possible proof of the old testament

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possible proof of the old testament

i found this interesting article on the news , and it might provide proof of the old testament as being legit im posting it for all to review please let me know what you think.   god bless....  pat

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/11/ntablet111.xml&CMP=ILC-mostviewedbox


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Sadly, a fragment that

Sadly, a fragment that shows one person mentioned in the old testament may have existed does not make the whole collection of books true.

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Well, assuming this verifies

Well, assuming this verifies the existence an actual person in the OT, at most you can say that it anchors a piece of the OT into historical accounts. It does not allow us to conclude that the OT is accurate in all respects.


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Yeah, not really a huge

Yeah, not really a huge discovery. 


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Jarem Asyder wrote: Yeah,

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Yeah, not really a huge discovery.

 

Archeologically, this is pretty big. Verifying a specific person across multiple ancient texts is an academic orgasm. But it doesn't prove the existence of god or the truth of the bible.


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if one person can be

if one person can be identified this accurately and 2 different texts verify that he existed in the office that he was in. it provides a strong argument that the ot my be reliable information. does this specific example show proof that god exist, it may not but at least we can say that the person who wrote that book was being acurate. which may go on to state that other books are historically acurate


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pm9347 wrote: if one person

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if one person can be identified this accurately and 2 different texts verify that he existed in the office that he was in. it provides a strong argument that the ot my be reliable information. does this specific example show proof that god exist, it may not but at least we can say that the person who wrote that book was being acurate. which may go on to state that other books are historically acurate

Only if they concur with multiple aspects of the Bible as well. Did you watched "Death of a President"? George W. Bush is a real person, he's actually the president, and he rides around in a limo escorted by the secret service, just like in the movie. Does that make the movie a factual representation of the life and death of George W. Bush?

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stillmatic wrote: Only if

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Only if they concur with multiple aspects of the Bible as well. Did you watched "Death of a President"? George W. Bush is a real person, he's actually the president, and he rides around in a limo escorted by the secret service, just like in the movie. Does that make the movie a factual representation of the life and death of George W. Bush?

how is that relevant?? we have one slice of the old testament that is proven outside of biblical sources to be historical fact. there are also several other areas of the old testament that have proven by archaology (spelling?) to be possible real did anybody see the news report that they may have found roman chariot wheels in the red sea ??? or how about the old charred riuns of an area that could possible be sodom?? these event according to the bible are being proven legitmate and then we find that a small tablet actually names someone written about in the bible , once again the bible proves itself .


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uh, so?  To take something

uh, so?

 To take something so insignificant, one person existing in the old testament and in Assyrian records and to then say that the whole OT is true is a complete non sequiter. The old testament is a set of myths filled with the exaggerated history of the Jewish people, just as the Illiad and the Odessy are mythological exaggerations of Greek history.


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I am going to write a book

I am going to write a book about a internet poster named  'pm9347'.

 

The book will describe how George W. Bush married an elephant in March of 2007. It will also describe how for a short period of time in January of 2006 all of the oceans on earth became polka dotted with the neon colors deep violet and turquoise. The book will also descibe a magical toilet located in New York Central Station that grants wishes and is prophetic about the future of Katie Couric's career. Then the book will go on to describe the internet poster 'pm9347' and everything about the poster's existance will be factual.

 

Five hundred years from now they will find archived data from the internet that shows the internet poster 'pm9347' really existed. Does it make my book completely true because this person really existed.


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 BGH , i was amazed you

 BGH , i was amazed you have an incredible imagination, to write a book about my exploits with all those other things going on. i think it borders on you using hallucingentics medications. but anyway . if we have one point that is certified by history ie. the small tablet, what other facts can we find out about that specific moment in history ?? who were the other players involved my example is that if that small tablet shows that guy held the office he was appointed . then jeramiah is probably correct or factual.


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Whoop dee fucking shit.

Whoop dee fucking shit.


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pm9347 wrote:

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BGH , i was amazed you have an incredible imagination, to write a book about my exploits with all those other things going on. i think it borders on you using hallucingentics medications.

Ahhhhh, and the same can be said for the cave dwellers that wrote the bible, I am sure with some of the crazy shit in the bible they were either very high on hallucingenics or had very vivid imaginations.

I have a suggestion, actually read what other people are posting, even some theists think this fragment doen't prove anything about the bible except that some dude might have existed.

As far as I am concerned the bible is mythology, it may have some factual places or persons in it but that does not make the the whole thing truthful. You just keep dancing around this issue.


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Have you ever read any of

Have you ever read any of the Science Fiction genre known as "alternative history?" They are descriptions of a history that never happened (Such as Hitler winning WW II.) They usually include real people, events and locations, and real things actual people said. But the story as a whole is not true.

