, according to a poll carried out by YouGov. Yet more than half also believe in God “or something”.

The YouGov poll commissioned by John Humphrys, the broadcaster and writer, found that 42% of the 2,200 people taking part considered religion had a harmful effect.

“One reason might be the publicity attracted by a handful of mad mullahs and their hate-filled rhetoric,” writes Humphrys in his new book, In God We Doubt, an extract of which appears in today’s Sunday Times News Review.

Only 16% of those polled called themselves atheists; 28% believed in God; 26% believed in “something” but were not sure what; and 9% regarded themselves as agnostics - like Humphrys himself, who had a religious upbringing in Wales but calls himself a “doubter”.


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More evidence Western Europe

More evidence Western Europe is much more rational than the US.


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So half of them believe in


So half of them believe in a god, and the other half think that the first half are dangerous...

Sounds like the UK is gonna be an interesting place to live in the coming years. 


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As a Brit this really

As a Brit this really scares me 50% of Brits do NOT think religion is dangerous.

 

Most Brits believe in 'something' usually their football team (proper football not american rubbish)

Watford FC!!!


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That's not surprising

That's not surprising actually considering the political instablity in Ireland.


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While in the States 67%

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What's the fallacy where

What's the fallacy where alot of people believe it so it must be right?


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wavefreak wrote: What's the

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What's the fallacy where alot of people believe it so it must be right?

 

Argument by popularity? I think that's it, everyone I know calls it that.  


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Yeah

Yeah

Argumentum ad popularum, I think, is the proper name.

There are a couple of similar fallacies:

Argumentum ad numerum: this is the probability version of popularum. This is essentially "It's more likely if more people believe it."

Argumentum ad antiquitatem: Since it's been this way for a long time, it's true.

Interestingly, there's another one that's relevant to this discussion. The Red Herring. This is where someone introduces something into the conversation that has not previously been introduced, for the purpose of diverting from the actual issue.

For instance, someone might begin arguing against the conclusion that religion must be wrong since lots of Brits believe it is, when the OP had not actually stated that conclusion, nor given any indication that he was going to!

 [edit: proving to myself once again that memory is the first thing to go... after doing the actual research, I've discovered that it's Argumentum ad populum]

 

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P.S. I know you weren't

P.S. I know you weren't intentionally doing a red herring, wave.  At least I don't think you were.  I was just introducing it since your statement could easily deflect the whole conversation, and readers might well think that's what the discussion had been about. 

Just hambydammit being a bit pedantic.  Pay it no mind.

 

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Hambydammit wrote: For

Hambydammit wrote:

For instance, someone might begin arguing against the conclusion that religion must be wrong since lots of Brits believe it is, when the OP had not actually stated that conclusion, nor given any indication that he was going to! 

 

Forgive my skepticism, but I don't think wave jumped the gun on that. 


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Did you even read my follow

Did you even read my follow up post?

 

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Cpt_pineapple wrote: That's

Cpt_pineapple wrote:
That's not surprising actually considering the political instablity in Ireland.

 

Actually its 2000 years of catholics and protestants killing each other.

 When I did British history it went along the lines of

Catholics in power,they burn prots as heretics

Prots in power then burn Catholics as heretics

 

Just about every school kid is aware the 'state' religion the Church of England was created so Henry VIII could get a divorce without Rome.

So its not suprising we are cynical about it


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Hambydammit wrote: Did you

Hambydammit wrote:

Did you even read my follow up post?

 

 

You said pay it no mind >__>

 

Quote:

Actually its 2000 years of catholics and protestants killing each other.

 

You do realize Ireland is demanding independance right?

 

Quote:
 

 When I did British history it went along the lines of

Catholics in power,they burn prots as heretics

Prots in power then burn Catholics as heretics

 

 

Seriously, don't get me started on stuff like this.


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Quote: Seriously, don't get

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Seriously, don't get me started on stuff like this.

I second that.  Seriously, don't get him started.

 

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Strange I remember Ireland

Strange I remember Ireland was independent?


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mrjonno wrote: As a Brit

mrjonno wrote:

As a Brit this really scares me 50% of Brits do NOT think religion is dangerous.

 

Most Brits believe in 'something' usually their football team (proper football not american rubbish)

Watford FC!!!

At the risk of derailing this thread to a fellow heathen atheist, WTF are you calling rubbish? "Whats with all the pads" crap soccer fans gripe about. As skinny as soccer players are even with pads on, I doubt very seriously they could handle hit after hit after hit after hit from someone like Larence Taylor or Ray Lois. And I doubt they could tackle the likes of John Riggins(in his prime). Pads dont make whimp.

 

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mrjonno wrote: Most Brits

mrjonno wrote:

Most Brits believe in 'something' usually their football team (proper football not american rubbish)

Yes proper football, meaning Australian Rules Football. 

 

Just kidding. Over here that's what football means. For a long time I was irritated by people calling soccer football until I realised that it probably had that name long before the silly game played down under and since Australian Rules relies heavily on the use of the hands soccer probably has more claim to the term football.

 

Oh, a lesson in not changing history from Mr. I'm-My-Own-Grandpa!