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pm9347 wrote: stillmatic

pm9347 wrote:

stillmatic wrote:

Only if they concur with multiple aspects of the Bible as well. Did you watched "Death of a President"? George W. Bush is a real person, he's actually the president, and he rides around in a limo escorted by the secret service, just like in the movie. Does that make the movie a factual representation of the life and death of George W. Bush?

how is that relevant?? we have one slice of the old testament that is proven outside of biblical sources to be historical fact. there are also several other areas of the old testament that have proven by archaology (spelling?) to be possible real did anybody see the news report that they may have found roman chariot wheels in the red sea ??? or how about the old charred riuns of an area that could possible be sodom?? these event according to the bible are being proven legitmate and then we find that a small tablet actually names someone written about in the bible , once again the bible proves itself .

No, you don't.  You have a tablet receipt from some guy who's name is in the bible.  There are way too many 'ifs' to even suggest that this somehow proves the OT is truth. 

The only thing that is proven by finding a chariot wheel in the red sea is that there is a chariot wheel in the red sea. I could claim that the chariot wheel got there when Adam was wrestling a great big T-Rex and he was thrown from his chariot, which went crashing into the red sea.  And my proof of this is that there is a chariot wheel in the red sea.  Get my point?

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Finding a Roman chariot in

Finding a Roman chariot in the Red sea also certainly doesn't have anything to do with the Exodus story - that was supposedly Egyptian chariots and more than a thousand years before Rome was even founded (according to the BuyBull.)

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mattshizzle , your correct i

mattshizzle , your correct i apolagize, it was an egyptian wheel they found not a roman one there is an article on it at world net daily, if you just search for wheel in the red sea you might find the same article i read. what amazes me the most with several posters on this thread is their total denail of rational facts here we find a piece of history. that is concretely undisputed factual evidence. that coincides with the biblical account , and people still deny it ever happened .what does it take for someone to believe that christ is real and the account in the bible is correct???  even josephus wrote about jesus which is once again outside of biblical accounts. there are several factual accounts and still people dont believe. how can anbody still stand up and say their rational when even the evidence undisputable is put in front of them . they still say its not true . atheism is not rational


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Whoop dee fucking

Whoop dee fucking shit???

wow you have some real brain power there dont you. it looks like you spent a long time looking into your beliefs. way to go genius.


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pm9347 wrote: mattshizzle ,

pm9347 wrote:
mattshizzle , your correct i apolagize, it was an egyptian wheel they found not a roman one there is an article on it at world net daily, if you just search for wheel in the red sea you might find the same article i read. what amazes me the most with several posters on this thread is their total denail of rational facts here we find a piece of history. that is concretely undisputed factual evidence. that coincides with the biblical account , and people still deny it ever happened .what does it take for someone to believe that christ is real and the account in the bible is correct???  even josephus wrote about jesus which is once again outside of biblical accounts. there are several factual accounts and still people dont believe. how can anbody still stand up and say their rational when even the evidence undisputable is put in front of them . they still say its not true . atheism is not rational

I'm not denying the fact that an artifact was found.  However, just because the name matches a name in the bible doesn't make the OT true.  It doesn't make god real and it doesn't prove that Jesus was the son of god. 

Do you know who wrote the bible?  There have been so many authors and variations that its impossible to know.  I'm saying this doesn't prove the OT is true. I can't make the jump across such a wide gap. There is not enough correlation. 

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pm9347 wrote: mattshizzle ,

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mattshizzle , your correct i apolagize, it was an egyptian wheel they found not a roman one there is an article on it at world net daily, if you just search for wheel in the red sea you might find the same article i read. what amazes me the most with several posters on this thread is their total denail of rational facts here we find a piece of history. that is concretely undisputed factual evidence. that coincides with the biblical account , and people still deny it ever happened .what does it take for someone to believe that christ is real and the account in the bible is correct???  even josephus wrote about jesus which is once again outside of biblical accounts. there are several factual accounts and still people dont believe. how can anbody still stand up and say their rational when even the evidence undisputable is put in front of them . they still say its not true . atheism is not rational

 Unfortunately you still don't seem to understand how evidence and critical thinking works, which explains to me why you are a theist. Hopefully one day you'll figure out why finding the name of a historical figure in a document outside the bible is only proof towards the fact that the historical figure might have been a real person.

As to your claim about Josephus, you should read this..

http://www.rationalresponders.com/a_silence_that_screams_no_contemporary_historical_accounts_for_jesus

Just to summarize, before 400 AD Christians never cited that passage in the Testimonium when trying to provide evidence for a historical Jesus. This points to the fact that some time after 400 AD that passage was changed by Christians.

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